How much do yall know about this guy? Just discovered him today thanks to AJ.

Over the past 2 years he has made some predictions that have come true. Not saying he is a prophet, just that he has a keen sense about things. And I think he has alot of "inside" info.

right now he is predicting hyper inflation over the next 2 years to the point of America's basic destruction. And he is talking about world war 3, satanic elitists, communism in the US.

Give me his website... I typed a case on some type of "prophet" like this before... is he in New Mexico or something or another?

not sure he has a website. he is a 72 year old baptist pastor. Saw him on alex Jones today and he was talking about the next 2 years. He will be back on AJ 2 morrow to go in more depth. He was breaking everything down from a Christian viewpoint too.

i did find this series on youtube of him talking about predictions for 2009. at this point i have watched the first 2 in the series and i like it.

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ub2VAnlYM
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-iVD9_DarM

i think their are several parts to this. find the rest in the related videos side bar. actually it is a seven part series he made in 2008 covering his predictions for 2009. Everyone of them came true.


He will do 1 1/2 hour show 2morrow on Alex Jones and then he is coming back friday to take phone calls.

I can guarantee that he's not a prophet....

I Corinthians 13: 8

nobody said he was and he don't claim to be. from what i've seen so far. he just says he has "inside" sources into the elitists agenda

Boy you are BIG into this conspiracy stuff aren't you......???

Delap if you get a chance watch this movie. just him talking. it was made in mid 2008, and everything he said about 2009 was dead on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA5v9XyWJW0

yeah I started watching alex Jones and Savage nation and it all started to make since.



I don't believe in several conspiracies. They are all related.


Just as God has people on Earth that work for him and follow his will, the devil also has many that serve him. The devil has succeeded in placing these people in very strong positions of power. Our leaders and politicians answer to them. Their eventual goal is to establish a one world governance. That will eventually lead to a one world currency (mark of the beast) and a one world religion.

These things are spoken of in the Bible and they will come to pass. My goal is not to try and stop it or slow it down....just to raise awareness.

I think the globalists plan to destoy the world economy, mostly by hurting tha value of the dollar, but also by fighting endless wars. Then they plan to decrease the worlds population. All of this will be done in an attempt to make it so hard for the average man that he will beg for help from the government. The government will step in and offer him a basic form of communism. Governments will supply the jobs. Everyone will be forced into cities. Those that don't comply will be forced into work camps. many Christians will be killed because they will not serve this new master.


Yeah I guess that is a very basic view if what I think is happening.

None of these things are spoken of in the Bible....Please provide some scriptures to show me I'm wrong on that if they exist......that doesn't mean that there aren't any conspiracies.....I liked the book RULE BY SECRECY by Jim Marrs.....in fact, I like all of Mr. Marrs books.....

uhm scriptures...let me see.. how bout the entire book of Revelations.

There is where you are misinformed...the Book of Revelations was John's vision from Christ of things which "must shortly come to pass" .....NOT things which will happen in a couple of thousand years......The Book of Revelation revealed to the FIRST CENTURY Christians hope that the Kingdom would last and could not be destroyed by the Romans....It reveals to US that same hope, that God will not allow His Kingdom to be destroyed by any man made government.......The things spoken of in the Book of Revelation always seem to be occuring because it reveals how God has dealt with those who would persecute His children from the beginning of time until the Day of Judgment.....It's a wonderful book IF you know the true meaning and can grasp it's true message.........I'd really LOVE to see you show me just one scripture from the Book of Revelations that backs up anything you have stated.......Remember, when you are looking at the Word of God, it is its own commentary, so anything we study here will be taken IN THE CONTEXT of the entire Bible.....Scripture does not exist in a vacuum, it must be interpreted from other scriptures in context.......

