PT ahead 1-0 in first half

1-1 at the half............

1-1 @ half

still tied with 15 minutes remaining in second half

Come on Lindale!!

overtime

First half of overtime done still tied 1-1

Lindale scores on PK with one minute left in second OT

Is it final then? Lindale won?

WOW......must have been a good take down to call with 1 minute left.

Congrats to Lindale and Lawless.

Good luck in the finals against Poteet

Final.
Congrats Lindale and Lawless!

Tough way to go out for PT. I assume the penalty must have been a no brainer for any ref to give a PK in that situation.

Lindale 2-1, Final. On fluke handball call for a pk.

Had to have been a clear goal scoring opportunity to call but I'd love to hear the details.

Great season for both teams! Good Luck to the Eagles...

I know it was a tough way to end it, but I guess the call was one that would be just as tough to not make...

Let's go Region 2!

I think they might be talking about this one for awhile unless the kid used his hand to knock it down.

OMG congratulations LINDALE!!! I KNEW you all could do it. This is a great group of young men right here, and a dang good coach! Good luck tommorow against Mesquite Poteet, there good at pretty much everything so make sure that you kick their butts, but I heard they're offense was weak! Good job Joey LUGO!!! and Enoch. Way to represent the LINDALE BAND JOEY!! ha--that's our soccer player from the trumpet section that scored the first goal!

Lindale was awarded a corner with a little over a minute left. The ball was played in and kicked around. #29 (I think) from Lindale took a shot and the PT goalie made a great diving save. When he landed, he must have shaken himself up and the balled rolled free. One of the PT players went and picked the ball up (he must have thought the ref stopped play) and the referee immediatly blew the whistle. The PT player went to the side of the net and knelt down, knowing what he had just done. Lindale player put the ball in the top right corner over the keeper for the goal. This game was headed for a shootout. I feel for the PT player. These teams were about as evenly matched as they could be. The center ref let a lot of calls go, and it was a pretty physical match, but none that benefited either team. Great season for Pine Tree. I know it doesn't mean much right now. Good luck to Lindale.

WOW........that is all I can say. I can only imagine how that poor young man feels at this moment.

I sure do feel for that PT player! That's gotta be tough.
Congrats to Lindale and GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!

Lindale played a great game against a great opponent. Lindale won the game 2-1 on a crucial handball that was the correct call. It is a tough way for Pine Tree to go out but it was the right call. Joey Lugo and Enoch Shipman scored the two goal for the eagles. It should have been 2-1 earlier when but the line judge after a goal was scored called offsides. The call was completely wrong because he was even with second to last defender and the ref just didnt have the ***** to call the goal. Norris scored the offsides called goal which should have stood. The referee was not very good at all. Multiple times the Pine Tree players took Lindale to the ground and there were no calls. Pine Tree had many tall and good players especially Kulak(if thats spelled right). This game and the Mount Pleasant game could very possibly be in the running for the game of the region and maybe even state.

The Eagles play tomoro at 1:30 against MESQUITE POTEET. Go eagles

Umm, sore winner? Why complain about the officiating when your team is one game away from state? Just be pleased that they were fortunate enough to move on and leave it at that. Surely the late handball offset the earlier missed calls. I'm not saying it was a wrong call, just that Lindale did nothing to earn the PK (at least according to the earlier post by SoccerJones).

SoccerJones, were you at the game? I was, and after talking to several PT parents and some Lindale parents as well as several coaches nobody saw what you posted. I would like to know where that story came from. Even the college coaches that were there did not see what you reported.

My cousin plays for Lindale and was on the field during this game. He told me that the only player that
picked up the ball was the goalie. PK call was made on a PT player that fell down in front of the goal
when a kid named elijah crossed it. He never saw any player grab the ball other than the goalie.
He was socked to get a PK but glad it did not go into shootout.

I will speak with the Kulaks about this and inquire. I am sure there are myriad accounts as to what happened...but it must have either been completely blown OR there was obvious handling inside the PA. I simply cannot see a PK awarded with a minute left in OT without there being a flagrant take down or denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by committing a foul.

I would love to get more information on this from those who saw it first hand.

