What are the seeds for the 12-4A doubles district looking like?
1. Nac (clady/ventura????(rumor)) 2 Pinetree (hemphill/jang) 3 Jacksonville(ross/taylor) 4 Whitehouse (new team of mckown/nutt) or Whs 3 and Jville 4?

I think the top two seeds will definately come from Nac and PT. Jacksonville's Ross and Taylor are pretty good(probably a 3 seed), but don't know if they can hang with PT or Nac. The Whitehouse team you mentioned played together some in the Fall. I know Kilgore's #2 doubles beat them at that time, so I wouldn't think they would be strong enough to be seeded.....unless they have come a long way since then. PT, Nac, and J'ville are loaded with good senior boys. Whitehouse does have Sexton, who should compete for a singles spot.

A few PT guys are not playing in the spring because of other sports

well bulldogtennis...if we go back to the fall season then mckown/laperriere of Whitehouse were playing together who took PT to three sets and mckown/laperriere took Jacksonville's ross and taylor to three sets too which they could not close out both third sets and mckown/laperriere beat henderson and marshall in straight sets...and im not sure about losing to kilgore...i believe mckown had a pior activity that he had to attend too and they lost to nac...so from those sats i believe that you can say Whitehouse can defently compete with PT and Jacksonville...but in any event this is spring tennis and doubles teams do change the Doubles A team from Whitehouse is now mckown/nutt which was changed at the Tyler Lee Tournament on 3/2...which they DID NOT play at all in the fall tennis season...and they lost to a strong sulfor springs doubles team in the semi-finals and ended up getting 3rd in that tournament...and in the Eastman Tournament they made it to the quater finals...which was farther then the jacksonville team...and lost to PT but with more experience that they should be getting over spring break i believe that they will be able to compete with all the doubles teams in this district...so before you say they are not strong enough to be seeded what would be the facts saying they shouldnt have the 4th seed?...and who would be the 4th seeded team in that event that Whs was not strong enough to be seeded? and yes there is one other thing besides Nac and PT getting the 1 and 2 seed..in the event that clardy and ventura do play together....whitehouse does have a very good boys singles play named sexton who will most likely be seed 1, 2, or 3 depending on who nac puts in the singles draw and how the coaches decide to seed the players on their confirence call

Dang...looks like I struck a nerve. Didn't know you were from Whitehouse. I didn't respond to strike up a debate. If they have done something this spring to earn them a seed...good for them. I have nothing against the guys. It should come down to who beat who head to head. If they have placed in several tournaments, that will help too. I don't really care who the 3rd or 4th seed is. It isn't THAT big of an advantage over not being seeded. You still have to pull off some upsets....just later in the tournament. As far as seeding goes, everything will come down to how the coaches do thier lineup, and who the kids have beaten. Good luck to Whitehouse, except against Kilgore.
By the way, if Nutt and McKown didn't play together vs. Kilgore last fall, then the names weren't written correctly on the line up sheet. I have the newspaper clip and it says they played together and lost 6-1,4-6,4-6.

haha its alright bulldogtennis...i pretty sure that nutt and mckown didnt play together...mckown had something he had to go to if i remember correctly...it was probably gilbreath and nutt(whs fall 3rd doubles team) who played in their place or laperriere and nutt who play but im not too sure how that all worked out...unless it was two years ago when mckown was a freshman and nutt was a junior then they might have played kilgore but im not sure if they ever played kilgore but if whitehouse doesnt get the 4th seed who do you think will?? and ive also heard now that gus clardy is playing singles and david balinger too for nac and that ventura will be playing mixed doubles...but thats all still not in stone...and then john clardy and his partner might be playing doubles for nac? and who is kilgore doubles team? lol

Kilgore has had thier 4 freshmen playing doubles. Don't know if it will stay that way though. They are good for freshmen, and they are getting a lot of good experience this year. I don't know about the 4th seed. That is too low of a seed to be able to guess at, plus it depends on who plays what.