Greezy remind me in 3 weeks to watch these. There's baseball and football being played right now. Just from what I was able to watch, things don't happen because of chance or luck. Ask anyone that plays black jack, poker, football, baseball, or runs a business. You will run into dry spells which brings the story of Joseph to my mind, but if you keep ahead of the game. Take for instance Posada, he just made a running error, that wasn't luck it was poor baserunning, and we all make mistakes. 8 times out of 10 Posada doesn't make that mistake, but he knows the fielding skill of Torii Hunter, just like now poor base running, and the umpire is an idiot !! Arrggggggg....... I'll check this out later.

Colmes, my views as a Christian can be described as Calvinistic. I believe in God's complete pre-destination of all things. I also believe in the logical, grammatical, contextual, and literal interpretation of the Bible.



The things that I spoke of being in the Bbile were One world governance, one world religion, one world currency. So lets examine those 3.


first one world currency: Revelation 13: 16-18
one world religion: Revelation 13: 11-15
one world governance: Revelation 13: 5-8

I'm probally missing the point here, but just courious, do you believe the entire book of Revelation has already happened?

An hour of my life that I can never have back.... This old dude is crazy.

All Right! We haven't had a good ol' Bible debate in a while. This should be fun.

yeah your right the old crazy guy was way off when he said oil would hit $50 a barrel. lol.

All he did was tell some bigoil business a few months before the general public was aware, not impressive to me. I have a family member that is VERY involved with bigoil, and, believe it or not, is in the oil field in Indonesia that the guy spoke of. He has also been in the Siberia (North of Russia) field. It's not like these fields just appeared over night, lots of resources, people and time went into researching these fields to see if they were going to produce. Lots of people knew that these fields were going to be going on-line late last year. This guy is nobody special, that's the point I'm trying to get at, he is just using the internet, radio and TV to tell what he knows.

AND, he said McCain would be President. He missed that one.

Calvinism is NOT taught in the Bible....it came about from the uninspired mind of a man, not the Divine Mind of God, the Father.......Revelation Chapter 13 is speaking symbolically of the Roman Empire, which was persecuting the Christians at that time....this was to show them that they would overcome and that the Empire would NOT conquer the Kingdom of Christ (His Church)......

The Book of Revelations was written for ALL Christians of ALL times....for those in the First Century, it showed them that they had no reason to fear Rome, it's false religions, nor its military.....For Christians in the following millinea, it shows that we should not fear when despotic governments and false religions rise, because the Kingdom of Christ on Earth now, His Church, will never be destroyed.......it is a message of Hope and Encouragement from God to His children......

Amen.....

I have to agree. I listened to the videos, and this guy is simply giving a run down of how businesses and governments work. The only thing different is it's in our day and age. Well guess what, these same things have been going on for a very long time. They didn't pop up over night. History has shown that there are people that are going to try to make a dollar, regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. Greezy, I tell you what, tell me about the VeriChip. Are people rushing out to have their children or animals with these chips ? Some of this stuff is off the wall.

History has a way of repeating itself. There are tried and true ways of doing things, because there is nothing new under the sun. Personally, I don't buy into luck. I don't buy into conspiracy theories.

Perhaps you should read Matthew 25, be prepared, pay your debts, help people, and stop worrying about about things that only God will bring about in His time.

I think I'll listen to this guy instead : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OniJIna__M

i prefer Matthew 24.


So here is his interview on Alex Jones Monday.

part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxBlc80Ecw0



If you don't have the time to watch it I will break it down for you. Basically he said, the Elite are operating on a 2 year timeline. During that time expect hyper-inflation. more people will be working for the government. the everyday common man will become severely poor. After 2 years their will be world war. ummm thats all i can remember from it. Oh yeah he also said gold and silver would retain its value.

They walk hand in hand with each other. We don't know when Christ is going to return. I realize that we're concerned with how the world is playing out. I'm not trying to pacify you. I realize you have concerns, and most of us do. We as people have very short lives, here on earth, and we desire for All people to have opportunities to succeed. I do love this earth, and it's a great planet to grow up on and experience.

