With Iowa LSU ND and Oregon going down does make it possible for both these teams to get in a bsc game? What other teams losing would it take for them to get in?

I'm sure if USC wins out they will give them an At-Large spot before Boise State.

More than likely they will, and I despise the Trojans. That will rob TCU and Boise in a bad way. TCU deserves to be in a BCS game if they continue that they are doing. Boise, I'm not sold on them after last nights game.

I hate it but you might be right...I saw on espn.com where the AD for Boise is begging ANY big conference team to play him in 2011 at the other teams house and he does not require them to come back to the blue turf the next year. He has pretty much called out the NCAA powers and NOBODY wants to accept. I wouldnt either. Peterson is the best coach in the country for what he has to work with.

In 2010 they play Virginia Tech and Oregon st...If they run undefeated through that and dont play for the title im losing respect for not only the BSC but college football as a whole. Give the kids a shot.

Here's a rough breakdown:

If TCU and Boise both win out, one will get the autobid for a non-AQ conference champ in the top 12 (almost certainly TCU at this point, there is little chance of Boise overtaking them). Along with the six BCS conference champs, that's 7 spots filled.

The first at-large spot will go to the loser of Florida-Alabama, barring a complete and total collapse by that team between now and the SEC championship game. The Bama-LSU game today didn't affect Boise's chances at an at-large, though, since it was basically a lock that there would be a second SEC team selected.

That leaves two spots. The Big East isn't going to have a better at-large candidate than Boise - the best they could hope for is Pitt beating Cincy, and Cincy being there with 1-loss. Boise would get selected ahead of 1-loss Cincy. The Big 12's only at-large possibility (without a lot of help) is Okie St. I don't think a 2-loss Okie St. is a "sexy" enough pick for a bowl to pass over an unbeaten Boise, though. Oklahoma or Nebraska could sneak into the top 14 if a lot of results go their way, but I doubt a 3-loss team would be considered.

ACC: Miami has not looked good the past few weeks, but if both they and Georgia Tech win out, it's possible a 2-loss Miami would get some attention as an at-large. A Georgia Tech loss would have ruled this out, but they won in OT today and now only Duke stands between them and the ACC Championship Game.

Pac-10: USC just needs to win out and they'll almost certainly get taken ahead of Boise as an at-large... but Oregon's loss did help Boise in that it left more of an opportunity for USC to somehow weasel the Rose Bowl bid out of things if they do win out. If Oregon loses to Oregon St. or Arizona, there might be a three-way tie at the top, and then it's down to the Pac-10 tiebreaker (which depends on how the other teams finish). Or if Oregon loses both, USC will hold the head-to-head over any other 2-loss team. It's doubtful any of the other Pac-10 teams would get an at large if USC is the autobid.

Big 10: Iowa's loss plus Ohio St.'s win over Penn St. makes things a little better for Boise. Ohio St. needs to win out to get in the BCS, and in doing so they would claim the Big 10 championship, and go as the autobid. Iowa probably wouldn't have been taken ahead of Boise with 1-loss (to Ohio St.) anyway, but a 2-loss Iowa is definitely not getting an at large. So the Iowa-Ohio St. game will be for the conference championship (probably), and the loser is out. 2-loss Penn St. is still alive for an at-large spot, though. They'll *probably* be top 14 by the end of the year if they win the rest of their games... but it depends on other teams losing.

Anyway, those are the teams to watch: USC, Penn St., Miami (probably), Okie St. (possibly). If they win out without winning their conference, and are in the top 14, I could see those teams getting taken ahead of Boise... if there's only one (or none) of those teams available, Boise will make it in.

^^^ Nice break down. Thanks... I think that Boise has looked rough at times, but what team in the country hasnt played down to their opponent at least 2 games this season.

It is all about money and USC will bring the money, becuase how many of us really care about the quality of the product but are more concerned about brand name. Boise St/MWC has won enough in the past to warrent an undefeated team EVEN A ONE LOSE team playing in the BSC if not for a national championship.

Boise St., Cincinnati, and TCU build the best argument for a playoff. Nobody is going to want to go to the Independence Bowl and watch Auburn vs. Iowa St/Kansas/A&M/ or Missouri. Many of these bowl games are a joke. S.M.U. might even make a bowl game this year.

Nobody wants to schedule these three teams or Utah, because they are afraid of them. The S.E.C., Big 10, Big 12, and the PAC 10 think their conferences are the best. In each Conference you have your top tier, you middle of the pack, and then the spares. Vanderbilt, Baylor, Iowa State, MSU, Auburn, Colorado and on and on aren't great teams. Each conference especially the S.E.C. tries to build up their bottom dwellers like they could beat any team in any other conference. Cut out 2 non-conference games, and make a playoff happen.