that's just boys doubles! but yes if we are gonna have a argument for kilgore and obviously whitehouse then i might as well make my case for j'ville. well at least heres what i think as far as seeds go.
Boys Doubles
1. hemphill/ jang PT
2. the other pine tree team
3. mckown/ nutt wh
4. ross/ taylor j'ville

girls doubles
1. bradshaw/weaver j'ville
2. no. 1 nac team
3. no. 1 pt team
4. no. 1 henderson team

mixed doubles
1. bennett/ hanna j'ville
2. ventura/ robinson?? nac
3. kilgore
4. henderson

this is just based on whose played this year that i've seen in tournaments.

woh my bad i forgot that ross and taylor beat wh. so yeah switch them in seeds. overall this district is extremely weak doubles wise. singles should be exciting. and since we are talkin bout doubles might as well talk about singles.
again my thoughts

boys singles:
1. clardy nac
2. ballenger nac
3. day j'ville
4. sexton wh

girls singles:
1. fernandez nac
2. smith kilgore
3. day j'ville
4. henderson?

j han mckown and nutt havent played jville yet that was back in the days of mckown laperierre haha but it doesnt really matter...i thought sexton had a win over day...and sexton are ballenger are 1 and 1...i think...so that should be interesting to see how that all plays out i think...but other then guys singles and guys doubles...which could go either ways...id say your predictions look good to me
p.s i still need that autographed ball

is fernandez from nac really better than smith from kilgore? i've played both of these girls and kilgore was definatly tougher to beat than nac.

Yall forgot to mention Kilgore's top girls doubles team. They placed 3rd at Jac, 2nd at Longview, and 3rd at Spring Hill. I have not seen anything strong out of PT. Who has Nac been playing together? I also think Henderson is better than a 4th seed.

If you are from PG, you might be thinking of Lucinda Fernandez, instead of Jenetta Fernandez. Lucinda played A singles at the Longview Tournament. Jenetta is the better one. Jenetta did beat Haley in September, but they have not played since.

PT girls are pitiful, i dont see them seeded at all.

yea i would say the kilgor girls have a good shot at being seeded under the jacksonville girls

Your right, I did play Lucinda.

jenetta is a pretty strong player...i believe she got a few games off of jessica during tournaments last year and made it to regionals and lost in a match which she stopped playing her game and resorted to the other girls game of "moonball" but i believe shes improved greatly this year and has a chance at making it to state!

no not in this region... i'm sorry but i don't see anyone going to state out of 12-4a... just not our year. well maybe me!:tongue:

haha your right we got hp in our region haha well see how you and your partner do

day beat sexton in straights in the finals at lee btw

haha yea but day been beat by sexton too...and sexton and balinger at 1 and 1...ive got sexton all the way!

ok you obviously didn't see the match when sexton beat day. Robby was laying down on the court in pain, he had severe stomache cramps, even with that he took a set 6-1. plus it was earlier in the year when robby wasn't at his best. plus take into consideration that day is a super while sexton remains a champ.

haha well i guess well have to leave everything up to the coaches to decide weve only got a few more weeks to wait!

Any new thoughts after seeing the results/line ups from the Get Ready Tournament? I thought the Jeanetta/Lucinda F. doubles team would kind of mix some predictions up, if they play that way at district. The Henderson soccer team lost this weekend, so the Phenix girl will be available to play singles for Henderson. I don't think she has played any school tournaments this spring, and she didn't play in the Fall.

Nac's 1 doubles team's loss to THS's 2 team definitely didnt help their cause..especially this close to district.

naw i gotta say right now after the get ready i can at least give you the top two seeds.

Boys Singles
1. Ballenger (beating Day sealed it)
2. Day (losing to Ballenger sealed it, probably close with sexton for the 2 spot)

Boys Doubles
1. Clardy/ Ventura (yes still the best even with loss against t.high)
2. Hemphill/ Jang (don't think they have the support of the coaches to overthrow nac)

Girls Singles
1. Haley Smith (taking first at the get-ready only adds to the already brilliant spring)
2. Phenix (forgot her first name, solid player, though she hasn't played her resume preceeds her, 2 state appearances in doubles, gets the 2 b/c jack's soph. Day, hasn't played a tourney this year, but could take her in the tourney.

