http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/07/ho...head-for-ref%2F

We still don't know how socialized medicine is going to work in America. It's made one step to becoming law, and there's only one more step for it to take. The Government is deciding how to take away freedom.

I would like to see the time when everyone voted. The lone republican that voted yes waited until the bill actually passed with 218 democratic votes before she voted yes as the last republican to vote. CYA. I would like to see when Blanch Lincoln (Ar) voted her yes.

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/1/887

Here's how they all voted... I'm appalled that 10 of our Texas reps voted for this. 10 votes... 10 that would've stopped it...

The lone Republican that did vote for it... is in New Orleans... figures!

Sorry, Lincoln is a senator not a rep.

all the idiots that voted for the dims in the first place love this vote cause they're not going to be the ones who pay for all of it anyway. they'll be the ones standing around with their hands out.....as usual

As fewer and fewer people pay federal income taxes, it is an easy way to "buy" votes. I did not check to see where the texas reps that voted for this bill live, but I would guess a high percentage of their constituantes may not pay federal income taxes. One of the best comments about this bill was prove you can save money in medicare before you push this bill, afterall, half of the cost is "paid for" with "savings" from medicare. Kind of like "jobs saved" in the stimulus bill.

Greenville Herald Banner published my letter to the editor on healthcare

Posted by Debbie McKee on 11/04/09 5:12 PM

11.4.09 http://www.heraldbanner.com/opinion/local_..._309003304.html

Dear Editor,

This is a response to Mr. Jaco’s letter about taxpayer funded health care. That’s nice that your family has been so well cared for by medicare, etc. However we should look at the realities of expanding or even continuing such programs- yes, health care must be paid for- but the idea of taxpayers footing the bill is a rather new one - only a few decades old. The consequences of such programs are unfunded liabilities that our country has no way to pay for, to the tune of 60 +/- trillion dollars. That means we’ve obligated ourselves to that as a future debt, promise to provide and pay for services we can‘t afford.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility, the free market and real charity? I’ll tell you what’s happened to it - the federal and state government came in and gradually took over just about every aspect of our lives. We look to big brother or nanny state instead of the person in the mirror.

The more government has entangled itself in health care the more the costs have risen and efficiency and quality has gone down. What has government ever taken control of that has IMPROVED?

Why am I, an uninsured person paying for the healthcare of EVERYONE else? Through corporations and businesses passing their expenses to consumers (me) and government passing the programs’ costs to taxpayers (me) - I pay for other’s care and cannot afford my own. There is something wrong with this picture. And no the answer isn’t for me to get in line for Medicaid (which I’m sure our family would qualify for, but we wouldn’t dream of asking others to pay for something that is OUR responsibility!).

Healthcare choices should be left to the individual. No one should be forced -YES - forced to pay for someone else’s personal choices or consequences from those choices.
Imagine how much money we’d have in our pockets if we weren’t forced to subsidize - with everything we buy and taxed on every dime we earn - the care of others.

We could afford our own insurance if we chose to, whatever level we decided and from whatever provider we wanted. Like buying auto or home insurance. Insurance should cover the major catastrophes in life. Every sniffle, flat tire, routine oil change or burned out light bulb shouldn’t be paid for by insurance.

Then we’d also have more money in our pockets to help the truly needy with charity. Which should be in the hands of community and churches, NOT the government.

We need to get back to taking care of ourselves- we do a much better job.
The trillions in promised future benefits is unsustainable. We must work toward removing government all together from those areas of life not authorized by the Constitution and not impose further burdens of debt on our people - such burdens will be born by children not yet born!

Like Melody Brunson’s op-ed about changing buying habits and Ms. Eades letters about helping one another. We must start being more responsible for self , family and neighbors. And strengthen our churches and communities.