People complain about the distances. If Texas can play Wyoming in Wyoming, what's the big whoop ? The BCS isn't working, and the polls have never worked.

I think Cincy is for real...

It's their QB's fault. LOL!

Not trolling are we lol. But naw. Moore has like 25 tds to just 3 picks after today i think.

Then it must be the blue turf.

The last game was at La tech. lol... But seriously its just a product of teams having harder times getting pumped for a game. The games that matters the good teams do not falter, Texas-OSU, Bama-LSU. But everyone has had one bonehead game this year lol. Thats expected...

Their backup quarterback did better than the L.S.U. backup quarterback.

TCU is the best "small" school in the country hands down. It ain't even close! TCU is awesome, and I believe they can play with the big boys. The longer this goes on and the more games TCU wins the more upset I get that Dwight Smith isn't playing for them right now. I saw Matthew Tucker getting some good PT last week when they were playing Timbucktoo State University, and I was thinking to myself how there is no way Tucker is half the RB Dwight Smith is. Seriously, CH people, I'm sorry, but Dwight Smith is on a different level than your boy Tucker. Tucker is a good back, and I'm glad he's doing well, but Smith is a monster.

Now that he's not playing for TCU, and he is again free to go where he wants I want him to go to UT. I know it's about as likely as a snowball surviving in, well.......yeah I'm reaching with this Dwight to UT thing, but boy do I want it!!!!!

Anyhow, TCU is for real. Cincy barely beat UConn yesterday, Boise very well could've lost at LaTech Friday night had Tech not started screwing up, and TCU just destroys people. TCU has a very good, experienced QB, one of the best stables of running backs in college football, very good wide receivers and a nasty defense.

I agree, TCU would beat both Boise and Cincinnati.

and fairly easily i think

I'd like to see TCU beat the brakes off USC. Man that would make my day.

The should just put USC in the Rose Bowl every year and be done with it!!!!!

It would be closer than you think...I think TCU is the better overall than the two,but in a one game situation Cincys offense is GOOD lol.

Cincy's offense is good, but their defense couldn't carry TCU's jock. I'll take TCU by double digits.

What signifies a "small" school?

All FBS (D1) football schools are allowed 85 scholarships unless they are being penalized for breaking the rules. The only exceptions are Army, Navy and Air Force because all their students are on scholarship.

By the way, the ACC has the lowest average enrollment of FBS conferences.

People's mindset...

If their mindset is small, then there are small schools.

However, TCU is one of the 10 smallest FBS schools by enrollment with a little less than 9,000 students.

SFAFrog, what signifies small school in the current CFB set up we have is if you are a school not in one of the big six automatic BCS qualifying conferences. Don't act like I have a small mindset, because I called TCU a small school. If you didn't read any more of my post than see that I called TCU a small school then quit reading because your little man syndrom kicked in and you got mad then you need to hand in your SDC keys and not return to these boards.

Besides calling TCU a small school, I also stated they can play with anybody and are definitely the best of the undefeated non-automatic qualifying conferences. Geez dude, you need to calm down with your defense of the, oh no I'm about to say it, small schools and drop the chip off your shoulder.

I've been hoping for a UT versus TCU national championship, and that possibility is still alive and kicking so please don't get so stinking defensive all the time about big or small schools. As long as you've been posting on SDC I think almost every post from you has been about attacking and lashing out about schools such as UT and OU versus the thinking from people around the country about schools like TCU and Boise.

Give it a rest.

I wasn't calling you out in particular. I was calling out the system. However, since you decided to go off the deep end, you did choose to use the labels that the BCS system has artificially set in place maybe I was.

How else am I supposed to label them? This is like another much larger issue we deal with here in America......

Well since you asked and I'm trying to avoid doing my homework:

could be:


This is much less offensive...

Yo man, I'm the guy you got the first quote off of. Surely you noticed. I love the Frogs buddy.

I know. I know. I think I even remember you making nice posts before today. Just giving you grief.

Very cool, I like a little grief every now and then. It makes it fun. I live in Ft Worth, and the ESPN radio affiliate up here interviews Kirk Herbstreit every Wednesday afternoon at about 5:10 pm so that people driving home from work like me get to hear the interview. He has been talking up the Horned Frogs every single week.

I'm really glad to see they're doing so good and would love to somehow drop Iowa State from the Big 12 and pick up TCU.

As far as Cinncinati the big east may be on par with the sun belt when it comes to football. That being said I think TCU and Boise St are much better then Cinnci but Cinncy could beat ND and USC.

I dont know why the big east gets an automatic bid?? i would take bosie and tcu over them........

