panther55dad
Aug 11 2008, 10:41 AM

Did I mention I'm beginning to hate M&Ms.
bleeds
Aug 11 2008, 10:52 AM
Didn't NASCAR do what was tantamount to forcing the Toyotas to drag an anchor behind them so they wouldn't beat the Fords and Chevies so often?
Hmmm...What could be the problem now? Guess they're going to have them to start a lap or two down now.
etos10
Aug 11 2008, 12:33 PM
QUOTE (bleeds @ Aug 11 2008, 11:52 AM)

Didn't NASCAR do what was tantamount to forcing the Toyotas to drag an anchor behind them so they wouldn't beat the Fords and Chevies so often?
Hmmm...What could be the problem now? Guess they're going to have them to start a lap or two down now.
No NASCAR did not do that in Sprint Cup. That was strictly for the Nationwide Toyotas. And by the way, I am still sick of seeing that little shrub win.
bleeds
Aug 11 2008, 12:37 PM
My bad. Can't be far behind for the Sprint Cup Toyotas though.
etos10
Aug 11 2008, 01:35 PM
QUOTE (bleeds @ Aug 11 2008, 01:37 PM)

My bad. Can't be far behind for the Sprint Cup Toyotas though.
They won't do anything to the Toyotas till the offseason (if they do anything). Much as I sincerely dislike the shrub, I think that he will continue to win because he is a talented driver, so I don't think that any changes NASCAR forces on Toyota will change that. Shrubs downfall will be his own undoing. JMHO
bleeds
Aug 11 2008, 01:37 PM
Glad to see a shrub hater that thinks he and all the other Toyota drivers should be given a fair shake and not penalized for doing the one thing drivers are supposed to dol Go fast!
OBTS
Aug 11 2008, 03:57 PM
Kyle is a crazy good driver. He's a punk and I despise his sorry butt...but he's talented. Winning 3 road course races proves that his ability level is high because the cars are very similar here--it's not all wide open. This dominance has very little to do with Toyota--he's just on a huge roll right now and momentum is everything in NASCAR.
bleeds
Aug 11 2008, 04:14 PM
Why does everyone hate Kyle Busch?
He's brash, and drives on the edge, he's fearless. Those are the very things everyone loved Sr. for.
allsport
Aug 11 2008, 04:44 PM
If the make of the car doesnt have that much to do with it then why didnt he dominate last season when he drove for hendrick (best cars money could buy at the time)!!!Just sayin
BluePirate
Aug 11 2008, 04:51 PM
^ Was he driving like SR back then?
panther55dad
Aug 11 2008, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (bleeds @ Aug 11 2008, 02:37 PM)

Glad to see a shrub hater that thinks he and all the other Toyota drivers should be given a fair shake and not penalized for doing the one thing drivers are supposed to dol Go fast!
Bleeds, I never said nascars new golden boy wasn't a very talented driver in fact if you will look back I'm the one who predicted Kyle would get Toyota's first win in cup. Several people I know at hendrick motorsports wanted to take him out back and throw him a beating many, many times.
I JUST CAN'T STAND THE GUY!!
BluePirate
Aug 11 2008, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (Ladypanthers3dad @ Aug 11 2008, 05:59 PM)

I JUST CAN'T STAND THE GUY!!
... but he does drive like SR, right?
bleeds
Aug 11 2008, 06:56 PM
Is no one going to answer my question? Dude is just like Sr. was, and everyone loved Sr. So, why does everyone now hate Busch, even though he has many of the attributes of the most reveered driver ever in NASCAR?
My3Daughters
Aug 12 2008, 06:09 AM
What were you thinking Tony Eury, Jr?...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PIT PIT PIT PIT !!!!!!!Especially KNOWING that they were gonna throw the caution for that gravel that got slung onto the track. It had already happened once in the SAME spot. I flipped in my chair when I saw him drive past the pits and hits the start finish line with a courteous yellow caution flag!!!!! Went from 1st to 38th!!! What a goof!!!!
My3Daughters
Aug 12 2008, 06:17 AM
Bleeds,
Shrub can wheel a racecar no doubt. To me the jury is still out if he drives like Big E. He does have some of his tendencies. You have alot of old school nascar fans that loved Big E and he drove Chevy. Heck he could have drove a ford, for all I care, but Shrub drives a Toyota and some of, if not all, of the old school nascar hates the fact that toyota is winning Cup races and Shrub is the one doing it.
I won't go into a banter of how much of a chevy is actually made in America and so forth. Just that if the descrepancy is that great then the Big 3 need to get their collective heads out of the sand and do something about it. Plain and simple. And do I like Shrub?....Hell no!!!!!!!!!!!
bleeds
Aug 12 2008, 06:38 AM
QUOTE (My3Daughters @ Aug 12 2008, 07:17 AM)

