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21 minutes ago, GWBears01 said:
2014 Gladewater
Ditto, and probably before your time, 1984 Gladewater.
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I think Carthage and Gilmer will remain in the same classification regardless. They are almost identical in size every year. In the past, the cutoff between D1 and D2 was always in between these two schools.
I really don't care whether we stay in the same classification. Gilmer has to step up against Carthage. You've got to beat the best to be the best. We will beat them eventually. What goes around comes around.
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31 minutes ago, cotton84 said:
Your QB was healthy enough to play and your coach chose another option……what player(s) were you missing ?
Tennison could've played, but he could barely move around. That changed the dynamic he would've brought had he been healthy. Our coaches felt like Fluellen gave us the best option under those circumstances.
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17 hours ago, 89Falcon said:
Definitely would be interesting. Might have been Glen Rose winning that ring had Gilmer beat Carthage.
That's a definite possibility, but our defense was much better than the Glen Rose defense, IMO. We also play better when the opposition's defense isn't great. Carthage also "gave" momentum to Glen Rose with turnovers, and once that started it became a shootout kind of game.
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19 minutes ago, Mojo1000 said:
Well being fair Glen Rose was good. Wimbery may still could have matched up better . You never know . I wouldn’t guarantee a automatic win for Gilmer.
Oh, believe me, I know NOTHING would've been guaranteed. I was just saying it would've been more interesting from our standpoint. It is a game of matchups, and different teams match up differently. I just wish we could've had our full compliment of players. The results "may" have been the same either way, but at the very least, it "could've" been a little different.
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On 12/28/2022 at 1:47 PM, CasualObserver70 said:
In 4A D2 region 2, Carthage and Gilmer will again be the top 2 teams. I already predicted a 3rd round playoff repeat.
I can agree with this. Why couldn't we have had that sloppy Carthage team that played against Glen Rose, AND have our starting quarterback playing? It might have been Gilmer winning that ring. Maybe 2023 will be the year the Buckeyes overcome. Who knows? I'm anxious to find out, though.
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On 11/28/2022 at 10:16 AM, CasualObserver70 said:
Last post from me on this before moving on to Carthage / Pleasant Grove.
I stated before the game Gilmer could win if 3 things happened:
1) Gilmer defense played lights out, with the D line in Carthage backfield often. This happened. #56, Ward, may be the best Gilmer defensive lineman in the last 20 years. Incredibly quick to be as big as he is. Gilmer D played great.
2) Gilmer offensive line would have to play their best game of the year. Again, this happened. I don't remember any holding penalties, and the O line played great. Ashton Haynes actually averaged 5 yards a carry. The Gilmer O line did not by any stretch of the imagination dominate the line of scrimmage, but they did enough to keep it close and to keep from the constant 3 and outs that the Carthage Defense so often produces.
3) This would give opportunity for the Gilmer athletes to make some big plays. This didn't occur. There was only the one big play: the TD to Tate. The Carthage defense was so disciplined, so well coached, and so athletic, that plays against other teams which would have busted for big plays got shut down. Yes, Rohan slightly underthrew Tate on two passes in the 2nd quarter, but it wouldn't have mattered against most other teams: their CBs would have been so burnt there would not have been a chance to recover. But against Carthage, it was a different story. And that was the biggest takeaway from this game for me. The Carthage offense is good, but the defense is the best I've seen in 4A this year. You have to be almost perfect to beat them.
Hard to be disappointed with the play of the Buckeyes. They didn't give up, they played above their heads, and they were competitive for 3 1/2 quarters. I mean, Gilmer had the football with a chance to tie the game in the 4th quarter. But it's just so hard to be a team with the talent and coaching Carthage has.
Now, Please Carthage, go win state. I would love to comfort myself knowing Gilmer gave Carthage a better run for their money than any other team in 4A.
This. The only thing I have to add are the "what ifs", but those don't matter. You play with what you have, and Carthage was the better team. Either way, I am proud of the way our Buckeyes played, especially the defense. Now..., I'm rooting for the Dawgs to go get number 9, and bring it back to East Texas where it belongs. Sic 'em!
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7 minutes ago, cotton84 said:
He is paid more or at least close to what most 3A HC/AD’s make…..so probably take a 4A school with lots of potential for him to leave
Heck, he is probably good enough for the college level. That may be the next step for him.
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1 minute ago, BevBrownJr said:
He has a son who is a sophomore. Played JV during the regular season and is now with the varsity for the playoffs.
So..., I guess that means he has at least two more seasons at Carthage.
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1 minute ago, mikehoncho said:
He is a freshman and has played two Varsity possessions this year, one in each playoff game during the first half playing with and against the starting units of both teams. He has led both possession to TDs, throwing a TD pass on both.
I think he's going to be the next QB in line for sure, and I know Scott wants to coach him, and watch him develop.
