http://www.footballfoundation.org/pdf/BCS2...DG.11.15.09.pdf

I wonder what it will take to get USC out of the top 20...they looked like a bottom 10 team yesterday and I enjoyed every second of it.....

It's nice to see TCU and Boise State in the top 10....I wonder if Boise has had any takers on their offer to play any BCS team, anywhere, without a return engagement to Boise???

After OU played them in the Fiesta Fiasco, OU offered them a 2 for 1 and they declined.

Maybe they should call them up again...they just put this out 2 weeks ago.....Sounds like they have become desperate to get a stronger schedule.......

hey, why are u worried about USC. They are awful. Everyone knows. U
sound like a Texas fan that is holding a grudge or some reason. If
anything u should be happy that tcu didn't jump u because
tcu is the only team out of the top 4 that has beaten 3 current top 25 teams. And they blew them all out. And one of them could very well become the acc champion.

Tribesman, what would a UT fan have to hold a grudge against USC for? UT fans don't have any grudge against USC. We beat you for the national championship a few years back. TCU is awesome, but I don't think a non-BCS school will jump a BCS school if said BCS school is undefeated. Jerry Palm agrees with that logic as well, so I feel pretty comfortable about TCU not jumping UT so long as UT stays undefeated.

Tribesman, I've been intending to ask you why you have so much angst for Texas and Texas fans. So, why is that?

lol...shows how much you know....I can't stand anything from California.....go read the political threads.....

FYI: I am a fan of SFA and LSU......

California is too expensive. I was there a few days this past spring, and quickly became ready to come back to Texas.

Oh well.....

I have told everyone why I hate ut so many times on here. It's not because they beat us in the nc. But I still think USC was the better team. But that's neither here nor there. It's that even now I see rednecks wearing their 2005 national title shirts amd it seems like they are still printing them to this day and I still think they are living in the past and whenever I say I'm a USC fan the first thng out of ut fans mouths is "y'all ####! We beat y'all! Yeehaw!" and then I mention we have 11 national titles and 7 heisman trophy winners and they can't even come close to that and the. They say it's the past but then I think that the nc 5 years ago is in the past. Then they mentionhow we lose to bad teams then I mention a&m and k state and then they go back to the. We still beat y'all then I tell them the winoss record is 4-1in favor of USC head to head and then they tell me I'm dumb. They have nothing of importance to argue. Anywhere I go and I see burnt orange, 65% of the people wearing it probably don't have a high school education and are the trashiest people I've seen and have the worst grammar I've heard. Not all Texas fans are like this so let's get in clear. Texas is an amazing university. Bit the people that cheer for them are pathetic. That's where I get my hatred.

That's about the most absurd post I've ever seen. 65% of Texas fans don't have an education & are trash and the inference is I guess that 99% of USC fans are PHDs and the upper crust. How come California is bankrupt & Texas economy is doing well?

Why don't you move to CA so you won't have to be around us hicks?

We live in the past, but you talk about 11 National titles. Those weren't exactly in the last few years Jack. What a post!

FAIL

Ok I take back the high school education thing, that was rude. And about Texas not being effected as much in the economy is because if oil and everyone needs oil. And I only bring up the national titles when they bring up their national title in 05.

You probably shouldn't complain about people's grammar. Also, you can't hear grammar... it is the written word.

FAIL!!!

Wow. You are a grammatical wizard....lol!!

I see I struck a nerve in Texas fans. I realize you can't start a sentence with the word and. It's just funny to see everyone jump on me because I start a sentence with the word and. I'm talking more about when Texas fans use the owed ain't like it's going out of style. Also when they use double negatives. But that's fine Texas fans, be as critical as you want. Next year will be different for y'all. The longhorn schedule will be easier but I promise you won't go undefeated. It's also just funny that you all believe y'all are the best yet you haven't played an above average team all year. I don't consider Oklahoma state above average since they lost dez Bryant and that Kendall hunter was out as well in the game.

My post had nothing to do with starting a sentence with and; that is perfectly fine in the literature and forum world today. It was the rest of your post. See, if you are going to badmouth and trash talk someone, you should at least be acceptable in the area you are badmouthing and trash talking about. You said a majority of UT fans have the worst grammar you've ever "heard." Yet your grammar is terrible. Go to bed now because you need to get up early and head into tutorials with your ELA teacher. (Check this out.) And why are you talking about next year? Don't be such a crybaby because USC has three losses. They were over-rated in the early polls this year. They'll get better as some of their players gain experience. (I'm going to do it again.) And you are most likely correct that UT will not go undefeated next year. They will be breaking in a new QB much like USC is doing this year. Make no mistake though my young TAKS under achiever, USC is not losing because of their offense; their defense has been stinking it up at times this year!!! Thanks for playing, and study up for the "editing" portion of your TAKS test - you are going to need it.