I don't believe in destiny. I don't believe that God knows every move that I'm going to make. I know that God knows my heart, and every single hair on my body. I think He sees the potential that I can become through Him and for Him. I have never understood, why people think that they are destined for failure or for greatness. If that is the case this life is meaningless, and there isn't a need to live it through. That's an excuse for failure to me. God has given us His commandments, and there are about 600+ of them. If we're all destined to live life in a way, that is pre-destined and life is just luck, happenstance, and chaos. Why do we even need 1 commandment ? God is not all knowing, some want to say that He is, but He's not. He knows our hearts, He knows what is inside us, He knows that we can live the way we should live under Him.

I've had people come up to me, and ask me are you saved or born again ? Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour, I've been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, I'm still repenting daily. What happens if I really mess up ? I'm a human, and I still live in a carnal body of flesh. I still sin everyday, and I have to repent every day. The same thing applies to the Mason that you showed an interview for on YouTube.

Because you see, Romans Chapter 7 describes how we are. Chapter 8 describes how we are to forsake our flesh, and become sons of God. It also explains, why we delve in secular nonsense. It also shows that life is nothing, and eternity is forever. Some will say that it proves that life is dealt by fate or predestination. If that was the case, why do people try to convert others to Christianity ? There isn't a need for it, if it's all predestined. There isn't a need, that's why Peter and Paul who were human couldn't agree on certain things.

What we need to realize is we all mess up, and that God loves us. We don't all know His ways, but in time we will.

next time on my way to Savannah, i will stop in Birmingham and look you up.

Matthew 24, as you know from our previous discussions on the topic, deals with the impending destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.....

Different views in the Church on the interpretation of the book of Revelation:



1. Preterist The judgments in the book already happen at or before 70 AD. The book was written prior to 70 AD to comfort Christians persecuted by Jews and by others. This view claims the Church has been reigning on earth in the kingdom since Pentecost. The world according to the preterist will become progressively more and more Christian and will get better and better. The Church is true Israel.

2. Idealist - The book contains mostly figurative symbolism and metaphors about the spiritual battle between good and evil. There is no future physical fulfillment of the judgments in Revelation on earth. The Church is true Israel or replaces Israel and inherits all promises to divorced natural Israel.

3. Historical - The events in Revelation unfold through history - the papal system fulfills the role of the Antichrist. The Church fulfills all promises given to Israel.

4. Futurist Most of the prophecies in Revelation have a future fulfillment. Christ will come again and set up His kingdom on earth from Jerusalem for a thousand years and the establishment of this kingdom will fulfill all promises given to natural Israel.

Within the Futurist camp, there are two main sub-divisions:

A. Post-tribulation removal of the Church - The Judgments in Revelation are literal events on earth but the Church will go through most or all of this time of trouble.

B. Pre-tribulation removal of the Church - The true Church will be removed at the rapture prior to the judgments described in Revelation but many will find salvation afterward during the time known as the tribulation on the earth.

Within the pre-tribulation view, there are two schools of thought:

a. Classical Dispensationalism - There will be a literal normal fulfillment of the things written in the book. The Church does not replace Israel and is distinct from Israel. Most see prophetic fulfillment in the return of Jews to the land of Israel.

b. Progressive Dispensationalism - There is a past and future literal fulfillment of prophetic scripture to the natural descendants of Israel. Most also claim spiritual fulfillment of some prophetic scripture to the Church "the Israel of God". Some claim the seal judgments had partial fulfillment in 70 A.D. However, many that do, claim there will be a more complete or progressive fulfillment of these prophecies in the future. Most progressive dispensationalists see no prophetic significance to the new nation of Israel and the return of the Jews to the land. Most believe God is not fulfilling and will not fulfill any unfulfilled prophecy to the descendants of Israel until they repent in the tribulation and accept their Messiah. The progressive dispensationalist viewpoint varies quite a bit. It attempts to bridge theologies on eschatology and is becoming the prevalent view taught in most evangelical seminaries.