Girls Doubles
1. J & L Fernandez (this team is strong for a weak girl district, though they were smoked by the tough s.h. team, they are too strong hold on to the one)
2. Bradshaw/ Weaver (could possibly sneak into the one depending on how the coaches vote this tue., have upset the 2A state semifinalist from G.S., beaten Lake Highlands girls, have taken home 3 first place finishes, the top two seeds come down to how the coaches vote, what have you done for me lately? or strickly talent level

Mixed Doubles (there really are only 2 teams that deserve a seed)
1. Hanna/ Bennett only lost 3 matches this year (center (beat later 2,1), T. High (now have an indirect win over), and Spring Hill (took down in the finals of get ready) should waltz through district
2. Climer/ Carlson (have been solid at times, but they are too inconsistant and inexperienced, the kilgore duo will grab the seed over a good henderson team)

We will know for sure either tue, or wed.

All that looks good...I dont think Clardy/Ventura's loss to THS will show up until regionals. they may not be seeded as high as they could have been. Thats really unfortunate because they should not have lost to THS.

nuh uh... you forget that clardy and ventura lost to the 4A state champion HP doubles team at regionals in a third set tiebreak, i think they will grab a high seed at region, as long as they remain focused.

i didnt forget that... i just dont think theyll be seeded as high at regionals after losing to THS's 2 team who has already lost to several teams that arent that good.

Haha, i agree THSdude...me and McCloud beat James and Sam the other night 4 and 1.

I think you're right b..

Ok at the JV district tournament today the seeds were finally announced.

Boys Doubles:
1. Clardy/ Ventura Nac
2. Hemphill/ Jang PT
3. Johnston/ Lever PT
4. Ross/ Taylor Jac

Boys Singles:
1. David Ballenger Nac
2. Robby Day Jac
3. Chris Sexton WH
4. Richard Corbyn WH

Girls Doubles:
1. Fernandez/ Fernandez Nac
2. Bradshaw/ Weaver Jac
3. Cary/ Taylor Hen
4. Knowles/ Robinson Nac

Girls Singles:
1. Madison Phenix Hen
2. Haley Smith Kil
3. Katy Day Jac
4. Ashley McNew Hen

Mixed Doubles:
1. Bennett/ Hanna Jac
2. Carlson/ Climer Kil
3. Crumpler/ Sill PT
4. Hardy/ Squires Hen

The District Tournament will be held April 10-11 at Jacksonville High School, Jacksonville Middle School, and The Woods at Jacksonville (Formerly Cherokee Country Club).

no surprises there

have to say....what did pinetree second doubles team do to deserve the 3 seed..from my understanding that was the hallsville coach who made the swaying vote...but where has hallsville been at tournaments? jacksonville or whs shoudl have had the 3 or 4 seed...

that is jax #2 doubles team. they got by PTi n the fall

as in they won? cuase then jacksonville should defenlty be 3...

Sadly, seeding isn't always done right. Coach alliances are not an uncommon event. I think in Whitehouse's case, it was just the fact that they haven't played long together, so there weren't that many accomplishments. We are still trying to figure out how Haley wasn't seeded #1 over a girl who hasn't played a match since last school year....and that was in doubles.

I dont think seedings really make a whole lot of difference in District.

yea bulldogtennis im with you...haha some coaches at tounrys are buddy buddy with one another and others wont speak to eachother...all i can say about what many have happen in your situation is that phenix went to state last year...in doubles...that was probably the factor..but in any event phenix...in the same case as whitehouse...should have not been seeded due to lack of accomplishments this year and should have not been seeded based upon last years accomplishments...ive watched haley play and she seems to be a great singles player she should not have a problem making it to regionals and will probably have a match to prove herself against phenix!!!! which i wish her the best of luck in...if there is a girl that deserves it it is her!!!

i also believe that yalls mixed team has a chance at regionals too carlson/climer have been very strong throught out the year, but it should be a tough match up against jacksonville if both teams make it to the finals! and that match i cant take sides on becuase im friends with both teams but it should be a fun one to watch!

