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  1. Shelbyville will challenge. Got a big dominant kid that is coming in next year from the Houston area. He is from Shelbyville but moved a few years ago. He shined playing 6a ball this year as a sophomore.. Will play on both lines.

    Also, rumor has it there will be a few move ins that want a chance to play basketball here, but they are good football players as well.

    They will be joining a really nice Sophomore and Jr. class.

  2. 4 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

    The fact that you think that is a wildcat offense tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of football. Now I understand why you decided that coaching “wasn’t for you”. Have a nice day! 

    sorry about that. didn't mean to get baited in... not sure what the offense is they run. I think it's actually the air raid.

  3. 2 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

    According to him, Shelbyville is the new Arp. 5* athletes growing on trees, man. 

    LD Coleman, Jaylen Brinson, AJ Cartwright, Kel Cartwright, Slade Smith,  Jackson, JaKory Stanley.. these kids all have 1st team all district skillsets at running, catching or both. LD Coleman has 1st team all district quarterback talents as  does JaKory Stanley, and Jaylon Brinson.. These are only the kids that play.

    The kids that don't play Jay Buckely (state tournament MVP basketball) best athlete in the county with D1 receiver talents, Kolby Parker (committed to UH to play baseball) top 5 athlete in the county can play any position on offense or defense at an all district 1st team level. Jordan Boykins, another top athlete in the state in 2a, 6-4 over 200lbs great hands, and smart. Could be all district receiver on any level. All state in the smaller classifications, and can also kick extremely well. Get them to the football field! Raymond Jackson, god rest his soul, figured this out back in the late 80's/ early 90's and as they say, the rest is history! The right people with the right connections to the community can make it happen.

    So yea, Shelbyville is loaded!! It's very similar to the 14/15 kids that were sold short with a basketball coach that intentionally lost games because the AD despised basketball, and in football there were kids with 4.4 speed and great hands on the sideline while the offense was playing!!! and a quarterback that dominated 7 on 7 with the same kids! In the lovelady game in 15 that we lost in the quarterfinals they literally had 11 men in the box and Burrell was about 60 percent. No ability to cut but ran him between the tackles all night with speedy receivers on the sidelines watching. The quarterback that year Barnes is playing receiver in college now, but he had a decent arm. The whole fiasco was one of the most painful things I've ever witnessed in watching sports for 50 years!

    Lets go back further to the mid nineties to the early 2000's. Vincent Cartwright, Fred Cartwright RIP, Chris Cartwright, Frank Baker, Cedric Ratcliff, Dustin Parker, Archie Peterson, Tim Sparks,.. the biggest offensive line in the state of texas in 1997 with EVERY skill player with interest from colleges. They went 5 and 5 and didn't make the playoffs!  Colleges used to inquire about a few of these kids and the school literally didn't even tell the kids!! These are cold hard facts! Vincent Cartwright ended up making it to the final cuts with the Titans, and chose to not got to NFL Europe and took up recruiting for Sam Houston State. Then he went to coaching and became AD in Huntsville, but resigned to work closer to home. Coaches in Lufkin now. Applied for the AD job in 14 but didn't even get an interview!! Imagine that. A guy that made it to the pros and was raised in the community where the athletes come from and didn't get an interview!

    There was another group in the late 2000's with a very similar sad story.

    Bottom line is it's not the coaches but the administration. It's their job to make sure the kids are represented properly.

    And there is one constant in all of this. .

    As for me I have absolutely no dog in the hunt. I'm just an old school guy that has been around sports all over the country and was closely involved with some very successful programs a long time ago.

    After coming back to Shelby county and leaving several times I keep coming to the same conclusion. Which is these kids aren't being represented properly and they only have one chance to play sports. We can argue, bicker and debate here all day. Speculate to no end and pretend we know a lot, and it doesn't matter!!!! The kids are all I care about and they get one chance. We can talk smack here until we are too old to walk!!

    I'm done. I will not reply to anything else in this thread... I just hope somebody sees it and considers everything said. . and for the record!  The current AD at Shelbyville is not a bad coach. I saw his team play a few times and they played hard. Blocked and tackled well and had discipline. . They just need to install a modern offense. The wildcat exclusively is absolutely not fair to the kids.


