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    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    2 hours ago, DB2point0 said:

    List examples please!

     

    I’ve seen Lanning, but I like the Washington coach better.  He built a solid program at a lower classification, but kept it rolling

    I have no inside info on this other than I’ve been told they would not just fire Jimbo without a plan/guy in mind. They believe the roster pieces are in place to compete for a title next year and they want to hire someone that will have them in the top 12 and in the playoff in year one. The hire will be someone they believe is enough to keep the roster in place and not have to start over. 
     

    My guesses the short list includes a couple tiers. 
     

    Tier 1 is the splash hires of Oregons Lanning, Washington’s coach, or Utahs. 
     

    Tier 2 is hiring a HC with experience but still has some proving to do and comes cheaper than the list above. Traylor and Elko fit that. 
     

    Tier 3 is they promote Elijah Robinson and leave the entire staff mostly in tact at a good price. Turn full control of the offense over to Petrino and let him keep what assistants he wants and change the scheme however he sees fit. Elijah Robinson is an elite relationship builder and one of the best recruiters in the country. He lets you keep the class and roster together because the players love him and defensively they are playing well. A few offensive changes without Jimbos interference and this team could make huge jumps in literally a few practices imo. I expect this offense to look MUCH better against LSU and probably win building big momentum into the bowl game. 

    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    28 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

    Who do you expect?  Don’t you have alumni inside information?

    I’m not near high enough on the donor list to get that type of concrete information. 
     

    What I have heard is that they would not fire Jimbo this year without having a top 2 name on their coaching hotboard committed to taking over. They were willing to give Jimbo another year unless they got THE guy they wanted. I also expect it to happen quickly. They want to have someone named by first week of December to try to salvage the class. 

    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    Just now, DB2point0 said:

    Had to get more wins than Sumlin?

     

    1 hour ago, Lobo97 said:

    I’m seeing this reported as well. Weird that they waited to do it after a 41 point win. 

    I believe the timing means they got the confirmation the guy they wanted is going to accept the job. They were not going to pay 100+ mil in buyouts without having their guy already lined up. I expect a hire to be announced the week after the last regular season game. 

    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    2 minutes ago, Lobo97 said:

    Here’s the challenge they’re going to have…

     

    They realize the mistake they made in giving out a $100M contract. They proved this mistake by paying $75M for him to leave. 
     

    I’m not sure they’re going to do that again. The problem is, it took that $100M to get Jimbo in the first place. So if you don’t, I think that also limits your list. That bar has already been set. If you’re coach that believes you’re better than Jimbo, are you going to accept less than $100M?

    I agree the market has been reset. The issue is not the per year dollar figures. Hes like the 5th highest paid coach in the sec alone. The issue is/was the guaranteed money and length. You can absolutely still get a good coach for the same amount per year, just structure it where he has to perform to get extended and the money is not all guaranteed if he fails. 
     

    I will say my belief is the hire is already agreed behind closed doors. They are making this known today so they can get a jump on saving the recruiting class and be ready to name the new guy as soon as the season ends. 

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    Sec Baseball

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    26 minutes ago, JustAFan11 said:

    I’m pretty excited for baseball in the sec. The Big 12 wasn’t a bad baseball conference but the sec is going to be incredible. 

    It’s a totally different ballgame. The atmospheres and the venues are on a different level. 

    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    2 hours ago, Lobo97 said:

    Okay, I want to play devils advocate for just a moment. 

     

    While I agree that Texas A&M has what is needed to be a successful program, to win, my question is then.... what's the problem?

     

    Now, before any of you want to string me up for that question, lol, hear me out...

     

    Texas A&M has been around for 121 years. 

    Their last National Championship was in 1939. 

    Their last Conference Championship was in 1998.

    They have 2 major bowl wins in the last 30 years. 

    They have 1 double digit win season in the last 20 years. 12 total. 

    If the coaching industry views the Texas A&M job as a Tier 1 job, then why can't they get a Tier 1 coach? Everyone thought Jimbo was when they hired him, but it took a 10 year, $100M contract to make that happen. 

     

    This is not a troll post. Again, I am legitimately asking this question, looking for a genuine conversation. In 121 years, A&M has had numerous University Presidents, numerous AD's, numerous coaches, and a plethora of talent. So why can't they win? And if the job opened up today, then help me as an outsider understand what would be different with the next coach, from anything over the last 40 years?

     

    The legitimate answer, is Aggies are their own worst enemy. For starters the university struggled recruiting for most everything pre 1970s because of the university didn’t even allow non corps members and women to enroll until the 60s. That really effected recruiting for 60ish of those 121 years you speak of. 

    They did well in the 80s and 90s and looked to be turning the corner as a consistent program until the big 12 merger and the hires of Mack Brown and Bob Stoops. Having your two biggest in state threats hiring two of the most successful coaches of those storied programs histories at the same time didn’t help the Aggies in turning the corner. They money whipped Franchione from Bama in what looked like it could have been their attempt to keep pace, but he proved to be a dud. After that they were broke and hired a good ole boy in Mike Sherman who was never really a good hire to begin with. 
     

    The real missed opportunity came with Sumlin. He was the guy that they got for a good price and showed the type of recruiting prowess it took to finally challenge Texas and OU on the trail. He had instant success in the big time sec move and the Aggies rallied him to raise 750 million dollars in less than a year to build new facilities making them top 5 in the country in that area. The sky was the limit. Then the Aggies knee jerked into extending Sumlin and he became set for life and became a lazy alcoholic who basically mailed it in his final 3 seasons. 
     


