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Wow! I haven't seen a single post on this thread that says Gilmer will win, yet some Carthage posters are just assuming that our broadcasters speak for all of us fans. Our broadcasters don't have a real grasp of reality, in my opinion. This would be a MONUMENTAL win if we were to pull it off. I am a realist, and I know a whole lot of things would have to go right for us, and a bunch of things would have to go wrong with Carthage for us to have a legit shot at taking them down. It is what it is.
I might feel differently if we would've beaten them recently, but that hasn't happened since 2015.
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11 minutes ago, MattStepp said:
The Gilmer media crew is legendary statewide
They are legendary alright. They are most definitely homers. I don't think they really believe half of what they say. Most Buckeye fans know what we are up against. Preparation meets opportunity, though. We will have both, but we appear to be overmatched in this one.........again. Surratt's offense and Preston's defense are second to none. It will take a monumental effort, both from the players, and the coaches, with lots of lucky breaks, to have any palpable chance at a win in this one. YES, I am a Buckeye fan for life, but I have no illusion of what we are up against.
Let's go Buckeyes!
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There are several players for Gilmer that require attention from athletic and fundamentally sound defensive players. Yes, our #1 will be the fastest player on the field, for sure, but it won't matter if we can't get him past at least the first level of the defense. The other players are #3, #7, #13, #11, and #14 (when he is out there). I just wish we played the vertical game more if that is what the defense is giving, provided we can give #11 time to throw, and I also wish there were a way to get #14 in space. He should be on the field all the time, in my opinion. He's probably the 2nd fastest player on the team. I'm not the coach, and I'm sure there is a reason for it, but I'm just saying.
I am hoping we can at least give Carthage a good test, and not get blown out on the field. Maybe, just maybe, we can keep the score respectable......., or am I being too cocky and arrogant?!!
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17 hours ago, cotton84 said:
Carthage fans, including myself, will yell about a questionable(or bad) call that goes against Carthage. But never heard them/us complain the whole game.
P G had a grown man with a megaphone(or whatever you call the battery operated things like Sargeant Carter on TV used) that complained most every play - even encouraged the fans to yell with him in a chant to the refs).This is the exact reason I don't like PG. Not all of them, but there are so many of their fans that know absolutely nothing about football. It irks me to no end when they get the benefit of the calls throughout a game, yet when they get called for an obvious penalty they boo the refs. I saw them get away with PI, holding, and taunting on a bunch of plays when we played them. The boos are not just here and there, it's throughout. If the refs would call all the penalties against them, they would rarely be able to overcome them. That's usually the same for any team. Yes, they had a better team than us when we played them. No doubt about it, but them booing obvious penalties just didn't sit right with me.
First of all, I am obviously a Buckeye fan. Sadly, we just plain get outcoached when we play Carthage. I don't know how to get that fixed. Preston's defense stops us before we can even find any sort of rhythm. We will have to figure out ways to get scores, and several of them. The Carthage offense usually just mashes and gashes us throughout the game. We will have to get stops on regular basis..., something we haven't done well for most of this year. We are definitely an improved team defensively, but we're not the same level as Preston, in my opinion.
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Back on topic of this thread title... I think this game will likely be close unless there are a few turnovers. I don't see either team blowing the other team out.
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3 minutes ago, 36gut said:
Jeff Rash on this week's Coach's Show said he has since been told that that was false and Peterson is a good kid with no discipline problems.
That's awesome to hear. Rumors... I hate unsubstantiated rumors. They do no good for anybody involved. I did observe him being a little gimpy, and slow getting up, after getting pounded a couple of times. I know he wasn't 100% after that. Their coach rotating QBs is none of our business anyway. I know he did what he thought gave them the best chance to win. As I said before, Sunnyvale was well-coached, and well prepared for us, and it definitely showed. We did what we had to do to get the win, and that's what matters most. I would love to see our Buckeyes put together a complete game. The 3 turnovers we had in this game were uncharacteristic, and certainly didn't help our cause. We had gone 5 games in a row without a turnover before Friday night, if memory serves.
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Just now, LetsGoEagles said:
A friend of my daughters goes to SVale and she said they been doing the rotation all year long and everyone was sick of it. It was obvious #1 is the better QB but coach was insistent.
Wow! The coach must have had a reasonable explanation. At least I hope so for his sake.
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5 minutes ago, LetsGoEagles said:
Thank you. Gilmer was flat and got away with one by the knucklehead Sunnyvale coach playing #16. If he plays #1 the whole game, I think Gilmer is done for the year in a shocker. I gave SVale no chance before this game and thought Gilmer by 28-ish.
I wasn't as optimistic as you were. I thought Gilmer would win, but I thought it would be by a couple of scores. You're probably right about their use of Peterson at QB. We did just enough to slip by, and their non-use of him may have been the difference. We'll never really know. I heard he held him out for disciplinary reasons, but I don't know that for sure.
