Who are locks for all big 12 selection and who needs a strong finish for consideration...

Earl Thomas BIG 12 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Lamaar Houston
Rodderick Muckleroy
just the first 3 that came to mind when i thought about Texas. These guys are over achieving right now!

Colt will be the All Big 12 QB. Earl will make it easily. Muck too. Ulatoski will probably be the LT and there will be several others.




Shipley is a lock.

Agreed on shipley and Thomas. I dont think Colt is the best in the big 12 though. The numbers tell a different story. He will win it and probably win the heisman too. I just think that even if the team is undefeated his numbers are just not good enough to win either award.

Who else even deserves consideration at QB then? Colt is putting up great numbers again (only slightly worse completion % from last year) and he is undefeated.

1977 yards 15 td and 8 int are not exactly great numbers at this point of the season. The undefeated record is what really matters but IMO all conference selections should not go jsut to the players with the best records.
I think Reesings numbers are better but his play has struggled the last two weeks. Johnsons numbers are 2395 20 td and 3 int. He also has 6 rush tds... I know he plays for A&M but how can you argue that his numbers are not legit. I just dont think that the all conference selection should exclude guys with great seasons jsut because another player has a better record. I mean if we are going to do it that way lets just give the whole Texas team all big 12 lol

I mean when you look at it Texas really would be just as good with nearly any of their QBs on the roster. Its not like Colt has won those games for them. Now a Kansas team without Reesing or a A&M team without Johnson and you take away almost all he offense and neither of those teams can rely on their d.

I agree Johnson has some great numbers, but let's face it, the competition he has faced isn't nearly what Colt has faced. The Aggies are coming into the toughest part of there schedule, so lets see if he can keep his numbers up. If he does, then he defintely deserves at least a solid mention, if not he award.

Reesing, forget it. He was benched Saturday for his poor play recently. He had real good numbers, but there season has fallen apart and so have his numbers as the competition they face has improved over the early games.

Agreed about Reesing but the only tough games A&M has left is Texas and OU. And those are very tough games but even in A&M losses he has got his numbers. He wont throw for 350 and 4 tds against them but a 200 yard and 1 or 2 td game i think is not out of reach for him with the running game they have used this season. He plays very smart is the reason i think he will be ok. His completion % is only down because he throws the ball away alot. He will not force too many...

And the only team Texas has played that is better than any of A&MS is OU. One game does not make that much of a difference

I think the DT from Nebraska and the RB from K st are also locks...

I still find it laughable that the best logic people can use is "wins" when it comes to individual accolades. Football is a team game. You win and lose as a TEAM. Up until the OSU game, Colt McCoy had thrown at least one interception in EVERY game this year. If Colt played like he played for most of the year without the defensive domination that Texas has shown this year, no one would even be mentioning his name as a trophy candidate because Texas would have lost at least two games. It makes absolutely NO sense to reward the quarterback for playing on a team with a great defense and to punish quarterbacks who put up great numbers for teams that happen to have bad defenses.

To me, when you talk about individual awards you need to talk about INDIVIDUAL accomplishments. Texas being undefeated this year does not have a whole heck of a lot to do with Colt McCoy. They beat OU in SPITE of McCoy this year. I could argue the same thing for Tim Tebow...Florida has won a whole mess of games this year because of their defense, yet the media rewards the quarterback. It makes no logical sense whatsoever.

Why not reward a guy that plays on a decent-to-bad team that puts up league-leading numbers despite the talent around him? That would make too much sense I guess.

Texas' non-conference schedule was more laughable than A&M's...both were pretty lame. The only real difference is OU, and Johnson will get his shot in a few weeks.

My thoughts exactly... I also agree with the tebow statement. Its a joke when a guy can put up around 190 pass ypg and only throw for about 11 td but still be in the heisman talk.

Offense....McCoy; Shipley; Ulatoski
Defense....Houston; Muckelroy; Kindle; Sam Acho; Thomas; maybe one of the CBs

There is no QB in the league that can carry McCoy's shoes; phooey on the stats. He is the best QB in the Big 12 hands down. With Bradford out, it's Colt's position.

