BROOKLYN, Mich. (AP) — The No. 18 and No. 20 Joe Gibbs Racing teams in the Nationwide Series will likely face big penalties after efforts to alter the results of a chassis dyno test.

NASCAR inspectors, preparing to do tests on horsepower numbers following Saturday's Nationwide race at Michigan International Speedway, found magnets under the gas pedals on the two Gibbs Toyotas.

Just makes me wonder what their doing on the cup side.........

I'm Loving it!!!

There they go, picking on the Toyotas again.

http://sports.aol.com/nascar/story/_a/bbdp...3078x1200419433

Say it ain't so, Joe......

If you where to read it they impounded several cars and found that gibbs was cheating. Not that his team drives toyotas just that they cheated. wow get over it

"Where" to read it? Not following you.

Get over it?

So, do you hate all people who don't hate the Shrub, or just me?

Get over it.

Nope dont hate anyone just think its funny that when they get caught cheating just like other teams have u make a comment that nascar is picking on them. They tried to bend the rules and got caught now they have to pay. By the way the kid can drive the car he is just not fan friendly and thats the problem most people have

S'all good.

BTW, you're "Easy" button is showing.

Why would the Shrub concern himself with other driver's fans?

That has always been my question in Nascar as far as, "How much of what goes on in, on, or to the car does the driver know about?"....I posed that question to David Starr of the truck series one day on the phone and he said he was very aware of what was going on to his truck. Because at the end of the day if the car fails any type of inspection then usually the boom is lowered, from a fan standpoint, on the driver of the car. I have no doubt that Lagano and Stewart had no idea about the magnets on the gas pedals. But sometimes you wonder, or at least I do, when a car supposedly gets caught for cheating, if the driver knew what was going on.

I guess one of those things that make you go...hmmmmm

Didnt say other driver fans I said all Nascar fans

Good stuff M3D. But I would bet if Jr's car was found to have magnets on the accelerator, the Jr. fans would be coming out of the woodwork defending him. They would be hanging his crew, and extolling his virtues as the Chosen One.

My point is, it all a perspective thing. If the fans like the driver, for the most part, they'll defend him ("He didn't know anything about it.). If they hate him, like they do the guy that embodies Sr. even more than Jr. (and I'm talking about the Shrub), they'll throw him under the bus at the first opportunity.

If you cheat dont care who u r its cheating. If jr. cheats they should do the same thing with him and his team. I myself am a M. Waltrip fan and yes he got caught as well. This happens all the time. I think its a shame that one has to do this to get ahead of the curve. I really hate it for Joe Gibbs racing that a crew chief had to do this. Their team is good enough without taking a chance

Not a fan of the M. Waltrip. Too cocky. Not emergency crew-friendly.

You said, "he is just not fan friendly and thats the problem most people have"

So... are you a fan of the Shrub? If not, tell me why he would concern himself with you?

I am a fan of Nascar. I enjoy watching the races. Is shrub one of my favorites no but have nothing against him he is one heck of a driver.

well thats one persons opinion as others have theirs about shrub. I just admire him for starting a team of his own and working for himself like I do. My income depends on what I do not based upon a time clock. Never have seen him being cocky and not friendly to ems crews. But then again He is just the driver that I like and so be it

I'm a big fan of the Shrub for not being friendly to people who don't like him, much like Senior would do. BTW, Waltrip relentlessly bashed and disrespected the emergency crews trying to help him out of his wrcked car. He's a baby.

That's fine. You dislike the Shrub for your reasons. I dislike M. Waltrip for mine.

Several years ago, he crashed and flipped at a super-speedway. Might have been Daytona. Can't remember. Ended up on his top. The emergency crews, who are trained to deal with just such problems, were trying to get him out, so as to minimize the possibility of further injury to the driver. All the while, he was shouting at them "Just flip the car over and I'll get out by myself." They would not do that because they were trained in the best way to extricate a driver in a flipped car. M. Waltrip on the other hand, was not. He continued to berate them throughout the entire extication proceedure. After they successfully extricated him, he was being interviewed. He continued to berate the emergency crews, even though they were acting according to their training.

See, in Waltrip's mind, flipping the car over with him in it made perfect sense. However, he was unaware of the lateral forces imparted to a human body when a car rolls side to side. He could have very easily suffered a transected aorta in a roll like that. But he didn't know that because he knows about his job, not their's. And since he knows about his job, he thought he knew all aspects of NASCAR racing, including the safe extication of an occupant of a car on its top. Obviously, he was mistaken.

I'm a veteran firefighter of 24 years. I understand what those guys were doing. I also understand what it's like to have people who don't know anything about my job, telling me how to do it, while I'm doing it, then bashing me afterward for doing it according to my training. Suffice it to say, it's irritating at least, and at best, disrespectful.