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12 hours ago, itsjustfootball said:
Sunnyvale also played really well and had a great game plan. Maybe you were being outplayed and outreached for part of the game. You guys will never admit that, it always the we beat ourselves excuses. You can give credit to other teams, it is ok.
You are wrong, especially about me. I always give credit where credit is due. Sunnyvale is well-coached, had a great game plan, and executed that game plan to a high level. No doubt about that. I'm not making excuses about the way the game was played as far as Xs and Os. I only made an observation about OUR team since I've watched every game this year. We played emotionally flat. There's no excuse for that, just an observation. A lot has happened in the last 2 to 3 weeks in our community, and that could have something to do with it. If you haven't read about it, that's on you. We did overcome despite the emotional roller coaster this team has been on. That says a lot about the character of this team.
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12 hours ago, itsjustfootball said:
You also got 62 put on you by Prosper Walnut Gove who was not even eligible for the playoffs this year as they are first year program that is not part of a district and consisted of 95% underclassmen, so basically a JV. And don't try to flex by saying you scored 82, you shouldn't of had to. I know, I know you are a totally different team now that no-one can beat and are to.be feared.
And by the way, the only streaks and consistency that really count right now are the ones that end with a trophy in late December.
Tell me something I don't know. To be as horrible defensively as we were earlier in the year, I think we are playing much better. After all, we had no other choice but to improve. It likely ain't going to be good enough to beat the likes of anybody left after this round. I have no illusions about that. I haven't said anything about us being "a totally different team". You have absolutely no idea what I think, or what I know. Ask any poster on here. I am not that guy.
And, you are dead wrong about "the only streaks and consistency that really count". Tell that to the young men that put their all in it every year, and don't even make it to the playoffs, let alone make it into the playoffs. Sure, EVERYBODY wants to hoist the state championship trophy every year, but just because they don't doesn't make them losers. I guess in your world NOBODY counts unless they hoist a trophy in late December.
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3 minutes ago, blackflag79 said:
By the way, all three of the teams that Gilmer lost to are still playing, with a total combined record of 33-3. That's a testament to the strength of schedule. This also marks 17 straight seasons that Gilmer has played over the Thanksgiving holidays. That's a testament to consistency.
Aubrey will certainly be a tough team to overcome, for sure. We should be prepared. For those who don't know, Aubrey was the team that we beat by 1 point to win state in track last year, so the Chaps definitely have speed.
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By the way, all three of the teams that Gilmer lost to are still playing, with a total record of 33-3. That's a testament to the strength of schedule. This also marks 17 straight seasons that Gilmer has played over the Thanksgiving holidays. That's a testament to consistency.
Aubrey will certainly be a tough team to overcome, for sure. We should be prepared. For those who don't know, Aubrey was the team that we beat by 1 point to win state in track last year, so the Chaps definitely have speed.
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16 minutes ago, LetsGoEagles said:
That's an interesting question. They LOOK intimidating, but they're average at best. Just don't get a big push and no nasty guys on that line that like to punish their opponent. At least I didn't see any against Sunnyvale.
We scored 59 points against y'all, and 41 against Sunnyvale. The O-line does their job more times than not. They "could" be nastier for sure because most of them are very large. I would settle for effective more than nasty any day that ends in "y".
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5 hours ago, Crawford said:
Some of them are either in denial or just flat out delusional
You could be right, but that ain't me. I know who we are and what we're capable of. We were FLAT emotionally. We are not a good enough team to overcome that going forward. Every team we play will be very good from here on out.
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6 hours ago, DB2point0 said:
Y’all do better against crappy defenses? Center’s defense isn’t anything to gauge your offense off of.
No, I am not gauging those two defenses. Sunnyvale had a much better defense than Center, no doubt about that. I was just saying we came out as flat as a pancake, and it took forever for us wake up and play. Our offense could've done better had we not have been flat emotionally.
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I feel that if the Gilmer we saw play last week comes out onto the field, we get our butts kicked. If the team that came out and played Center, we should win. It still won't be a "comfortable" win. Aubrey is well coached, and we can't afford to have an "off" night, regardless. Every team from here on out is good, and has the potential to send us home for basketball season. I don't know about the team, but I ain't ready for round ball season.
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2 hours ago, itsjustfootball said:
Come on, why do you Gilmer fans not like to give any credit to other teams. The SV coaches had a good game plan, it's ok to admit that.
You're definitely not lying. The Sunnyvale coaches deserve the credit for having their team prepared. They did an incredible job considering Gilmer had a LOT more talent, speed, and athleticism. Some of the things they did kept our defense flat-footed, and contained our offense better than the vast majority of our opponents this season.