Wait until Mr. Johnson meets the Texas defense; it will be a night to forget; halloween all over again. My bet is his night goes worse that Zac Robinson's.

Ok lets try something. Aside from the record what makes you think he is the best qb in the big 12. He doesnt have the best arm. His high completion percentage is off mostly short routes to shipley. He doesnt make great choices with the ball sometimes...His int are among the bottom portion of big 12 starters. I just dont see how he is so great compared to others who do more with less talent.

And as far as johnson having a bad night i dont see it. He is too smart to throw many ints. His worst night of the season is and will be K st. he will not have a big game against texas but he will not lose it for them either...Their secondary will do that lol

I agree iwith your statement about Tebow for sure. No way he deserves any consideration, but he will get it and quite possibly win the Heisman, which will be sheer robbery. Colt should've won the Heisman last year when the voters allowed the cushioned stats of Bradford to sway them. tebow the year before was a sham as well. I admitted that Johnson has some very good numbers and I know that this is a team game. For you to even consider Texas being undefeated "doesn't have a whole heck of a lot to do with Colt McCoy shows how little attention you are paying and how blinded you are by your aggie glasses. Too bad for you.

it is so funny how aggie fans talk about johnson this year...after the third game this season one aggie fan said johnson deserved the heisman...then that article saying he has the accuracy of mccoy, the arm of bradford, and the everything else that tebow has...i mean really, if the guy had all that the aggies would have ALOT more wins...

you beat utah state by 8...you get BLOWN away by kansas state...KANSAS STATE!!! you can't try to make a claim for a guy getting all big 12 honors and say "well his only bad game was against kansas state..."

McCoy can throw the ball downfield; take a look at his passes the last two games. He plays in an offense that uses the short pass. By the way, he is slinging it at a 72% clip. We'll see what Mr. Johnson has after he gets to the strength of schedule....by the way...KSU...OOOPS! McCoy any day. What's scary, was watching the Aggies last year against the Texas Defense...this year's version is much better. The Texas DBs will have a field day against the Aggie QB. Boy; you live on Hope.

I don't understand the argument for McCoy. Only cody hawkins and taylor potts have thrown more interceptions in the big 12. Against oklahoma, the team won in spite of his poor performance in which he almost cost the team the game. In 5 conference games, he has thrown 7 touchdowns with 5 interceptions at an average of 207.4 yards per game for a total of 1037 yards. Meanwhile in 4 conference games, Jerrod has thrown for 1059 yards averaging 264.75 per game. He has 9 touchdowns and 3 interceptions.

Here are their 2 common opponents so far:

Texas Tech:
McCoy- 205 yards passing, 1 TD, 2 INT, 8 rushes for 5 yards
Johnson- 238 yards passing, 1 TD, 0 INT, 10 rushes for 71 yards, 1 Rush TD

Oklahoma State:
McCoy- 171 yards passing, 1 TD, 0 INT, 11 rushes for 34 yards
Johnson- 273 yards passing, 3 TD, 0 INT, 11 rushes for 3 yards

Yeah Jerrod hasn't played OU yet, but it's not going to be hard for him to outperform Colt's (21/39, 127 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, and a long pass of 14 yards). I believe that if Jerrod wore burnt orange and white, or blue and orange that his name would already be inscribed on the Heisman trophy.

i think people are letting their burnt orange classes give them false visions of Colt this year lobo...He is good dont get me wrong. But he should be...He plays with the one of if not the best defenses in football and a ton of talent on the offense with a great o line. And with all that he still only has mediocre numbers this season. people cant play the SOS card anymore because everyone has played big 12 conference games now and some still have better numbers. I mean im not saying Colt isnt good and im not trying to take away from him. But i just think looking at the numbers he is not the best qb in the big 12 this season. And if you want to say Johnson will get killed against Texas, i want to see what Colt would do against them...I promise it would not be any better. Those guyson D are for real.