Our debt based economy will continue to come crashing down. We’ve been plundered by Austin, Washington, Wall Street and the Federal Reserve (as well as the international bankers). And the looting hasn’t stopped. You think the dollar losing 95% of its purchasing power in the last 90 years is bad, just wait until the inflation which will result from the recent printing of trillions more in monopoly money comes home to roost. We will be the ones to pick up the pieces, we CANNOT look to the ones who’ve done this to us to take care of us.

This will mean a paradigm shift. Back 100 years or more would be a good place to start. Before the Federal Reserve Banking system, before the AMA censuring alternatives to healthcare, before socialism and fascism, before U.S. global empire building, before Federal indoctrination institutions (government controlled public schools), before the propaganda machines run by a few corporations.

It’s not left vs. right folks, it’s tyranny vs. the people.
Personal responsibility and local control are the prescriptions we need.
*************************************************************

Debbie McKee is a volunteer for Campaign For Liberty

http://www.campaignforliberty.com

Throughout the primary campaign last year, Obama consistently said one of the important policy differences between him and Hillary Clinton was that he did not support an individual mandate to buy health insurance.

According to Obama:
Senator Clinton. . . believes that we have to force people who don't have health insurance to buy it. Otherwise, there will be a lot of people who don't get it.

I don't see those folks. And I think that it is important for us to recognize that if, in fact, you are going to mandate the purchase of insurance and it's not affordable, then there's going to have to be some enforcement mechanism that the government uses. And they may charge people who already don't have health care fines, or have to take it out of their paychecks. And that, I don't think, is helping those without health insurance. That is a genuine difference.


The "one" lied!

Here are the Texas Dems who voted for the healthcare bill. I suggest we all AIM small... and we get these ten out of office this next election... the majority, as you can see are along the Mexican border...

They are:

1) Ciro D. Rodriguez - District 23

2) Henry Cuellar - District 28

3) Ruben Hinojosa - District 15

4) Solomon P. Ortiz - District 27

5) Lloyd Doggett - District 25

6) Sheila Jackson-Lee - District 18

7) Eddie Bernice Johnson - District 30

8) Gene Green - District 29

9) Al Green - District 9

10) Silvestre Reyes - District 16

Notice the names of the majority of these who voted yes......... hummmmmmmmm

This has got to be a nightmare. I suppose the "one" will deny this as well!

Im hearing that premiums will be low for 55 plus years and HIGH for 18-29 year olds. The idealist youngsters have just voted themselves to paying my health care. I really didnt want them to, but hey, they asked for it.

You're right on that, OldSchool. Those who pushed for it, are fixing to see being taxed out the yeyaw... they may actually have to get rid of those "toys".......

And let's not also forget the seniors who voted for "The One".... Medicare being cut...

All I can say is while I have in no way read this legislation (who has!) any debate about wording that might include illegal aliens in the country is really of no concern. Whether the bill includes such wording to include illegal aliens does not matter because if this idiot Obama and his minions are allowed to hang around long enough we can look forward to welcoming no telling how many millions of illegal aliens who will become instant citizens thus qualifying for the plan. And I hope we remember when talking about Texas Trans Corridors and NAFTA Superhighways there is a reason our borders are open. We will assure road construction laborers regardless of how they illegally arrived on our soil are covered with a health plan.

Right you are!

Supposedly, it will be dead in the Senate. If not, maybe on constituional grounds. If a government can require me to buy insurance, what else can they require. And no, it is not like car insurance-- I dont have to drive.

You know... the only way they can enforce it, is to actually know. Now, how exactly are they going to find out whether you've bought health insurance or not? Even when you file your income tax, are you going to have to "attach" verification of healthcare now with same?

Lets pray it fails in the Senate.

Message from U.S. House of Representatives: We dont care what America thinks. (55-60% of Americans do not want it passed)

And message from America to U.S. House of Representatives - update your resume, you're fixing to be looking for a job!

I can hardly wait for the opportunity to make them rely on those resumes.