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1 hour ago, itsjustfootball said:
My two cents which probably is not worth that much....
I do not believe this thread was started by someone NOT from Carthage. Something I've noticed on social media is that non-Carthage fans love to post things like this to encourage even more Carthage hate. I can guarantee you that Carthage is NOT counting on anything. They take one game at a time. I know a lot of fine people from Carthage including coaches and they are NOT cocky and take nothing for granted. I have had the privilege to get to know a lot of people from East Texas, fans, coaches and players. I have to say that the Carthage staff, players, community is the most gracious group of people.
As far as diversity, they have taken care of business when they needed to and IMO could have played Gilmer's schedule and still be undefeated. In the Kilgore game, a majority of their defense took their first varsity snaps that game. You could see how they improved as the game went on. But such a comment as yours is expected from a Gilmer fan. No offense intended just a trend I have noticed. I have had a LOT of Gilmer fans tell me they flat out hate Carthage and have called Coach Surratt some names I will not repeat. I've heard the same from PG. However, I have never heard anyone from Carthage speak ill of any program. They have a genuine respect for all teams they face.
Carthage is a very young team, I believe the youngest varsity team they have fielded. That said, they are getting better each week. Their inexperience should probably make them underdogs going forward, we shall see. The Texarkana All-Stars, sorry I mean PG, has a great team. That should be a great matchup, assuming Carthage takes care of business tonight. PG has probably the most stacked, experienced team in 4A,. IF PG comes out victorious I would not consider it an upset. When you brought back most of your talent from last year and added a few then you should be the favorite, IMO.
Anything can happen on any given day and any team can be beat. That is why the play the game.
Good luck to all.
I was just stating realistic facts. I have never said anything "bad" about Carthage, including coaches, players, and fans. The points you have made in your post are things that most of us already know, and it is what has made y'all a perennial power. I haven't seen any team that is better coached and prepared for their opponents, nor coaches who can make in game adjustments on the fly as quickly as Surratt and Preston at any level, let alone in 4A. Carthage has the deepest playbook of any team I've ever seen, and they can execute their playbook to its fullness the further the season goes along. Most of us are a little jealous of the success Carthage has had over the past 15 seasons or so. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that any state championship in 4A-D2 will go through Carthage. Yes, there will be some haters out there, but that just means you're doing something right, something most teams aspire to. Gilmer used to have, and still does have other fanbases that talk bad about us, our coaches, etc. even to this day, and we haven't had the overall success Carthage has had. It just comes with the territory.
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Carthage is definitely the team to beat. As for anybody beating them..., it's tough to say for sure. Personally, I don't think so, but there have been years where Region 2 was down as a whole, and a Region 3 or Region 4 team can play with them. It's a rarity, but it does happen. I say all that to say this: don't count your chickens before they hatch. Other than the Kilgore game, Carthage hasn't really faced any adversity to speak of.
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9 hours ago, Matt said:
That’s the one!! I couldn’t believe the Gilmer fans. You were in the state championship game!! Me and my buddies were just looking at each other like…..
It wasn't Jeff's fault. Anybody who knows football knows that. Liberty Hill was the better team. I don't know anybody who wanted Traylor gone. Now, if you say Barr, I understand. With all of those offensive juggernaut teams the Buckeyes had over the years, the only reason there weren't more rings won was due to a mediocre defense. Just mine, and many other's opinion.
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13 hours ago, Aggie98 said:
I honestly can't remember the last time Kilgore was trailing in a football game. It might have been against Gilmer in week 2.
Yes, Kilgore trailed Gilmer for the majority of the game, if memory serves. We were up 17-7 about midway through the 4th quarter, and 23-17 before that final drive with under 2 minutes by Kilgore.
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7 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:
I get it. Just messing with you. FWIW, I like Gilmer to win vs SV this week. Was pleased to see the Buckeye defense step up last week and exceed expectations vs Center. 42 points given up sounds bad but it was better than most expected.
Yes, our defense did play a lot better than I expected against an offensive juggernaut like Center. The first team defense only gave up 20 points. The other 22 points were given up by second and third stringers for the most part.
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If Kilgore comes out flat like they did against Livingston, they may find themselves behind early. I don't see that happening this week. Kilgore by 22.
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1 hour ago, PantherNation2015 said:
Why do you hate us so much?
I don't "hate" anybody, but I don't like baseless accusations, either, especially from a disgruntled SH fan who doesn't know who the Buckeye fans truly are on here. Most Buckeye fans understand that any team can get beat on any given night (or day). We have been playing into the 3rd round and beyond for the last 16 seasons. Looking past just about any team in the playoffs can get you beat. He's mistaking confidence for "cocky", and "arrogance", and he has no idea what "class" is.
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