Plays behind a patchwork offensive line with his best receiver out most of the year and almost no running game to speak of until the last two weeks. Yet still manages to be #2 in the country in total offense, is the Big 12 record holder for consecutive passes thrown without an interception, and was the last starting QB in the country to throw a pick this season. Yeah, he's terrible.

McCoy has time to throw and has more talent around him than most of the quarterbacks in the league yet throws more picks than half the quarterbacks in the country...he happens to have a top 5 defense on his team that has saved his behind this year and somehow that makes him a better quarterback? What are you smoking? I don't think McCoy is a bad player, but seriously...use some common sense.

Ryan Broyles from Oklahoma will make the All Big 12 team, and probaly Brian Jackson, Jeremy Beal, and maybe some other defensive players.

Maybe you should use some common sense. It is pretty absurd to compare Johnson who happens to be having a pretty good year to a QB that has proven himself over a 4 year period, has been a Heisman candidate for the past 2 years, and will soon be the ALL-TIME WINNINGEST QB in CFB history. Here is some common sense. If all we should use to evaluate QB's are purely their numbers then Texas Tech has the best QB in the country every year and they should have all been 1st team All-Conference. They are not because those that vote use, you guessed it, "common sense". Colt's offensive line has not been stellar this year at all. He has already been sacked as much as all of last year. The Texas running game is not up to their standard. You want to bring up interceptions and that's ok but use some common sense. Greg Davis talked about those 8 interceptions the other day. He made the comment that 3 were tipped passes and 2 or 3 were bad routes by the receiver. That puts 2 or 3 at most solely on the QB. INT's are not always the QB fault. One thing the record tells us is that he produces in crunch time and you don't lead a team to 8-0 without being pretty darn good at the QB position. Don't forget that he doesn't get to pad his stats because in blowout games because they either pull him or the shut down the passing game or both. That is the case in over half of his games. ULM, Wyoming, UTEP, MIZZ and OSU. On the other hand Johnson gets to air it out because the Aggies are either coming from behind or they are in close games. Arkansas and K-State showed everyone what happens when you pressure Johnson and it is ugly. He folded like a cheap tent. He still has to face the OU and UT defense so look for his INT's to go up and yardage to go down. Colt has already faced the tougher defenses and still gets to face some weaker ones. You can throw out the numbers anyway because anyone in their right mind knows that Colt is the superior QB. That is just common sense.

well said. Comparing Johnson to McCoy is stupid anyway. Johnson will never come close to sniffing the success that McCoy has had. only aggies are dumb enough to argue about this anyway

Just going to respond with three comments. First this is not comparing the careers of the two qbs. Just this season for all conference. Second, if you look at the Ark game Johnson still had his numbers. The only bad game he has really had is K st where he threw 3 picks but he also had 200+ yards and 2 tds thrown as well. When playing from behind and your defense cannot make a stop the offense will struggle. two of his picks vs k st were receivers and tipped #### as well. Johsnson has had 3 games where he did not come from behind and or play close so that is not an excuse either. And finally Colt struggled vs OU too so its not going to be a shock if Johnson does. The aggie running game is second best in the conference so i think that and the vertical passing style of Shermans offense will allow Johnson to be ok vs OU. ANd like i said earlier, Colt does not have to play his own defense so he cannot throw a bad game against them. But if he did have to play them he would not be any better than anyone else against them...

The only arguement here is who is putting up numbers this season and who isnt... Its not a comparison of careers. And its not fair to compare them even if you wanted too because of the talent around them. I dont think Colt could put up his career numbers at A&M do you? Its like comparing apples and oranges if you compare wins and losses. Im talking strictly stats for just this season.

By the way what is Colts record against those horrible aggies again? Even if he wins this season and goes 2-2, thats still not very good against a team you consider inferior mortal...