     

     

     

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    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    7 hours ago, JohnnyFootball said:

    It’s the OL and the QB getting hurt. I like Max but he’s not Conner. 

    And the OL is just bad. Losing Henson was a huge blow. Adazzio was a good coach years ago but hasn’t shown much lately.  

    In terms of buyout, that money is nothing to the oil tycoons who wanted the contract to begin with. The issue is…. Who do you get? 

    I agree the who do you get question is the big one. IMO you take a different approach than the Fisher hire. You don’t go after the guy who’s proven. You take a chance on a young guy whos hungry. Someone who is going to be coaching like their career depends on it instead of a coach that has accomplished everything he wanted and is now just drawing big checks. Hire the young guy, fill his staff with elite X’s and O’s guys and fix the lack of urgency this program has. 

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    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    2 hours ago, Lion7000 said:

    Changes obviously need to happen. I might be delusional and I probably am but I think running the table isn’t out of the question. Of course that is an upset @ ole miss @ Lsu , toss up games vs Miss st and South Carolina.

    Finishing 2-2 in that stretch is expected. 3-1 would be an absolute win. 4-0 would be like winning the lottery. 
     

    This team is talented in certain areas but has several holes and is poorly coached. Jimbo just lost his job this week. A win would have kept him alive but it’s over now. He very well may be here another year, but his job is gone the minute the money is raised to fire him. 

    The Smoakhouse Forums Week 5 Top 10

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    18 minutes ago, Coach Rab said:

    Like I've said before, we all have our own methods of determining their top 10s, so I won't even try to bash yours.  

    My method is simple:  Based on the way the season has gone so far, I place my top 10 on where I think they are on track to finish at the END of the year.  So it can dramatically change from week to week.  I am not a reactionary guy, I didn't even consider Colorado to be a top 10 simply based on their schedule.  If they didn't have Oregon, USC, Utah etc on their schedule and instead had a CUSA slate, then they could very well be top 8 based on where I think they would have finished without a blowout loss to Oregon.  FSU could win out ugly right now and probably be a top 4.  Same for Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.  LSU right now is going to have to win some SEC games prettier than that Arkansas win to ever be considered top 10.  The AP will boost them to top 10 for hype reasons with SEC media, but as a fan, they don't project there for me.

    If I made my reactionary top 10 based on the current season the top 4 would look something like this:

    Georgia
    Texas
    Florida St
    Ohio State

    Utah, Oregon, and Penn State peaking in.  I just don't see Penn State as being a legit top 10 based off a win over Iowa at the end of the day, so they were completely left off of my poll.  And to the contrary, while I don't see Oregon's win over Colorado to be a huge feat, they completely dismantled the Buffalo offense and defense. Impressive enough on a national stage that I think they project top 10 right now if they can stay on track. 

    Penn st for me is not that they beat Iowa, it’s that they absolutely dominated them in a way a top 10 team should. 31-0 in a ranked matchup is flex for sure. 

    The Smoakhouse Forums Week 5 Top 10

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    11 minutes ago, Coach Rab said:

    A couple of things will happen.  1) Those PAC 12 teams are going to fan out and I believe only Utah and Oregon will be standing at the end.  2) Notre Dame and LSU will creep back in the top 10 at some point. 3) at some point this season, someone is going to fall in love with a Troy etc that is 10-0 by beating JUCOs and put them in this top 10.

    Very true. Especially that last part. Then we will start the yearly “this isn’t a real playoff” threads! 

    👍🏻 Texas A&M Aggies 2023 👍🏻

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    51 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

    Lord have mercy I was wrong on Longview!!!  Holy smokes.
     

     So is Jimbo still coaching Sumlin’s recruits?  Or is this team Jimbo’s yet?  At what point do you give Jimbo credit for the bad stuff?  he’s landing pretty good talent, but still is having mediocre results.  You try to over analyze stuff.  Has he proven he’s worth $9million a year or not???  Yes or no.  Simple one word answer is all that’s required. 

    Only 3 coaches in all of college football have proven to be worth their salaries. It’s not a simple one word answer. The market dictates the coaches pay not their results. Saban doesn’t make exponentially more than other coaches even though he’s achieved for more. The market sets the standard not the success of the coach. Like I said only about 3 have “earned” their salary just yet. 

    The Smoakhouse Forums Week 2 Top 10

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    2 hours ago, Baron said:

    That's BS and you know it. There is always carry over year to year. You apply it every year to Texas or is that just bias/hatred?

    Follow the bouncing ball… I’m not talking about Texas or any specific team. I’m saying that in preseason polls it’s fine to make judgements based off previous season results and roster returning. But after the first week it should not matter anymore for Texas or anyone else. In week 2 you shouldn’t still be punishing or rewarding a team for what happened 9 months ago. 

    The Smoakhouse Forums Week 2 Top 10

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    12 hours ago, Baron said:

    Bias. That's rich coming from you, lol. I didn't put Texas in the top 10 until Clemson lost. A&M is about right in the polls at the moment. Win at Miami and they will rise. A&M needs to show that last years season was an outlier.

    You just proved my point… Last years team should have ZERO to do with this years team. The polls should not be based on what a team did in previous seasons. My ballot has who I believe to be the ten best teams in the country from what I see this season. The first week I can understand your logic, but after they start playing games it’s time to start using what we know now and not what they did in years past. 

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