Well if we are soo smart then we would know the word former means once apart of. Meaning, I've already graduated. When I was in school we took the TAAS test. Not the TAKS test. I was academically recognized. By the way, you can have bad grammar when speaking. That's why I said I've ever heard. I said nothing about the people on this forum. So why don't u stop thinking I'm talking directly to you, you underachieving moron.

Washington, Oregon, Stanford.

What year did you graduate from USC? My diploma from UT is 1977.

I suspect 85% of the folks wearing USC gear have not graduated from college. Every successful school has them. I have to admit when I see a North Texas t-shirt, I assume they attended college or have a relative at school there.

Now are you one of those pathetic Horn haters with an upside down horn in your rear window. If there is one thing worse than a t-shirt fan, it is a t-shirt hater.

As an out-of-state school, Texas fans are loved in Southern California.

82% of the people who go to usc are too stupid to get in to Texas......You talk about the Texas fans living in the past, talking about the Longhorns beating usc for the national title...but then you turn right around and say that usc is going to come back next year ...so i guess your trying to live in the future...which is just as bad....live in the now...Texas is undefeated and your trojans ####

Strongly disagree with that statement. USC is a very good school academically and have a strong alumni base.

Yea he says that UT fans live in the past and all he can talk about is all their past national titles and hiesman winners. Wow some people on here crack me up!! UT is gonna play for the national championship this year (fingers crossed) and USC dosent deserve to be ranked, so this guy should probably just sit threads that compare the two out from now on.

If u read my post, I would have been clear that I only bring up national titles an heisman winners when they bring up the national title. Ive also said Texas was an amazing university. I also said Texas was undefeated but u could also contribute that to an absolutely weak schedule. Texas has turned it around lately with dominating performances. I just don't like Texas because all I see is rednecks talking #### because their team is undefeated and they think that they have played the hardest teams ever this year.

I agree about playing a weak schedule. Nothing like the SEC.....but the PAC 10......please....USC's conference is weaker IMO.

After the Big 12 Championship, it is conceivable that UT will not have played a team ranked in the top 25 at the end of the regular season.

Exactly, and I keep asking the Texas fans to please tell me who Texas has beat. They will not answer me. And I get bashed for supporting LSU and the SEC???? Freak'n t-shirt fans...that's it.....

Just curious, but did you attend USC? What years? What did you get your degree in? USC fans are the MOST OBNOXIOUS people on earth. Wait, I will amend that, USC is the most obnoxious place on earth. I absolutely HATE USC. I am from Southern California. I would take UT and it's fans ANY DAY over an SC fan or team. I really think that outside the media, Hollywood and their own graduates, most everyone in this country hates SC.

That said, USC, at this point in the season, with their record, does not deserve to be in the top 25. They stayed in the top 10 for about 7 weeks too long! It is ridiculous that anyone can consider their overall schedule tough. It is not tough, especially when compared to UT, AL, and FL.

Ok, I am done. Nothing I hate more than a Texan that loves SC!

I pose the same question to you - who has LSU beat?

A team can only play the schedule that they have in front of them. OU has been ranked as high as #3, OSU has been ranked as high #5, Kansas in the Top 15 as well as Missouri. Looks like Texas might play Nebraska in the BIG XII Championship. Nebraska has been in and out of the Top 25. The non-conference schedule is weak this year - partly because Arkansas dropping UT from their schedule and begging to be re-scheduled in 2014. They didn't want to play UT and A&M in the same year.

Bottomline is a team can only control themselves. The BIG XII is not as strong this year as it has been in the past, but the same thing can be said of the SEC. Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn and even Tennessee have not played up to the level as most thought prior to the season.

I've said I don't think USC should be ranked, so let's quit being ignorant. That's why I think what I think about Texas fans. Oregon, Stanford would beat just about any team in the big 12 and give Texas
a good run. Texas is really good right now. Bit early on they would have lost to anyone
with a chest hair

Are you a graduate of USC?

No I am not. But I'm moving to las Vegas in march and going to unlv for hotel management, and then hopefully finish at USC

No, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

So...what you're saying is that you're a T-shirt fan?

I wish you success and hope you get admitted into USC. Until then you are no different than the t-shirt Horn fans you talk about. I suspect in USC glory years under Carroll you talked a little smack to those Texas fans. Now it hurts when its turn around is fair play.