Like I said earlier, put Jerrod in burnt orange or Florida blue and the Heisman race is over. There would be no debate at all about it. Right now, McCoy shouldn't even be in the top 5 discussion, but he is because of his defense. The texas defense has 16 interceptions and is 2nd in the nation, which allows a quarterback to have some bad games but still win. I'm not saying that Jerrod should be talked about for the Heisman either, but the Heisman has become the top players on the top teams. For this entire decade, the Heisman trophy winner has played in the national championship game except for Carson Palmer. The All Big 12 team should reward the guys that had the best seasons. It shouldn't be a career achievement award or place guys based on their teams' record. I'm not saying that you have to look strictly at stats, I understand that leadership at the quarterback position is huge and McCoy does a good job with that, but I would say that jerrod has done a fantastic job with freshman and sophomore receivers and running backs, and a young offensive line. The A&M offense completes 50% of 3rd downs, while Texas completes 40% with each having 120 3rd downs. I would place emphasis on the quarterback leading in this situation. Also, how can you name a guy First team All Big 12 if he is one of the leaders in turnovers for the league?

Stats are for losers, because they can be very misleading.

You talk about the interceptions of McCoy. half of them half been tipped in the air by recievers, however at the end of the day they are still in the stat sheet.

Here is a link to the latest QB ranking for Division I College Football:
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year...v=IA&dest=O

Jerrod Johnson is currently #26 in QB rating. Guess who is #25? Yes, Colt McCoy. All the Aggies want to bring up numbers and even then Colt wins out. Since you brought JJ into the Heisman race why don't you add some more guys that have way better numbers. No QB has better numbers that Case Keenum. If you want to talk numbers than JJ isn't on the same planet as Case but you probably don't want to to that because like Colt he wins ball games. Come back later if JJ can get his team to 9-3 and put up gaudy numbers vs. OU and UT. Until then he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath with Colt. Colt can manage a game under pressure and JJ can't. Just look at the Arkansas and K-State game. Ever seen a Heisman winner get beat 62-14 by a bad team?

Hey guys, if you go strictly by stats in this ranking (posted above) then Zac Robinson gets the nod. He is higher than either of them. You could even make a case for Taylor Potts in these stats, even though he is lower than the other 3 he has also played less games and yet his stats are right there with the others. I think the Big 12 qb this year is gonna come down to a #### shoot by those who make the decision.

Yep.

I agree with Keenum. He should be the only person in the discussion right now for Heisman. But this tread is about the Big 12.

Yea Colts qb rating is higher than JJ...1 point higher. Not enough to sway my vote.

I would not say Johnson exploding is the reason for losses at Kst and Ark. The defense lost those games but if you want to play that card how many games this season has the Texas defense bailed out Mccoy. He hasnt put the team on his shoulders and won a game this season either.

I just think that we are comparing the careers of the two top qbs in the big 12 right now instead of what they have done for their team this season. When you look at records and stats its the tale of two different guys making their case. If you choose wins Mccoy no question. But choose him for what he has done this year. Forget about what happened last season or throughout his career. Also when looking at JJ losses remember that this is a team game and the defense you have behind you can make all the deference. He hasnt choked in the aggie losses, rather than the defense costing the game.

Tech qbs are deserving of the raward most years but Seldom get it...I agree there. But then i look at this season and all three qbs tech has used and it does make me wonder if they could put the punter in and move the ball lol. I know all three are talented but the offense seems to not miss a beat no matter who is in.

That stat puts a great deal of weight on completion percentage...seems like McCoy SHOULD lead Johnson in that stat considering these stat lines from the OU football game:



McCoy is dead last in the Big 12 in yards per completion, Johnson is 3rd. A&M throws the ball down the field quite a bit...Texas, not so much. Tech threw 18,000 bubble screens against A&M a few weeks ago...sure it makes the QB rating pretty good.

And I'm glad you brought completion percentage up, because it is the ONE passing stat that McCoy leads Johnson in.

No one in the nation cares about Jerrod Johnson, hence he is a not a heisman candidate. He plays on a perenial losing program and thus has no shot even if he had the best numbers in the world.

And for the record, I don't give a flying rip if Colt wins the Heisman this year or not. He deserved to win it last year, and there's still plenty of football left to be played. I think I'll take the undefeated record and shot at the national championship, and I'm sure Colt McCoy probably feels the same way.