  4. 10 hours ago, SAWolfman said:

    Shelbyville had SA on their toes for a bit last year. The injury bug hit yall hard.  Cut the man some slack.  The kids played hard for him and there isn't alot of talent there to do much with.  

    It was because of the emotion of the tragic event that both communities were experiencing simultaneously. Octavian was special to all of us and it had a major effect on the ballgame.

  5. 13 hours ago, Destry said:

    Now, just tell me how many times have you applied for the hc job at shelby, evidently you are the MAN.

    I don't want the job. I coached a bit back in the 80's and early 90's and found out it wasn't for me, but I guarantee that running a modern offense that fully utilizes the available talent is not rocket science.

  6. 4 minutes ago, Doomer said:

    Does the Burrell kid got any little brothers or cousins coming up to carry on his awesome legacy. That young man could hit the gap! Would have to air it out ever other play with a downhill runner so much, just sayin.

    He was actually from San Augustine but we have a kid now that could be a 2000 yd. rusher if they don't beat him to death with the 3 yards and a cloud of dust. . With several other kids coming up that can run. Shelbyville always has running backs. Maybe not the caliber of Burrell, but we have an abundance of skills players every year. The administration just needs to figure out how to implement a modern offense.

    The new coach is fine. In the few times I saw them they were disciplined. Blocked well and tackled well, but with 0 threat of a passing game and no true quarterback it's disheartening to everyone. Just hire an offensive coordinator for Gods sake!! It's not like we don't have money!

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  7. 3 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

    Ridiculous expectations. He must have moved there from Tenaha. 

    Under the bus? I'm taking up for the kids and giving them a voice. The administration thinks we don't have a kid smart enough to be a true quarterback but some of us know better. One kid in particular shined very brightly playing quarterback on a 15u select team. . We don't have an offensive coach smart enough to teach a basic passing game. Or, most likely they just don't want to take the time to do it.

    No team will reach their full potential without a basic passing game. Some have won state with the 3 yards and a cloud of dust concepts but it was because they were extremely big or had an elite D1 type running back. Even Newton the last two years with all their running abilities passed the ball.

    Nobody is being thrown under the bus!! I'm just tired of seeing our football teams under achieve for decades and decades when we continuously have some of the best athletes in the county!! Throw the freaking ball!!!

    And that goes for Joaquin too.. The Gandy teams should have had at least one state champ, but he wouldn't throw it. Last years team had a enough speed for two sprint relays but the refusal to throw the ball cut them short.

    Throwing the kids under the bus would be to ignore the facts and not say anything.

  8. 18 hours ago, Greezychef said:

    Tenaha won state running a version of that gimmick offense in 2011.  Stick to being a fan, let the real coaches coach 

    You are partly right. Tenaha did run a version of the wildcat with the Davis kid lined up at quarterback, but they did have a quarterback. JR Hill, and he was probably all district? not sure?

    And they did pass the ball fairly often during the regular season and playoffs to include the state championship game.

    Any offense is fine as long as you throw the ball a little bit.

    Even with the great talent we had in 14 and 15 the teams still under achieved because the coach would not throw the ball. Those kids dominated 7 on 7! Especially in 14 with CJ Watson throwing the ball.

    Say what you want, but football has moved away from 3 yards and a cloud of dust. It's not fun and it contributes to injury.

  9. 6 hours ago, Greezychef said:

    Second place in the damn coaches first year in a district with the regional champions and this guys throwing the coaches and the kids under the bus.  Now that's what I call a class act.  

    I guess you can't read? Never did I throw any kids under the buss. I just stated a simple fact that the offense we run is ridiculous! It shouldn't be tolerated by the administration nor the community.

  10. 10 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

    You made the playoffs in football for the first time since ‘15. Most of the teams you lost to were really good. Give Coach B a break. He walked into a program that had been through three head coaches in two years. I’d say 5-6 with losses to teams like Joaquin, Tenaha and SA is pretty respectable. 

    We didn't beat a team in the top 30. The offense is ridiculous to say the least!!

    We have an abundance of skills players and to see them waste away is terrible!

    It's the administrations fault. We have had numerous groups of kids going all the way back to the early 90's that under achieved due to inadequate coaching.



