watch this vid.


Mason's are wierd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

LOL, Masons aren't weird. It's just a frat boy organization, just like the Kiwanas, Lions, Jaycees, or Toastmasters. People make a big deal out of things they don't know about, because they don't belong.

C'mon, this guy had a great sense of humor, you have to give him some kudos. That guy is funny, and he's not lucifer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9RzLqKu2g

I' ve watched it several times and it might be fake. not sure.

That man was messing with whoever was interviewing him. Old guys do have a sense of humor, and they don't put up with shenanigans, watch the video again.

Or better yet, what does lucifer mean ? Who is satan ? he was created by God, yet some believe that God doesn't create any evil. Well, God created everything to make us better, to allow us to strive to be better children.

I'll let you in on a little something, worry about you're doing, and not with what the world is doing. Life is a journey, and there isn't anything to worry about, when you concern yourself with God. We all enjoy entertainment, and we like to see meltdowns and greatness.

Matthew 16:26 : For what is a man profited, if he should gain the whole world, and lose his own soul ? or what shall a man give in exchage for his soul ?

The same could be said of the man interviewing the elderly gentleman, what is his purpose ? What is he trying to prove ? Can the interviewer save the elderly man ? I think you know the answer to that. Some people just like to bark, and I agree, I'm one of the people that likes to bark.

Can' t agree with that.

What can't you agree on.....??

the whole "worry about what you're doing, not what the world is doing" thing....no that type of "do nothing" approach is why the world is in the shape it is in.

Unless i miss understood what he meant by that.


Also I thought Lucifer was the name given to one of the angels. I'm not sure if angels have free will but I always thought he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. After the fall he was refered to as Satan.

I'll explain. What does the world have to do with you ? John 15 is what I was referring to, please read the entire chapter. Verse 19 states : "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therfore the world hateth you."

lucifer was cast from heaven, and angels have free will, read the Book of Job. God does gamble, because he knew Job, and God knew the son of the morning better. Think about the afflictions that God allowed lucifer to bring about on Job. God loved Job, and Job loved God. God allowed for all of Job's children to die, He allowed for all of Jobs flocks and fields to be laid to waste, God allowed for Job to come down with boils and every aspect of human affliction you can think of, even Job's wife and friends turned against him. Job's wife told him Job 2:9 "Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity ? curse God, and die." His own wife said those words to Job. Job somewhat did by cursing the day that he was born, but he was in extreme pain. His faith never wavered however, and he was blessed not just on earth, but in the world to come.

Yesterday, you posted a video with someone questioning someone's faith in Jesus Christ or masonry, or if they were lucifer. I found it funny. I've known many people that are Masons, and they have been good people. Some are great people. There are some that aren't great people.

lucifer was cast out, and it is around halloween, and people get spooked out because the days are growing shorter or what not.

I'll tell you this, put faith in God, and everything won't be Great on this earth, but it will be in the world to come.

yeah and in romans it says not to be of this world but be transformed. i been transformed....


God has a plan/design for everyones life. His will for my life is to take action not sit back. I thought you were implying Christians not participate in matters concerning the world. my bad.


That being said I found this video and thought it was creepy.

There are battles to fight, but to expect the world to conform to what God wants us to be, and what people think God wants people to be are totally different.

I'll agree that God has a plan for us all, but God gives even His angels the right to rebel against Him. God even allowed for satan to tempt His only begotten Son, many times. It wasn't just when Jesus Christ was fasting. satan tempted Jesus Christ, even when He was on the cross. Jesus Christ had the choice to choose either His Fathers will or that of lucifer. That is why I am eternally grateful.

However to think that we all have a destiny, or that we are chained to either follow satan or Jesus Christ is far from the truth. We are very similar to sheep, prodigal son's, rich men, poor men, good samaritans, and hypocrites. God knew we would be carnal, sensual, devilish, and every gamut of the flesh.

I'm not really worried about it. I keep up with the world, but I'm not going to go crazy about what the world is doing. When the time comes, and it will, I know where I will be. I won't be sitting on a fence post.

If I have to join a club and be all secrative to be anybodys buddy I do not really want to be your buddy.
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About the video
Albert Pike said the same thing about how Lucifer is the real god so the old man might be telling what he believes.

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They (Albert Pike, Albert Mackey, J. D. Buck, Daniel Sickles and others) teach that Masonry is a revival of the Ancient Mysteries (the mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Rome and Greece).

http://watch.pair.com/symbol.html

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The Masonic Jesus
The central question that every Christian Mason must ask himself is "Who is Jesus Christ according to the Lodge?" Earlier we saw that Albert Pike was greatly influenced by the occult and that he was responsible for the rewriting of the rituals for all the degree work beyond that of Master Mason.