whs played henderson today...i wasnt able to watch phenix play but apperenlty from what i heard...she hadnt picked up a racquet until this monday haha...ill get the scores tomorrow from her and the whs girl and let you know....but apperently she lost to henderson 1 guy 2-6 when she was beating him last year...

phenix is a senior who has been to the state tourney twice, granted in doubles, haley, though has had some success, still is an underclassmen who hasn't proven herself against tought opponents. let's face it all the competition in 11 4a and 12 4a have gone the doubles route to avoid hp. it's unfortunate true, but i talked to haley and she said she didn't have a problem with it. Haley is no jessica wente, she's a good player, but the competition isn't there. and honestly i agree with THSdude, seedings don't mean crap in the district tourney because the players that should be in the hunt, are. there are hardly surprises.

Also the reason that pt's two team is ahead of jax's one dubs is because the two teams from the same school cannot be in the same half of the draw. if taylor and ross are on their game, look for an upset in the semis. their mental toughness will play a huge part into that.

o and btw the old district of kilgore, pt, hallsville, marshall have ALWAYS been in an alliance with each other, ever since they brought the two districts together in 04.

plus, though i hate to admit it, whitehouse, henderson, jacksonville, and nacogdoches have an alliance with each other. its just the way it has always been.

looking at the results, i wonder what happened to Kilgore's program. They used to always have a few players go to regionals...their program has been on the decline lately

It's not a huge deal that Haley didn't get 1st seed. It is not going to affect her at all in the tournament. She has beaten Ennis', Corsicana's, and Texas High's #1 singles this spring, as well as many others. She has only lost to two girls this spring. So, those are pretty good quality wins.

As far as the comment on Kilgore's strength as a team...you have to look at what they have this year. They have 5 underclassmen in the top 7 boys...4 of them are freshmen. The #1 boy is a sophomore. The #1 girl is a sophomore, and the girls have done pretty well this year, even though the girls doubles team didn't get seeded(lost the vote). Kilgore DOMINTATED the district as far as JV goes, so they have good kids coming up. Kilgore's strongest classes are the sophomore and freshman classes. They tied for 3rd in team tennis this past year, even with all the youth. Kilgore's team really has done better this year than most thought they would, and they should be stronger the next couple of years.

Also, unless some upsets happen, Kilgore should send 3 players to regionals this year...which counts as a "few". Last year, they didn't have any. I would say the decline was last year, and this year they are starting to build back up.

Who else did Haley lose to?

She lost to Spring Hill's Ashley Collier.

I agree with Bulldogtennis, Kilgore is building toward the future, the top two teams in the district (Jacksonville and Nacogdoches) are loaded with seniors. Next year will be a different story. For instance, Jacksonville will gain four strong boys as fish, but will not have ANY girls except for Day and Bradshaw. I saw the JV District tourney and the future there lies in Kilgore, unfortunately for me.

I'm not quite so sure it's the Kilgore team that's getting stronger. Perhaps it's more of the district getting weaker. Kilgore's team lacks outstanding talent, save Smith.

I agree that the decline in the team was last year with the loss of Stan, however I don't see the evidence that the team is building back up. I believe the kids are settling into the new structure of the team, but I can't see any considerable improvement happening with this new coach. The kids are frustrated with his lack of experience and knowledge, and it shows.

Right now, the team's strength is dependant upon private lessons, which many of the kids go to. Once the sophomores have graduated, there'll be no one left to compare the new coach's methods to Stan's or Chris Blair's. That's when it'll actually be his team, full of the current JV kids. And unless something in the new program changes for the better, if these kids are the future of tennis in this district, then East Texas tennis just won't be the same. And either way, Kilgore will never be the force that it used to be.

i think that's a little extreme. The youth of the team is probably the reason why theyre not performing at the level they did about 3 years ago. I think Kilgore will be fine in a year or two...

Yeah, they'll be fine, but it's excellence that everyone is striving for. The JV did extremely well at district, however I'm not sure that they are going to improve enough to become a major threat at the Varsity level.

I hope they prove me wrong!