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/The%20boo...ntroduction.HTM

It would be a pleasure to meet you. I'm sure that we would have a good discussion.

JV_Coach, that does sum up what many believe. I appreciate reading that. Who's right and who's wrong ? Will we ever know, until the Son of God does return ?

I know that humanity will one day see the return of Jesus Christ. I accept the scriptures, as long as they aren't manipulated. This man seems to think, that nothing but the KJV is meant for burning : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121...test=latestnews

I realize that this goes into a different tangent, but to burn other translations of the Bible...

All we can do, is wait as 1 Thessalonians 4:15 points out. If we perish while awaiting the coming of God, or battling in Armageddon, it doesn't matter. We need to be faithful, persevere, repent, and concern ourselves with what we are doing.

We can all know now who is right and who is not through the proper application of scripture....God has revealed His will to us and we have everything right at our finger tips....all we have to do is study it in it's proper context.....

The best Bible to read is the one you read, and by that I mean read on a regular basis, and at Bible Gateway one can check out diffrent versions on-line http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/, and one can decide for themselves what they think is best for them. As Chrisitians we should have disernment about what we are taught and the KJV only people are lacking some just as mch as those who only read a parpahrase. ( That should get the KJV only people riled up) Me I like the KJV for the reason that of The Bible Verses I know, I know them in from a KJV or a NKJV Bible. Me personally I want to stay with a translation that is more word for word.... I am not a fan of a paraphrase to be ones only source of Bible knowledge, but it can be good as a helper, a couple of years ago I would read The NIV, KJV AND a paraphrase and I grew a lot in my faith.

Back on the Bible burners I understand were they are coming from I just do not agree with the way they are going about it. Let us be honest there are some wolfes in sheep clothings ,TNIV is coming out with a gender nuetral Bible (and I do think that is not right at all) Jesus is coming to reign as King not queen, and if any of you have teenage girls I would keep them away from the Revolve New Testament. Anology Alert: Revolve is the type of Bible the money changers in the temple would be trying to sell and we know what Jesus thought of those money changers. The Jevoha Witness Bible is on the for reals corrupt, John 1:1 ....the Word was God is how it should read not as the JW say The word was "a" god but hey they are a cult so what should one expect.

What is the proper context? With so many different Christian denominations, how does one know which denomination is teaching the scriptures in the context they are meant to be taught? You do realize that a person can become a pastor, minister, preacher, etc... online. What makes one denomination correct in their teachings over other denominations?

The only reason I ask this is because I think your point of "all we have to do is study it in it's proper context" is a very vague statement. There is an alarming rate of interpretations to individual scriptures - how are we supposed to know which interpretation is correct? What makes one preacher's interpretation correct over the preacher just a block away in another church? Please enlighten me to the "proper context" because to my knowledge there is no one around from the days the Bible was written to explain exactly what is written in the Bible. Some scholars will say something is symbolic while others say it is literal. Where is the common ground?

The Bible is written at an 8th grade level...read it and take it at face value....God wanted it to be very easy to understand so that all men could come to Him....The Holy Spirit has protected it for a LONG time and kept it in its true form....don't take the word of preachers from the denominations or my word either...read it with an open mind and accept that God meant exactly what He said....that is true faith....that is saving faith....when men begin to do THAT, there won't be any "denominations"....there will only be the true church of Christ.......When the seed is sown, and it finds an open and honest heart, only true New Testament Christians will result......

The irony of the Bible written at an 8th grade level is many adults can't seem to agree to what the Bible is supposed to be teaching us. I agree with what you are saying regarding "denominations," and I'm pretty sure Jesus did not want different denominations of Christianity. I've also read the scriptures in your signature. Exactly what is baptism to you? This is not a trick question; I'm just wondering if you are refering to the act of being placed in water or having water poured over your head as you are being blessed. Is this the type of baptism you believe one must have in order to be saved or go to Heaven.