Oh, but wait... look what Organizing for America is doing:

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contrib...eturnlink=false

Tonight's vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable
>care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.
>
>Even after last year's election, many insider lobbyists and partisan
>operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C.
>back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block
>any idea they didn't like. Now, they're desperate. Because, tonight, you
>made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing -- and the people will
>not be ignored.
>
>In the final phases of last year's election, I often reminded folks,
>"Don't think for a minute that power concedes without a fight," and it's
>especially true today. But that's okay -- we're not afraid of a fight. And
>as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it
>takes to win.
>
>Please donate to OFA's campaign to win this fight and ensure that real
>health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:
>
>https://donate.barackobama.com/History1
>
>Let's keep making history,
>
>President Barack Obama
>
>
>Please donate: https://donate.barackobama.com/History1

And.........

From: democraticparty@democrats.org
Sent: 11/8/2009 1:01:28 A.M. Central Standard Time
Subj: Making history


Friend --

This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.

But you and millions of your fellow supporters didn't just witness history tonight -- you helped make it. Each "yes" vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls. You stood up. You spoke up. And you were heard.

So this is a night to celebrate -- but not to rest. Those who voted for reform deserve our thanks, and the next phase of this fight has already begun.

The final Senate bill hasn't even been released yet, but the insurance companies are already pressing hard for a filibuster to bury it. The Democratic Party and Organizing for America have built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people's voices to Congress, and tonight we saw the results. But the coming days will put our efforts to the ultimate test. Winning will require each of us to give everything we can, starting right now.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight.

Tonight's vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.

Even after last year's election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn't like. Now, they're desperate. Because, tonight, you made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing -- and the people will not be ignored.

In the final phases of last year's election, I often reminded folks, "Don't think for a minute that power concedes without a fight," and it's especially true today. But that's okay -- we're not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.

Please donate to OFA's campaign to win this fight and ensure that real health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:

http://my.democrats.org/MakingHistory

Let's keep making history,

President Barack Obama

This thing in its current form is dead on arrival in the Senate......

By Ron Ewart, President
National Association of Rural Landowners
and nationally recognized author on freedom and property rights issues
© Copyright November 8, 2009 - All Rights Reserved

". . . from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

In essence, that is what the Democrats in the U. S. House of Representatives said to the American people on the night they shot an arrow into the heart of freedom ..... but unfortunately, it wasn't their last breath. In unprecedented arrogance they pointed their middle finger at each one of you and said freedom doesn't matter, the constitution doesn't matter and what is right under the umbrella of liberty, doesn't matter. The only thing that matters to them is "buying" more votes from ignorant, naive and hopelessly dependent people by nationalizing American Health Care, to once and for all put a progressive/liberal/socialist/Marxist hold on the balance of power in the United States of America, in perpetuity. Never have so few trampled on so many free souls and apparently, so far at least, without consequences.

It was a mushy, sickening sight to behold as Speaker Pelosi and the other traitors she hangs out with, poured adulation and praises on themselves for the treason they had just committed. They even had the gall to say that what they did was bi-partisan. They had the audacity to say that what they did was for the American people. But what they did was a traitorous act AGAINST the American people, against the principles of freedom, against the free market, against capitalism and in direct violation of their solemn oaths to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States. What they did was to have pierced the heart of America with an arrow, laced with the poison of deceit and lies.

How dare they "thrust" a 2,000-page bill down the throats of hard-working Americans to provide health care for illegal aliens and fund abortion. How dare they threaten fines and jail terms for not complying with a law that is not only unconstitutional, but that almost no one has read, including those that passed it. How dare they pay for this monstrosity by denying health care for our senior citizens. How dare they say that the bill will only cost a trillion dollars (a Trillion Dollars mind you) and is revenue neutral, when not one single bill ever passed by congress has ever been revenue neutral and most entitlement laws cost many factors above the original projections. How dare they nationalize the health care industry and stick their noses into the private, individual lives of Americans. But worst of all, how dare they exceed the enumerated powers as specifically delineated in the Constitution under Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 1 through 18. That in and of itself is a treasonous act and should be dealt with harshly.