1. Arkansas has no defense..2. KSU - OOOPS! 3. Texas/OU is the biggest rivalry in the southwest; I can bet you that Coach Venables worked his defense for McCoy last summer in response to the nature of the Texas passing game and how it beat the tar out of them in 08.. Doubt if he's given a second thought to the Aggies and Johnson 4. McCoy plays about 2.5 quarters and is managing the game from about the mid-point of the 2d quarter. Good luck on Turkey Day.

Just reading through this thread I found a lot of Aggie fans devaluing Colt this season because of the picks, and saying they've won in spite of McCoy. I think all those opinions are silly and biased. Anti-UT fans may say my opinion that their opinions are silly and biased are also silly and biased, but oh well, we're all having fun here.

I never intended to bash the longhorns or Colt. I just simply stated that the stats show that Colt is not playing at the highest level in the big 12. Im not saying Johnson is better than Mccoy. Its comparing apples and oranges. But despite the two teams records Johnsons stats are better. I think that has to put him in the consideration for one of the better qbs in the big 12 this season.

And immortal TAMU is not a perenial losing program...I mean get real dude. They have had only three losing seasons in past 20 years. Now A&M is not at the level that Texas has been lately but to call them losers is just childish. Considering A&M has 2 of the last 3 and 14 of the last 25 against your Horns it doesnt say too much of them if the aggies are perenial losers. Try to use a little logic in your post...I never said that Colt wasnt good and the horns were not a legit contender so quit getting upset at someone saying that their might be a qb as good as colt this season. If Colts Defensive buddies can help his record how come Johnsons defense cant hurt his...

with the exception of these last two games against missou and OSU, yes mccoy has underachieved...but he is blowing it up at the right time...

and for those aggies who wanna say "well johnson does more with less talent!" all i have to say to that is you better be happy robert griffin III got injured, because next year he will be the best QB in the Big 12. and he has less talent around him than anyone in the conference.

We have found common ground!

It is quite true that no one pays attention to anyone from anywhere other than Top 15 programs because the media frenzy is hard to sift through. A lot of the media picked their "favorites" before the season and work very hard to prove themselves right even when the facts dictate otherwise. Case in point, Jerrod was dropped from the Davey O'Brian award watch list despite being #2 in the country in total offense...Taylor Potts made the semifinals cut despite being benched. Has nothing to do with how good each player is whatsoever...has everything to do with public perception.

I also think McCoy should have won the Heisman last year, and so do a lot of the media. I can't think of a player that would trade a National Title for an individual award, even the Heisman.

McCoy STINKS!!

From the Daily Oklahoman:



..........plus he was thrown into this mix as a non starter and wasn't even given the 'ball' until after the Miami game. I can't wait to see his stats at the end of the year. So much football left to play. 72% with the other stats that Colt has, in addition to his team being undefeated can't be over looked, but the point is that Landry should be given consideration for All Big 12, regardless of the fact that he is only a RS freshman, and behind an o-line that has been less than stellar. Wow. I love the ratio of TD/INT.

Also worthy of note is the level of competition that LJ has faced: BYU, Miami, UT all being Top 25 or higher programs.

i agree there...Those stats are impressive. but half of them also came in one game against a weak tulsa game. They guy is good though and next season will be scary good...I wish he was a senior lol

The Aggies on here are just cracking me up. They've won a few games and now they consider themselves part of the elite of the Big 12. Sheesh, at the beginning of the year, it was about firing Sherman. You guys will be 7-5 in the end. Congratulations and welcome back to the Big 12 and the middle of the pack.

Shermans job has NEVER been on the line this season or last. The A&M faithful know this is going to take time and i believe he is on the right track. The recruits coming in have already showed to be good and the class coming in next season is loaded with oline and LB prospects, the two areas most needed. He will have the aggies back in the big 12 south contention in a year or two just watch.

And what makes Texas think they are among the Nations elite with just one conference title in the last 15 years...

I know Texas is one of the elite programs in the country and have no problem admitting it. But i mean Texas fans always make A&M out to be the worst team in the big 12 but have more losses to them in the last 25 years than any other team in the counrty. So get real man... A&M is coming off a 4-8 season but its not like they are school of the blind potential

Now thats funny stuff right there!