I've pondered about this topic, prayed about this topic. This is the answer that I got. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. This world has always been a place of upheaval since the days of Cain and Abel. God works through mysterious and wondrous ways. When the time of the coming of the Lord does arrive, many of the inhabitants of this earth will know Him. They may have never heard His words, but they will kneel when He returns. There will be those that will still side with idiot. They will fight until they are banished from the presence of God and His Son, and in the end Revelation Chapter 20 will be fulfilled. Those that chose idiot, will fall with idiot.

The way I have been shown it, is people will realize that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. It doesn't matter what faith or tenet that they believe, but they will see Him returning. Some will scoff at His return, but it will be greater than an atomic bomb.

Many of us have heard the words of J. Robert Oppenheimer : "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." and he also said "No man should escape our universities without knowing how little he knows."

You see, the knowledge of God is far superior to our mere mortal intelligence. We have just a little bit of understanding of how our Father in Heaven will bring about His Glory.

Pastor Lindsey Williams, did show a warning, but this isn't anything new. I'm not worried about what he is saying. We can only trust in our Father, our God, and our Creator.

To Lhornfan on why there are so many denomination.
http://www.gotquestions.org/denominations-Christian.html

Denominations IMO are more for the way people like to worship but there are some doctornal truths that Christian Churches must have and what we as Christians should hold each others feet to the fire about.

* salvation comes only thru Christ, John 14:6
*Inherency(sp) of Scripture 2 Timothy 3:16
*You can not earn your way into heaven Ephesians 2:8-10
*The Holy Trinity/Godhead That thier is one God who has reveiled himself in three ways, Father ,Son and Holy Ghost. http://www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.html

Also IMO I think that some denominations have formed becuase the main denomination at that time became to complacent or was in error so God stirred things up so Christians would not be so complacent and to reach people that the other denomination was not reaching.

To God Be The Glory

Baptism is total immersion in water....We can see the example for that in Acts 8 when Phillip the evangelist went down into the water with the Ethiopian nobleman and baptized him for the remission of his sins......

Jesus not only does not "want" different denominations, He does not ACCEPT them.....

Matthew 7: 21 - 23: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Is Baptism needed for salvation? I would say no, becuase we are saved by grace and faith and not of works, but is it something a believer should do? Of course we should and if one claims to follow Christ, then follow him in Baptism. Becuase in my small brian Jesus was Baptized and I am not better then Jesus.

Water Baptism does not cleans us from sin, what cleans us is being washed by the Holy Spirit the moment we accept Christ into our hearts. But what Water Baptism does signify is that we have claimed Christ as our saviour and we are willing to follow Him.

If someone ask me "I have accepted Christ do I need to get Baptized" I will say yes!!!!

You are sadly mistaken in that belief and I sincerely hope that you come to know THE TRUTH before it is eternally too late....Baptism is not a "work". It is obedience to God's command....when our faith leads us to obey is the point at which it becomes saving faith...anything less is vain.....The Holy Spirit, knowing that this would be a point of conflict, told us that faith only will not save us.
James 2: 24: "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."

Jesus Himself told us that baptism is the act of obedience which saves us. Mark 16: 16 (see below).

Ananias told Paul that baptism washed away sins. Acts 22: 16 (see below).

The Holy Spirit inspired apostle Peter told us that baptism is what saves us. I Peter 3: 21 (see below).
He told us that we are baptized for the remission of our sins. Acts 2: 38 (see below).......

Your argument is with Jesus Christ, Peter, and the Holy Spirit.....

So Colmes what about the thief on the cross? He was never Baptised and Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise.

Plus I am not a hey we got saved so we can sin all we want to now type person, that right there aint right at all.

and I agree that as Chriastians we will produce fruit.

By the way I have been Baptized. After accepting Jesus into my heart as a small child I was baptized at Lake Bob Sandlin and it was a storming like no other and my parents said "we would have to come back another time" but I siad with the faith of a child "why dont we pray for the rain to stop?' So we did and the rain stopped and I was baptized, even saw a rainbow, and as we were leaving it started to rain agian.