  11. Our coach is special. He understands how to get the most of his talent and how to stay calm during games.

    Now if we could just get the main kids from the basketball court to the football field! We could have the kids to match up with any 2a school in the state. Especially the skills players!

    Problem is we run a gimmick offense that is closer to 1919 than 2019. Literally!  It's not fun and contributes to injury.

    Hopefully one day our top administrator will embrace this problem, step down, or get fired.


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  12. one of two things will happen. Newton will either regroup and play their best game, or the exposure will derail one of the best small school teams of all time.

    I do think most of the real good teams coming out of our region are at a disadvantage due to the overall fact of not having much competition. Especially in district and many times all the way through regionals.

    The other regions have better overall competition and therefore are better prepared deep in the playoffs.. MHO

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  13. 55 minutes ago, HearEmaGrowlin said:

    Chavis McCollister was one of the greatest athletes I’ve ever watched play a sport, any sport, in person at any level.

    That guy had maybe the strongest arm or could throw a football harder than anyone I’ve seen throw a football. McCollister could run around like Kyler Murray except with five times the strength and difficulty to tackle. This dude was a super freak athlete. Tigers would snap the ball and he’d just run around behind the line of scrimmage toying with the defenders trying to sack him until one of his receivers came open 60 yards downfield and hit them with it. 

    If McCollister has been at Carthage we’d have won multiple state championships with him well before Surratt came around. 

    I watched him in person once and followed him the rest of his career. Saw him play about 20 games total, and I've never seen anything like it in person. That is including college and pro games.. I followed him a little in college as he dominated at Trinity Valley as  a running back. Then I left the area. Shortly after he was injured at Tarlton I think?

    Apparently he took bad advice out of high school? Could have played just about anywhere but chose Trinity so he could play football and basketball. He also had offers to play pro baseball out of high school as well.  Probably would have had the strongest arm in the MLB. I didn't see it in person but it is well known that he could put his back on the centerfield fence and throw it all the way to the catcher!!! 

    There were other really good players on those 97 and 98 Tenaha squads. Kennis Hednerson  is one name that sticks out, but McCollister was so dominant I don't really remember the other players names.


  14. I watched the first game this year in Tenaha and it was a good one! I think the Tenaha defense is for real, but they had some help from the officials.

    SA had at least 150 yards of offense and 1 TD negated by penalty.  As a totally neutral fan it seemed very unbalanced to me.

    I predict SA to win the game, but it's very hard to count Tenaha out in any playoff game. They just have the formula. . Part of the formula is the fact they realize that the season is a long drawn out event. They don't beat their kids down early in the grueling heat, and they gradually build them to be their best improving each week and peaking at the right time. My opinion.

    SA 35 Tenaha 28, but I can easily see myself eating crow with this prediction.  

  15. Reading through this was entertaining to say the least! The Tenaha troll actually made a few good points, but has WAY too many facts wrong.

    I do agree about the Chavis McCollister squads in 97 and 98. In my humble opinion I think they were the best small school squads to come from these parts from about 1990 to the present. I watched them beat a very good Elysian Fields squad in 98 that faced mighty Celina two years in a row in the state finals,  and fall just short of a very good Logansport squad in 1997 by a score of 58-60 in a great game!  McCollister was the real deal. The best I've seen in person around here. He was heavily recruited by some top 20 schools to play defense. A lot of people don't realize just how strong he was! He hit the big kid from Elysian Fields (Chris ?) who played for A &M and totally destroyed him! There were other good players on those squads as well.

    The question most people ask is how does Tenaha and Garrison win year in and year out? I know there is extreme strong bloodline involved, but there are recruits and move ins in both towns. As there is in every town that wins year in and year out. To include Newton as much as they hate to admit it! They have kids come in from Jasper and Louisiana.

    I'm not sure, but didn't Garrison have the Watts twins from Center this year? and I know Tenaha gets players from other places. The big Patton kid is a life long Joaquin resident, but moved to Tenaha this year to play his freshman year. He will be a SERIOUS force in Tenaha the next 3 years. A difference maker. 

    Same with Logansport. Their recent state winning team had some Center and Mansfield kids playing for them.

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