I agree that Tulsa is no powerhouse this year, but they are 4-4 on the season with wins over the following: @ Tulane (37-13); @ New Mexico (44-10); Sam Houston State (56-3); @ Rice (27-10), and losses to OU (0-45); Boise State (21-28); @ UTEP (24-28); SMU (13-27).

Since UTEP won narrowly at home over Tulsa, it could be argued that the two teams are pretty comparable.

Landry Jones was 25-37 against Tulsa;
Colt McCoy was 28-35 against UTEP.

I don't see how you can say, "but half of them also came in one game against a weak tulsa game." without also taking note of some of the weak competition that Colt McCoy has faced, like UTEP.

I agree...Im not a fan of Colt winning the Heisman or all big 12 at this point lol. But ill admit that no qb in the big 12 has just blown me away like i thought they would this season. I know Bradford is hurt and Mccoy has played a little rocky but i thought to see a little more from Robinson and the way Reesing has blown up lately is just odd considering how his career has gone. Potts was way overrated and Griffin is out for the year. Johnson is playing as well as anyone but plays for the aggies so there goes any recognition for him lol. Look for Colt to get the nod for the all big 12 and the Heisman. Top player on the top team...No matter what stats show lol Records is all that matters unfortunatly. He could split time with Gilbert from here on out and probably still win it.

Colt has been playing better lately, and Texas is still holding back some offense. Unless Mack Brown is an outright liar, he said in his post-game conference last week that Davis kept telling him "this is open, we can run this, it's there." Mack told David to keep it in the bag in case they needed it down the road. My guess is they're talking about downfield passing in the middle of the field or down the hashes. They could also be talking about running Colt more on the option read. Texas throws a lot of short routes - THIS IS part of their running game - THIS IS their offensive scheme. We have seen Colt throw the ball downfield with great accuracy when needed. Just last week Texas scores late in the 2nd half with Colt throwing deeper #### including an 11 yard TD to Williams (this was really a 20-yard pass being in the back of the endzone).

Johnson has put up some good numbers. While some Aggie faithful has said his defense is killing him, it is quite the opposite when we compare stats. QBs with great defenses don't get the opportunities that QBs with average to below averge defenses will get... unless the offense likes to run up the score. That being said, Jerrod has had more opportunity to throw the ball downfield and scramble for rushing yards when the defense drops into their prevent defenses.

In my opinion, the BIG XII QB will go to McCoy, Robinson or Reesing. Coaches tend to vote for SR/JR players for All-Conference unless the younger players have put up some really gawdy numbers. We know this year's All-Conference team is supposed to be about "this year", but it usually doesn't work that way. Otherwise, why would Tebow and Colt be in the middle of the Heisman talk right now? Johnson has put up good enough numbers to come in as one of the favorites in 2010. He would have to put up some amazing numbers the rest of the year, and the Aggies will have to win their games for him to be considered this year. Because as much as we want to talk about stats, it comes down to the most important stat - the WIN.

Good post. your are certainly right about the defense giving Johnson more opportunities. I think people were saying from a record standpoint it hurts him...They run the hurry up so he gets plenty of opportunities as is.

Colt has been playing alot better lately and i look for him to get better as the season goes on. IM not sure i believe Mack when he says they are holding back. There may have been a few plays open in the OSU game he didnt run but thats jsut one game. If they know of things open and were holding them back against OU and during the CU when they were trailing i think it was very dumb to hold them back. The OU game was way too close to be saving plays for the national title. Too much football left on the schedule for stuff like that in a must win game.

During to OSU game, the announcers threw out a stat that i found very interesting.

and i dont remember it exactly but a stat it a stat and you can't argue with numbers.

it read something like McCoy 37% (it might have been like 32.7% i dont remember) completion of passes beyond 10 yards.

I don't think UT was holding anything back against OU. I thought it was two of the nation's best defenses getting after each other in a huge rivalry game. Mack was specifically speaking about the OSU game.