This wuz a very physical and hard fought game, both sidez of the ball. yes, the ref made some bad callz for lindale and im sure he made some for pine tree az well. I will admit that i have never seen a game az good az that in high school soccer. Even tho it wuz jus the regional semi-finalz, that game wuz INCREDIBLE!!!! Great season Pine Tree, and good job to everyone on that team

Then please enlighten me as to why the referee blew his whistle. I saw no take down. All I saw was the PT player moving to the side with his head down as if he has committed a foul. And a PT player did pick up the lose ball. I have spoken with others as well and they believe this to be fairly accurate in their eyes. I would still like to know exactly what the referee saw! I am certain there are multiple takes on just exactly what happened.

Did the Referee consult with his AR at all? Was there a disqualification for interfering with an obvious goal scoring opportunity?

Just curious.

BTW, Congrats to Pine Tree and Coach Lo on an outstanding season. I believe PT graduates 12 this year, which will provide a huge challenge next season.

Good luck to Lindale.

i didnt see any foul or anything. i have no clue what the call was and anyone around me wasn't sure either. you dont make that goal that late. too big of a game to make that call and not see anything for sure. PT got robbed but lets go eagles and make it to state for east texas. we will be there

That is really unfortunate that is how the game ended. Lindale has met
some tough opponents the last 2 matches which is appropriate this far
into the playoffs. Sounds like everyone got the match they wanted.
Maybe not the result but the 2 teams are very evenly matched and was
a great game up until that last little bit. Tough break. Looked like it was
heading to a shootout. Good season PineTree. Good Luck Eagles.

Unfortunately, for those who think a foul committed in the 1st minute should be weighed differently than one committed in the last, the Laws of the Game and Rules (for NFHS) do not accomodate differentiating that. I believe an official would have to make that call if there was an obvious foul, a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity, or handling where it was deliberate.

That being said, if it was close or iffy, then "play on" may be the appropriate application of Law 18 and then see what the outcome is.

But if it was clear, blatant, or denied a goal, then this was the correct, albeit difficult, decision.

What is absolutely ridiculous is that on more than one occasion these game deciding penalties are given when they should not. The foul outside the box a minute prior to that on Pinetree was more of a foul then whatever that ref called. Every player on that field was getting ready for a goal kick. The only person preparing for a pk was the ref. Therefore, not one person but the ref believed that it was a foul. Not many people remember but the last time Pinetree was in a regional championship against Richardson Pearce the exact same thing happened.

The Texas Referrees Association has got to have some sort of clinic where the message is put across how making game deciding pk's are unethical. They are there to keep the game flowing not to be the stiff arm on deciding games. Too often we have seen refs give out pks without discussing with their AR's what happened or what they saw. I get sick of listening to refs say that they get treated badly when they have no idea the impact they have on players that have laid their hearts out on a field for the entire year. You do not call a pk with 1 minute in the 2nd overtime unless you absolutely without a doubt know that you are correct in what you called. Your call can impact the heart of a child for a very long time. I know that a refs job is hard. However, this is something that refs have to got to have as a code of ethic.

Lindale you played very well. You kept your composure the entire game. Pinetree you have had one hell of a soccer year. Longview is very proud of your accomplishments. You will go down as one of the Most Successful Boys Pinetree teams. You won district and went undefeated in district.

Texas Referee's Association = 404

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so this is the story for all of you who have heard otherwise.. i was five yards away. one of the twins dribbled to the goal line the crossed it back and one of our players was sliding to block the cross as anyone would. the ball bounced over his arm and the ref though it hit his arm and so he called the pk. an absolutely ridiculous call because many other times players were trapping the ball with their hand and the ref wasnt calling it. the ref was horrible. to give that kind of call in that big of a game with that much time left is ridiculous but o well... it happens. goodluck next year to all.


and yes our keeper hit his neck on the post when he blocked on of the twins shots and it hurt him pretty bad.