Because of Pike's influence, Freemasonry has adopted a universalist approach toward divinity. According to Jim Shaw, a 33rd degree Mason who left the Lodge, Masonry teaches that "Jesus was just a man. He was one of the exemplars,' one of the great men of the past, but not divine and certainly not the only means of redemption of lost mankind. He was on a level with other great men of the past like Aristotle, Plato, Pythagoras and Mohammed. His life and legend were no different from that of Krishna, the Hindu god. He is the son of Joseph,' not the Son of God."(18)

Jesus Christ is not to be looked upon as God incarnate, or as the Savior of humanity, but He is to be considered as no different than any other great spiritual leader or guru. To follow through with this conclusion, the Lodge does not permit the name of Jesus or Christ to be used in any of its prayers or rituals.



As an example, when Scripture is used in rituals the name of Jesus or Christ is omitted lest it offend someone. In essence, the Lodge has rewritten Scripture to suit its own end. The Bible is clear in its warning that God's Word is not to be changed or tampered with. Deuteronomy 4:2 says, "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it."

Masonic prayers are not to include the name of Jesus Christ, but they are to refer to the Great Architect of the Universe. The Maryland Master Mason magazine offered this statement concerning prayer in the Lodge: "All prayers in Mason lodges should be directed to the one deity to whom all Masons refer to as the Grand Architect of the Universe."(19)

For the Christian, this idea should cause some real concern. The Bible is clear regarding what Jesus says to those who are ashamed of the Son. "Everyone therefore who shall confess Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven."(20)

The biblical Jesus does not allow for the bias of Freemasonry when it comes to receiving His proper place of reverence and worship. In short, Jesus does not seem to be as tolerant as the Mason when it comes to His divine authority.

The Bible gives us further instruction regarding our response to the Christian faith. "And Jesus came up to them, saying, All authority has been given me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you'" (Matt. 28: 18-20). The Mason is thus faced with the choice of whom he will serve: Jesus, the Savior of his soul, or the tolerant god of Freemasonry who leads him to destruction.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/masonry.html

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I believe it is better not to be a mason if one is a believer in Jesus The Christ.

I'm not a mason, but I realize that lucifer is the god of this world. he controls many things. Let me remind everyone that I refuse to capitalize many things, such as lucifer, satan, baal, beezelbub, god (However, when I speak of God, I do capitalize), I don't capitalize the various gods of many religions.

Why don't we all admit that this whole fervor is over Dan Brown's new book ? "The Lost Symbol" . The masons and many other faiths have about as much control over what you believe as a stick in the mud. Even lucifer doesn't have that much control, because God has given us more gifts, than we realize. We need to appreciate what God has given us. Sometimes we need to quit listening to this carnal flesh that surrounds our soul.

I know I need to work on that.

I know that I believe everything that I see on youtube... It is the word.. pfft.

You're Right. It's more than just youtube, newspapers, websites, etc. . I have to agree, it is Jesus Christ, who is the Word. We're all human, and we have all fallen short. One thing I do know, there is repentence.

The Discovery Channel had a long documentary on today discussing the history and myths of the Masons. If you want to know more check your local listings for when they will show it again.

It's a bunch of frat boys raising money for childrens hospitals and driving go-carts. It's not as secret as it used to be.

A literal translation of Lucifer means bringer of light.

The most beautiful creature that God created.......he even had music built into him.

Good ole Johnny beat him fair and square. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dTelwkDdBc I like this as well.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0QKbnCDW94 .

I give my Grandmother a hard time for having the name Lucy. It also means bringer of light, and is derived from the same Latin roots.lol

Isn't the word luck derived from lucifer?

I found an etymology website on the internet. It said the root of luck is unknown.

I would say it is a definant possibility.

I heard a man who was living a very blessed life tell me this one time. "I aint lucky I am blessed luck comes from lucifer" I thought that was an interesting saying and at times say it myself. As for luck being derived from lucifer that may be a stretch but I do think thier is a difference between saying good luck and God Bless. Just a lil IMO, so with my opinion and 10 cents you can but a piece of grape bubble gum.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/seri...3.30553.31418.x

Well, I've never been lucky. I've never expected luck. I've never sought after it. I've always felt that solid decisions made a man. There's always a fork in the road to take, and I go back and look at one's that have brought me happiness, and those that have brought me grief. It's always been when I've rejected the Lord, that brought me grief.

I don't have anything bad to say about Masons, except they like to help children, and ride go carts. Masons aren't evil people, and there was a group in Atlanta that just had their go carts stolen. http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=11387709 .

I think people will always try to put down things that they don't understand. I know many of our Presidents have been Masons, but I've researched it, and they're just a bunch of good guys that try to help people. I don't have any beef with them.

Yeah, they're a little weird, and if I hadn't put on an old album I might have never thought about this song : "Shriner's Convention" - Ray Stevens : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRC2fdDVMiI

There is nothing weird about Masons, Freemasonry, or Masonic Lodges. Sometimes we misinterpret what we do not understand.

Join the bunch and learn more about the order. There is a strong possibility you might like what you find.

ha ha never man.....never.

I agree that we misinterpret what we do not understand. but Your not gonna be able to produce many people on here to join...

and I think the old guy is messing with the cameraman.....