One thing that came up while writing the post in the Texas-TCU thread is the possibility that Texas loses the Big 12 Championship. If that happens, a 1-loss Texas would definitely be taken as an at large over Boise, hurting the Coalition's chances of getting two teams in.

USC lost. Miami lost. That basically eliminates the Pac-10 and ACC from at large contention (at least, being taken ahead of Boise).

With the six conference champs, TCU (assuming they win out, but if they don't Boise gets in automatically, of course), and the SEC runner up in, we have two spots left. There are two other conferences that could get a second team in:

Big 12 - If Texas finishes the regular season unbeaten but loses in the Big 12 championship, they will be selected as an at large. If Texas wins the Big 12, Okie St. is the only at large possibility - they are only 19th coming into this week, but they may break into the top 14 after all the losses this weekend, and they definitely will make it there to qualify for consideration by the end of the season if they keep winning out. They still have to travel to OU, so if they lose that and Texas wins out, Boise will get a second BCS bid. If Okie St. and Texas both win out, though, the Fiesta could be interested in Okie St. to replace Texas (possibly pairing them with TCU).

Big 10 - Ohio St. has clinched the Rose Bowl spot. That leaves Iowa, Penn St., and Wisconsin all with 2 losses. I had Penn St. as Boise's biggest threat, though I've read elsewhere that Wisconsin might be a threat, and of course Iowa beat both of them on the road. Penn St. was #18, and Wisconsin was #20, but like Okie St. they will move up, and probably into the top 14 by the end of the season if they keep winning. Iowa may not move down too far given the loss to Ohio St. was in OT, but it will be interesting to see how the pollsters rate a team with two closes losses and a bunch of close wins. I wouldn't be surprised if all three are in the top 14 by the end of the season (if not sooner). But I also wouldn't be surprised if one of them gets knocked off, either. Anyway, regarding Boise, this just comes down to money - it's very likely that there will be a 2-loss Big 10 team available, so it depends on the bowls and how they view the money-making capabilities of the teams.

I like Boise's chances a lot better now that USC took a second thumping, though.

I dont think there is anyway a 2 loss big ten team should get in the big ten stinks this year....

I agree they shouldn't get a second team in. And hopefully the bowls will agree with that. But the bowls have a history of picking undeserving "big name" at large teams, unfortunately...

Remember the whole reason we don't have a playoff system is the money being made in the BCS Bowl System. It would not surprise me one bit to see bowl committees pick a large university over a smaller school for doubts of the smaller schools bringing in the fans. Let's face it, as much as TCU has proven that they deserve to play with ANYBODY this year, a bowl match-up of TCU vs. Boise would probably not fill up a large venue. Heck TCU only has around 8000 students struggles to sellout Amon Carter. The teams deserve it, but BCS has proven year after year - they are not concerned with the teams - only money.

Last night should help a little with the attendance thing but probably won't...

SFAFrog,

Are you just now getting out of bed after staying up all night after the game? I bet you had a great night! I was out last night, and saw a lot of purple in downtown Fort Worth after the game.

I just got back from Fort Worth. I got up at 8 this morning to go to church in Fort Worth at University Christian. Amon Carter was awesome last night. Everywhere we went this weekend it was all about the Frogs! It reminded me a little of 2003 except it is more intense this year.

I love that picture

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I'm just now starting to recover from last weekend, not quite as young as I once was.

I coached in a playoff game at TCU years ago against Arlington Lamar. I was in the pressbox, and at the time I would have sworn the pressbox was literally over the field. I swear I got a few nose bleeds from being so high. It was awesome though as we took an early lead and held on to win.

Funny story about that game - we stopped on the drive up and ate at a Golden Corral. We talked to the kids about what to eat and not over do it, but we really didn't look over their shoulders too much. Well, about 90 seconds into the 2nd half, the Mike LB is jogging off the field stiff legged and says he's about to #### his pants. For those of you that don't know about TCU's field, there are a lot of steps he had to climb to get to the dressing room - which was locked!!! He ended up going to a restroom under the bleachers. As he returned midway into the 3rd quarter, our best DE had to go. After the game, our DE was telling us how some old man was talking to him the entire time he was taking care of business in the stall. Telling him he was doing a good job but not to lose contain on the boot; stuff like that. I swear we said no more Golden Corral before games.

Looking good for Boise St. now that Okie St. lost to OU. The main obstacle remaining, other than the 13th game against New Mexico St., is the Big 12 championship - if Texas loses, they'll get an at large spot and knock Boise out (unless Boise gets selected over Iowa/Penn St., which is unlikely); if Texas wins, Boise should be in along with TCU.