Celtic 09 is right, there is no difference in when a foul is called, timing or situation of the game is not a factor. If it IS a foul, then it should be called, regardless of the time.
I did not see the play, or know any details, but that is not relevant to the point.
Referees do not "make PK's", they call fouls. If a penalty kick is warranted, those are the laws of the game. If the player makes or misses it is a separate event. A penalty kick that happens in the first minute for the same call would have the same effect, just not the emoition of happening in the last minute of OT.

we also had a guy taken down from behind in the box a few minutes before the "handball" and it wasnt called.. the ref misses so many other calls but makes a call that decides that game in the last minute.. its frustrating

If you did see the play and the game u would understand the frustration of the players and the fans. All that is being said is that unless it is a clear penalty DONT CALL IT!!! When everyone on the field didnt see it but the ref did something is wrong. The Lindale fans didnt even know it was a pk till about 2 mins later when the field got cleared for a goal kick and the ref was putting the ball on the pk mark. Then the fans erupted happy. Its understandable that if its a penalty in the game or a foul it should be called. However, the ref missed calls and then decides to call the unforeseen one. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

You guys played awesome this whole year and have nothing to hang ur heads down for.
Great Job Both Teams.

My 2 cents...with the caveat that I was NOT there.

A foul in the PA must be called. But it had better be a true-sure-'nuff-everybody knows it's a foul.

Fouls in the PA must be called consistently. Incidental ball-to-hand contact that results in no advantage had better be waived down, and is not an infraction, vs., say, a poorly timed tackle from behind that results in denying an obvious chance.

Fouls in the PA should include conferring with the AR to gain additional perspective, when practical. This late in a tie game, with so much on the line, I hope this happened.

A player on the ground can hardly gain advantage if a ball makes contact with him, unless he grabbed at it or used his hands to block.

Don't get me wrong--I don't have a problem with awarding a PK...but was Law 12 broken?

Final question--Was the Pine Tree player sent off? If not, then this indecision by the referee is inconsistent with his application of awarding a PK.

The AR wasnt conferred with. The Pine Tree player wasnt sent off. In fact Im not sure anyone knows exactly whos hand the ball hit except maybe the player that was on the ground. Their were many college and high school coaches in attendance at the game and not one knew what happened. In addition, not one of those coaches didnt feel that the referree made an awful decision that affected two teams that were not happy with the call either.

What happened was, a Lindale player dribbled the ball baseline and attempted to drop it to the six, where several Lindale players were awaiting the pass. A PT player allegedly overslid the ball and stuck his hand out, hitting the ball and giving the goalie a chance to grab the ball.

Take from that what you will.

haha he didnt stick his hand out on purpose. he was sliding and his arm was behind him to push himself back up. he didnt even see that ball coming so there is no way he did it on purpose. and like tiger said.. no one even knew what happened except the players right there at the time. i dont even think the ref new what was going on. he blew his whistle then just kinda looked around like he was suppose to call something.

Right, i never said he did it on purpose, but regardless, the alleged hand ball impeaded the pass that would hvae created a scoring oppurtunity for Lindale.

I'm not sure you can call handling if the ball is to the players back. Where's the intent? Where's the Advantage?

The game has ended.

Life goes on.

Where's the advantage? Had the the ball not accidentally, and i emphasize accidentally, (I don't think the player did it on purpose) The pass would have successfully made it to the feet of an awaiting Lindale player, giving him a genuine chance of scoring. But the ball made contact with the player's hand allowing the goalie to get to the ball before a Lindale player.

agreed.

After reading all of the discussion, there still appears to be no clear resolution as to what should have happened on the play. For this very reason, the logical choice would be no call. Given all the doubt and controversy, "play on" makes the most sense. An official should make this decision not out of fear of making a wrong call, but out of a correct desire to let the players decide the game.

While it's true that an official is bound to interpret and enforce rules equally throughout a contest, many of these are judgment calls rather than purely procedural. Good judgment would have been to let the game play to conclusion. This probably would have resulted in a shootout which, while an unsatisfactory method for resolving a tie game in my opinion, would have at least given each side an equal opportunity to win.

"I want to also add that in this month's copy of Texas Coach magazine, there was a well written article by the coach frrom Klein HS. he has been there for 26 years, since the program's inception. I was really proud to hear him say that in 26 years, he figured that a referee's call/non-call made a difference in the outcome of games less than 5% of the time. Find me anothr profession that can boast a 95% success rate. (MLB batters are immortal for hitting .400, and the last person to do that was Ted Williams)."
Thought this quote for Joel would fit well here. lol