To God Be The Glory

Before I start into this, again, I would ask that we all respect one anothers faith. I have found all those that have been responding in this thread to be followers of Jesus Christ. I believe that there are many ways to finding Christ. The Apostle Paul's example is the most extreme that I've ever heard of. Here he is going out killing apostles, under the name of Saul. Some church memebers at that time didn't even want to talk to him, after his conversion, because they were afraid he'd want to stone them too.

I can answer the two thieves on the cross theory. They did not go to heaven, they went to paradise. Luke 23 speaks on this in verse 43. However if you look at John Chapter 19, it makes no mention of this, but it happened nonetheless. What proves that they did not go to heaven that day was John 20: 17. Jesus Christ and the two thieves did go to paradise, but that is not heaven. Our Heaven has truly not been completed yet, because if you read Revelations Chapters 20 - 22, it explains how there will be a final judgement Revelations 20: 11-15, a new heaven and a new earth Revelations Chapter 21:1-2. I like reading the entire chapters and not verses, because the apostles wrote everything into context of what God wants us to know. So I think the scriptures should be read in their entirety.

That's why I don't believe in predestination. If everything is predestined the one commandment we would be given is "Live and let live, it's all been decided for you." It would be a one page Bible.

Colmesneil and I share very similar beliefs, when it comes to baptizm. God has given us ordinances that we should make covenants with God. Baptizm is both a burial and a resurrection. It shows that we are born again by the body of Christ. When we are baptized as Jesus Christ was by His cousin John it shows that we are laying our youth in the past, and accepting our calling towards being sons and daughters of God.

(This changes the topic up, but don't we have enough topic threads out there, when we can let each topic develope a life of its own, but stay within the topic ? )

Many faiths have age limits on when a child should be baptized, and I think you know where this is going. Some believe infants should be baptized, some believe an age of accountability, some believe when moving from one congregation to another, etc.

I think we can all agree that Jesus Christ did not need to be baptized. Even His cousin tried to say he needed to be baptized by Jesus Christ Matthew 3:14. Our Saviour wasn't baptised, until He was 30, but there are laws that even Jesus Christ had to abide. There are laws that God as set for us to live by, and baptizm is one of them.

Some say that those that aren't baptized will never be in the Kingdom of God, will the two thieves have an opportunity to be in Heaven. There's no doubt that they will, but that's for another discussion.

The thief on the cross died before the Law of Christ took effect...the Christian age did not begin until the Day of Pentecost around 30 AD....Therefore, he was under the law of Moses and did not require baptism, but adherence to the old law for his salvation....We can assume from what Jesus told him that he did what was required under the old law to gain that salvation....

I was baptized in my early 20's, but I do not believe one must be baptized to be saved. IMO, baptism is another way to show faith in Jesus. I don't think there is a single piece of scripture in the Bible that states one MUST be baptized in order to be saved and enter Heaven. There is however, many scriptures that state one can be saved through belief as Jesus as their savior. With all due respect, I'll take the scripture listed in Colmesneilfan's signature.

Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." If the Bible is written at an 8th Grade Level, this particular scripture is written at a 3rd Grade Level; it is basic grammar. It does not state that one that is not baptized will be condemned. If I were to say, "Whoever beleives and drives a Dodge truck will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned," the line would still be true as it is used in the original. The verses following Mark 16:16 speak of handling serpents, speaking in tongues, drinking poison without harm and healing the sick through laying of hands. Are we to do all these things as well in order to get into Heaven? And what about people that do not have the opportunity for baptism? What about a person that wants to accept Christ on their death bed or a soldier at war? Are these people condemned because they do not have the resources for baptism at the time they have chosen to accept Jesus Christ? What about children that have not been baptized?

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son, so that whoever believes in Him will not die, but have eternal life."

Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

In reference to Mark 16:16, if a person doesn't believe, they aren't going to be baptized in the first place. If they are, the baptism won't do them a bit of good....Your opinion is irrelevant as far as the Word of God is concerned....He didn't leave it open for interpretation, He revealed everything you need to know...accept it and be saved or deny it and be lost.....simple choice....

The apostles and those disciples who received the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit in those days did exactly that. However, those gifts were no longer needed when the full gospel had been revealed....

Every one has had the opportunity to obey the gospel at one time in their life...if they chose to ignore it, then they are going to reap what they have sown...You have heard THE TRUTH this very day, yet choose to ignore it...if you heed it on your death bed but can't be baptized in the proper manner before you die, that is your own fault....God's mercy and grace are offered to those whose faith leads them to obedience....when they take the plunge under the waters, the Holy Spirit works that miracle of cleansing the soul and we come up a new creature...washed clean by the Blood of our Lord and Savior.....

The two verses you chose to use out of context do not in any way go against what I have been teaching here today...in fact, when taken IN CONTEXT, they teach the exact same thing I am teaching....Hear this, believe it, repent of your past sins, confess that Jesus is the Christ, and be baptized to wash away your sins and rise up a new man in Christ, living your life faithfully until death...that is the ONLY path to salvation......

I want you to know that I respect your opinions Colmes, but I will continue to disagree.

I'll start with your last statement - I did not use any verses out of context, I simply typed them as they are in the Bible. You yourself said the Bible was written at 8th Grade Level, so it should be fairly easy to understand the meaning of the two verses I used. It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with context. Baptism is not mentioned with either verse, yet being saved and having eternal life are stated as long as a person believes Jesus is Lord and he died for our sins. Mark 16:16 is the same in black and white - one must believe or he will be condemned. It does not state one must be baptized or he will be condemned.

Next, I find it somewhat disturbing that a person of Christ would have the thought that someone that did not have an opportunity to be baptized could not be saved and enter Heaven, and "that is (their)/your own fault." There are people in the world that have never been to church or had the opportunity to hear the word of God. And you did not answer my question about children. Is God going to deny children the key to Heaven because they haven't been baptized? Maybe their parents will not allow it or maybe they are not of age.

Last, and this is the most important thing in my opinion. To say one MUST be baptized means Christ alone cannot save us. It takes a third party to complete a baptism. The Bible is crystal clear on this point - nothing other than the finished work of Christ is responsible for our salvation. It is entirely God's doing. To say that I need help from man to be saved is something that I will not agree with.

God chose the method that He would use to save us....He chose baptism as the means for us to show that our faith is an obedient faith....He chose baptism as the means for us to come into contact with the saving blood of Jesus Christ.....All we have to do is believe Him and obey His Will.....I will continue to pray for you to see the truth and come to obey God's Will......

John 14 speaks volumes, not just for the days of Jesus Christ, but during any time. His own apostles started to question Jesus Christ, about his Father. Here they were talking and walking with Jesus Christ, and they were still unsure. The Apostle Thomas being a skeptic that he was, asked in John 14:5 : "Thomas saith unto Him, Lord, we know not whither thoug goest; and how can we know the way ?"

You see, God has a place for us all because there are many mansions that will be in heaven. Jesus Christ also proves that He is the I Am of the Old Testament. He did this many times, in His life on earth.

The main point of this chapter is verse 15. "If ye love me, keep my commandments." If Christ was baptized, why should we not also ? That will only bring glory to our Father in Heaven, to His Son, and to the Holy Ghost. Our Father in Heaven has a plan for this world, and many of us will not understand it, even as the apostles of Jesus Christ didn't understand it, when they were walking and talking with Him.

Are we better than them ? I wouldn't think so, but they did have their doubts.

In my opinion, we have enough to worry about with our own lives. I know that Jesus Christ cleanses me daily. I just don't expect the rest of the world to understand the gifts that I've been given by God. I'm not going to moan and groan about the workers in the vineyard, Matthew 20 : 1-16. There will be a Judgement Day, and that will be the time for the Lord to seperate the wheat from the chaff.