Nevertheless, in spite of the glee that the "Pelousi" gang expresses for passing the health care bill in the House on the late evening of the 7th day of November in the year of our Lord 2009, it is still along way from passage. The Senate must now pass a companion bill and then the two bills must be merged in conference committee. Both Houses are a long way apart at this writing. So the Bill the House just passed, in all likelihood, won't look anything like the final bill, even if there is a final bill. Maybe it will be 4,000 pages that no one has read. Maybe it will be so complicated that a thousand lawsuits will be brought before the United States Supreme Court and there it will be torn to pieces, or shot down in its entirety. We can only hope. But even worse, if the health care does pass, it will provide more opportunities for emotionally and financially draining lawsuits between aggrieved parties, egged on by lawyers who make their living of off human weaknesses and interpreting laws that no one else can understand.

What transpired on this dark night of November in the House of Representatives, represents one of the six pillars of enslavement that the progressives in power are attempting to achieve. They are well on their way to reaching their goal. Nationalized health care will control all of our entire private, personal lives. Cap and Trade legislation will control all of America's energy. The Clean Water Restoration Act will control ALL waters of the United States. Several bills in the Congress are designed to control all food produced on the productive soils of this great land. An international treaty, if ratified by the Congress, will bring gun control to America, in spite of the Second Amendment. The National Environmental Policy Act, the Marine Mammals Act, the Salmon Recovery Act and the Endangered Species Act (and too many more acts and laws to mention here), administered by the Environmental Protection Agency, will control all land in America. When the progressives control your health, your land, your water, your food, your energy and your guns, you will have been ensnared in a trap that they have been laying for you for the last 80 to 100 years, while you were sleeping.

So we say, now is the time to yell it from the roof tops of America. Scream it from the highest peaks of all the mountains. Aggressively speak it at government meetings, town halls, protests and civic assemblies. Mean these words with all your heart and commit your lives, your fortunes and your sacred honor to them, because it will take that commitment if we are to win:

AMERICANS WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT!

He who thinks we will, does so at his or her own peril.

There is a way to win you know. DO THE NUMBERS! (http://www.narlo.org/dollar.html)

Ron Ewart, President
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RURAL LANDOWNERS
P. O. Box 1031, Issaquah, WA 98027
425 222-4742 or 1 800 682-7848
(Fax No. 425 222-4743)
Website: www.narlo.org

got to be careful . The Senate does not need to play ball with obama or Reid. If he Senate gives em a compromise bill, the bill goes back to the committee which is far left, and quite possibly a bill worse than the House's could be drawn up, and thats the bill you have to vote on. Senators need to absolutely not compromise.

Its our final chance for Senators to respond to the majority! WE don't want it!

You better pray it fails. You're going to be paying for it, and you won't be covered if you're over 18 and a student. It's time to get a job, but there aren't many with unemployment continuing to rise under BHO. You're going to have to have insurance, whether you like it or not, and BHO is not going to pay it for you. You're going to have to be responsible to have health care insurance. The government isn't going to give it to you. If you can't afford car insurance, think about what it's going to take to pay a health insurance premium, even if it's just $150 a month.

You can expect more layoffs and unemployment since employers will be required to provide health care insurance to it's employees. Without having to pay for healthcare benefits, people could get paid a higher wage. There's going to be more cutbacks.

I've always defended paying people a higher wage, but there were ways to do those without hurting your bottom line. Oh well, I was trying to look after people that I've had as employees in the past. They couldn't afford health insurance even when I was paying them $2-$3 above minimum wage, which at that time was $5.75, and I was paying them $8- $9, before when minimum was $4.25, I was paying $6.00 - $7.50 to have faithful employees. Minimum wage is now $7.25, and employeers are cutting back.

Well, Sideliner there goes your dollar menu. Mickey D's ain't going to be able to have a dollar menu, pay $7.25, plus be required to provide health insurance. You asked for change, you got it.