Personally I don't dislike USC or Pete Carroll. He is a great coach for a great program - just like Mack Brown and Texas. I know I'm in the minority though. Now the coach at UCLA, I put him in the select class of Barry Switzer and Jackie Sherrill - that is low class.

I don't think I'm a tshirt fan. But if u say so. Thank u for the wishes. I love USC and hope to be apart of their university. If not so be it. I just hope that everyone realizes I dislike a percentage of Texas fans but I respect the graduates, the
school and sports programs. I also think their schedule has een lackluster an that they would have lost earlier in the year if they would have played someone decent.

One word answers your question...

EVERYONE!

I don't think LSU can say that...can they?

The definition of a t-shirt fan is one who is a fan of a school that they never attended, nor have any ties to at all (ie: family members who attended) You have constantly derided UT t-shirt fans in most of your posts, and here you are, exactly as they are. Gonna get political here--but you must be a liberal to even want to go to UNLV and then USC when there are very good universities to attend right here in Texas. JMHO.

I have told everyone why I hate ut so many times on here. It's not because they beat us in the nc. But I still think USC was the better team. But that's neither here nor there. It's that even now I see rednecks wearing their 2005 national title shirts amd it seems like they are still printing them to this day and I still think they are living in the past and whenever I say I'm a USC fan the first thng out of ut fans mouths is "y'all ####! We beat y'all! Yeehaw!" and then I mention we have 11 national titles and 7 heisman trophy winners and they can't even come close to that and the. They say it's the past but then I think that the nc 5 years ago is in the past. Then they mentionhow we lose to bad teams then I mention a&m and k state and then they go back to the. We still beat y'all then I tell them the winoss record is 4-1in favor of USC head to head and then they tell me I'm dumb. They have nothing of importance to argue. Anywhere I go and I see burnt orange, 65% of the people wearing it probably don't have a high school education and are the trashiest people I've seen and have the worst grammar I've heard. Not all Texas fans are like this so let's get in clear. Texas is an amazing university. Bit the people that cheer for them are pathetic. That's where I get my hatred.

All of the "we's" and "us's" lead me to believe that you were part of the USC program.... So tell me what postion you played and when you were there? Maybe you were a trainer? Maybe you were just a student during the glory years.... Fill me in on when you contributed? The truth is you probably have never even been to LA - if you had, you probably wouldn't be such a fan. I'm telling you, USC is quite possibly the snobbiest place in the US. Until you have been there and experienced the "better than you" attitude 95% of students/alumni have you really can't even imagine how unbelievably arrogant they are.... Maybe you are a "soap dropper" I don't know....

I only wish that Stanford would have converted on that 2 point conversion at the end....Like Woody Hayes said when asked why he went for 2 against Michigan when he was winning 36 to 0, "Because they I couldn't go for 3".......

You talk about my grammar... It's just a joke. Don't talk about English to me.


Anyways back to the task at hand. Well by definition I'm a tshirt fan. I'm moving because I don't want to be in east Texas
anymore. In my life I didn't expect to stay here after I graduated and yet I did because I was lazy and didn't do anything about it. Now I'm trying to do what I had set out for in my life. There is nothig wrong with east Texas. It's beautiful and I will
probably come back to raise a family here. I want to graduate from a prestigious school and USC has always caught my eye. Just as I'm sure ut caught so many of yalls eyes. As for the we's and us's. I'm sorry that I say that but I'm sure you've also said we or us before. It's out of habit. At least I say we and us not only when we are winning I say it no matter what. I stick behind my team even when we are having a bad season.

Good Luck - you know it is a private school

$38,570 Tuition
1,020 Student Health Insurance
556 Student Health Service fee
145 Student Season Football Tickets
614 Mandatory fees: Student Programming, Student Services, and Topping Aid
11,458 Room and board (rent & meal plans)
1,500 Books and supplies
896 Personal / Miscellaneous
586 Transportation (parking permit)

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$55,340 Total Cost per Year

wow! that is just about the cost of a 4 year degree at UT, right? and that is for one year? and USC is no more prestigious than UT, probably less so. (UT is considered the Harvard of the south and west for it's rigorous academics) and no, I am most certainly NOT a UT fan (as evidenced by my TT at the left!)

It's just money. Why is everyone trying to tell me how bad it is.

Texas will run you the mid $22k a year.

formertribesman - just making sure you don't play while in Vegas, if you are going to keep your eye on your dream - dating a sweater girl at USC.

It's just money? $55,000 a year is more than "just money". That's 2 years salary for some people. It's good to know that you're more wealthy than Bo Pilgrim. Enjoy your stint in the west. I hope everything goes well for you.