...and some of, if not all, of the old school nascar hates the fact that toyota is winning Cup races and Shrub is the one doing it.
Then my recommendation to those old school NASCAR drivers is to drive faster.
Can't hate the guy just because he drives a Toyota...and drives it much faster, might I add. Especially since he's so much like Big E.
Bballer073001
Aug 12 2008, 09:27 AM
QUOTE (bleeds @ Aug 12 2008, 12:38 PM)

Then my recommendation to those old school NASCAR drivers is to drive faster.
Can't hate the guy just because he drives a Toyota...and drives it much faster, might I add. Especially since he's so much like Big E.
Dont hate him because of what he drives just dont like his attitude. The guy can drive the wheels off of a car but his actions toward the fans is another thing.
bleeds
Aug 12 2008, 11:39 AM
But that's my point. His attitude is very similar to Big E's when he was younger.
BluePirate
Aug 12 2008, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (bleeds @ Aug 12 2008, 12:39 PM)

But that's my point. His attitude is very similar to Big E's when he was younger.
In fact, you'd think he has modeled his behavior after Big E.
etos10
Aug 12 2008, 01:07 PM
QUOTE (BluePirate @ Aug 12 2008, 12:45 PM)

In fact, you'd think he has modeled his behavior after Big E.
If he has (and I really don't know because I never really watched NASCAR then) then I don't think I would have like Big E either. I hate that cocky, spit in the eye of the fans kind of attitude he has. Nearly every other driver appreciates the fans and the sport itself. I think the shrub only appreciates himself. JMHO
BluePirate
Aug 12 2008, 01:18 PM
Could it be just shitck? I'm thinking he appreciates both his fans and the sport.
etos10
Aug 12 2008, 01:54 PM
QUOTE (BluePirate @ Aug 12 2008, 02:18 PM)

Could it be just shitck? I'm thinking he appreciates both his fans and the sport.
If it was just shitck, I would think he would have made more friends in the business. From all indications, he is pretty well hated by all, including the other drivers (his own brother does not even have much to do with him)
bleeds
Aug 12 2008, 03:04 PM
But his sponsors love him.
BluePirate
Aug 12 2008, 03:08 PM
^ Which is why I thought it may be just shitck. The more attention he gets the more attention his sponsors get.
etos10
Aug 12 2008, 03:39 PM
QUOTE (BluePirate @ Aug 12 2008, 04:08 PM)

^ Which is why I thought it may be just shitck. The more attention he gets the more attention his sponsors get.
Not sure his sponsors love him. He does not sell well at the races and they make an awful lot of their money off those sales. In fact, at a NASCAR race, you will only see one trailer for shrub, whereas you will see at least 4 for Jeff, Jimmie and Jr (and all will have lines a mile long there) The trailer for Gibbs (which is for Denny and shrub) will have a few people there. The only Gibbs driver that sells at the track is Tony. He is the only driver outside of the Chevy drivers that will have more than one trailer. (and his trailers are for his gear alone)
bleeds
Aug 12 2008, 03:45 PM
If the sponsors didn't like him, he wouldn't be racing.
warhawk1432
Aug 13 2008, 02:10 PM
i really dislike this guy...he is the only one who can say his car is total junk ... cry all day about it and still win!
he is trying to convince us that it is all of his talent that lets him win and that his team and car are just in the way of his greatness!!!
man he has the best car ever sunday, the most horsepower and one of the best teams....that is why he is so good!!
he is a good driver but his attitude gets in the way for me!
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