Since then, I haven't had a lost of use for the M. Waltrip.

Yes I remeber him doing that and i also commend you on the job that you do. I really couldnt beleive he yelled at them at the time but i also beleive that the driver felt that it was taking to long for the saftey crews to get to the wrecks not just at this race but others as well

OK guys, lets get back to the cheating Toyota's.......easy...... bleeds don't pop a vein. I'm just messing with you a bit. Now I want to make it very very clear.....I don't care if it's the toy's, bowties, blue ovals or the dodge boys cheating is cheating.
I understand they were just trying to fudge the dyno numbers, but ok they were working the gray area. Well it's obvious gray area is making the rule book fatter. Yes, it's their jobs to find a advantage, but too much monkey business forces tarzan to drop the hammer on your banana.


http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/...test/index.html

Not to hijack, but it's important the drivers understand they emergency crews know more about rescue than they do. If fact, I'm pretty sure they believe something along the lines of "Drivers, we won't drive your cars if you won't tell us how to get you out of it when you wreck it."

The E-crews probably know more about extrication than the drivers do about driving.

You don't know anything about nascar odviously. Its the greatest sport ever. As a matter of fact. I think that they should make it an OLYMPIC Sport. Mike Phelps doesn't have anything on M. Waltrip. He is a true American Sport Icon. I think that you are the one that doesn't seem to know anything about your job. You are probably one of those guys that go around telling people that your a "veteran firefighter" when all you really are is a volunteer. Get a life.

Course, technically all NASCAR fans are other drivers fans to the shrub!

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Oh look. The "Get Your NASCAR Pick-Up Truck Rebel Flag" sale must have just ended and all the hayseeds have nothing to do now that they've mounted said flags to their bumpers with wire ties and baling wire. Don't forget the "In Loving Memory..." full backglass sticker so everyone will know you're a REAL fan.

BOOGITY! BOOGITY! BOOGITY!

Please.

um bleeds, please tell me this was directed at Coletrickle and not me!

Oh yeah! Sorry. The two arrows means it's in response to the post two above mine.

BTW, I'm betting ol' Cole is about to hit the wall. And as he said "This is gonna hurt."

BTW, coletinkle, Atwoods is running a sale on plaid shirts with the sleeves cut out, and already greasy fertilizer company caps. Better hurry though, they posted it on the Jr. website and they're going fast.

Thanks Bleeds, I wondered if the arrows meant that, but I had to be sure. I have to say that was quite an obnoxious post by Mr. Trickle.

I could be wrong, but I'm bettin' this is someone I suspended when I was a mod, with a new account and a new screen name.

As I used to say, back on topic.

coletrickle01,

You have every right to an opinion about NASCAR, and your passion is great, but in referencing to wrecks and emergency services, bleeds and blue pirate know about as much about that as anyone on this site.

They do that for a living.

Whatever goes from here---you know his background.

He also loves me like a brother, so I'm picking up for him.

Smoaky

Why Smoaky, I didn't know you cared...

Where did Buck Bretherton's understudy run off to?

Why in the heck would someone register to make a comment on this topic. What I really like about this site is people like bleeds and myself can have a conversation about things and not get into a name calling tiff. the one thing I dont like and smoaky took care of it is someone signing up and causing trouble. Now back on topic I wonder how stiff the penalties will be today. I really hate it for Joe and J. D

The one thing about Nascar is that they are usually consistent with the penalty punishment. You have to think that driver points, owners points, and crew chief suspensions are coming. Just how much and how long is the question. I would say a little more severe that the usual 150 driver and owners points, 6 race suspension for the crew chief and 150,000 dollar fine. But Joe Gibbs runs a tight organization and whoever is responsible for what happened will probaly get a permanent suspsension, as in canned!!!

Did they fail the dyno test after the shims were removed?

Those taken were the Roush Fenway Racing Fords of #60-Carl Edwards and #16-Greg Biffle, the Toyotas of Braun Racing’s #32-Brian Vickers and Joe Gibbs Racing’s #20-Tony Stewart and #18-Joey Logano, the Chevys of JR Motorsports’ #5-Mark Martin and #88-Brad Keselowski, Phoenix Racing’s #1-Mike Bliss and Richard Childress Racing's #2-Clint Bowyer and the Dodge of Chip Ganassi Racing’s #40-Dario Franchitti

That's a good question Blue?..Been wondering the same thing myself...

How ridiculous would it be if the dyno test was good after the shims were removed? There's nothing worse than a cheater that cheats so often that when he doesn't cheat he believes he must have, so he cheats in an attempt to cover it.

any word on the fines yet

I have not seen anything yet on the net. A good place to look when it does happen:

www.jayski.com

Pretty good nascar site with news and info on driver changes, paint schemes for cars. They have a plethra of infomation for the nascar fan!!!