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Maybe we'll get lucky enough to see Coach Preston get lured away by then, too.
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14 minutes ago, Sportsguru02 said:
Not Bad after losing Traylor now we will see how well Carthage will do after Surratt leaves
He won't leave until his son graduates. Some of you Carthage peeps can tell me what grade he's in now. I think he's a freshman, right?
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1 hour ago, BevBrownJr said:
Since the start of the 2016 season, Carthage is 96-4 (.960) with 4 state championships (2016, 2017, 2019 & 2020). The Bulldogs also lost once in the state semifinals (2018).
During this same period, Gilmer is 78-20 (.788). The Buckeyes lost twice in the state championship game (2020 & 2021) and lost once in the state semifinals (2016).
Not too shabby. That's better than 95% of the schools in the state.
We have played at least 3 rounds deep for the last 17 years straight. Just another fact.
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1 hour ago, mikehoncho said:
I for one will eat more crow than ever before if Gilmer does come out on top. I don’t even mean it from a place of arrogance, I am truly that confident this year. And again, Carthage has won 7 straight meetings in this series and it hasn’t been close. Gilmer will have to make a believer out of me when it comes to facing Carthage.
I feel what you are saying, and I feel the same. Gilmer has absolutely not shown it can play Carthage very close. Yes, we are blessed to have some outstanding athletes, but Carthage has Surratt and Preston AND outstanding athletes. Our coaches will definitely have their hands full trying to figure out how to sustain any kind of a drive offensively against Preston's defense, and they will also have their hands full with making stops defensively. Until we prove otherwise, I don't feel very confident playing Carthage. Do I think we can beat Carthage? Absolutely! But we have put so many mental, as well as physical hurdles in our own path that a well-coached and consistent team like Carthage is our kryptonite. I just hope we don't get embarrassed. I hope for a good game with Carthage period. I think that if we can somehow win, or keep this game close, it will bode well for future matchups.
In the last seven meetings, it appeared that the Buckeyes were playing checkers while Carthage was playing chess. If Carthage continues to do to every team they play what they've been doing all year, ending it with #9, I would probably go so far as to say this is the best team they've ever had, period.
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44 minutes ago, JBizzle said:
Listen, I get nervous before every game and I don't have a kid on the team. I expect every team to give Carthage their best shot. And I know that these are high school kids that can be off on any given day.
That being said, I also know what we have here. I have seen a lot of football in my life, and what Carthage does here is very awesome. The work that Scott and his coaches do every week is outstanding. They put in long hours. They start with these kids in 7th grade teaching them the system. Carthage has talented kids who put in hard work also. 8 state championships in 15 years speaks for itself.
I am sorry that we aren't going to sit here and expect to lose to every team we play. False humility is not a good trait. Part of what's going on in Carthage is the expectation to win. These kids think they can beat anyone they play. That is not to be underestimated.
I think some of our crew is more likely to overestimate our talent than to be arrogant.
But yes, we think our kids are good and our coaches are good. The goal is to play into December every season. Just the way it is.
Ah, come on, J! You know you are sandbagging here!
The way I see it, Carthage has earned the right to be somewhat arrogant (if you take it that way)..., mainly because they can back it up with the product they put on the field.
As a Buckeye fan, I know we work just as hard as Carthage does. It's just harder for us to put the product together on the field because some years the Dawgs are just bigger, stronger, faster, and execute better than we do.
With a little fine tuning in what we do, we can definitely compete with Carthage every year, and even come out on top if we can play at a high level consistently, and get over the mental hurdle we seemed to have placed in front of us.
Dat dare is the troof!
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4 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:
I have watched Gilmer. It is my understanding that they are currently undefeated and ranked #2 in the State. I have also noticed that always contend for state titles and make deep playoff runs. Probably need to hire some new coaches from programs who have not won as much as the Gilmer coaches and then Gilmer would be better.
No way. The Buckeyes are just fine. I will just continue to scratch my head.
Not much hair left anyway. It is what it is, something I can't change. Our defensive coordinator is a very good coach, and he has made a very noticeable difference in our team's defense since he took over. The offense seems to have taken a few steps back, though, and that's the point I'm trying to get across. We used to be known for being a team that was explosive offensively, but just a little above average defensively. I guess we can't have it both ways like the aforementioned teams. Oh, well...
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16 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:
From an outsider’s perspective, I think what BF79 is trying to say is the OC either tries to get too cute with the plays by being unpredictable, or he is dead set on a script of plays even if the defense is playing differently than expected.
Against teams like SH and NL, it doesn’t matter what play Gilmer runs it will be successful. Not so much vs teams like China Spring or Carthage. It appears in those games that if plan A goes to hell, there is no adjustment to plan B.He still doesn't get it. He has to be a coach. I know exactly what he needs:
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7 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:
Understood. You should apply for the job. I wonder why your coaches dont know about "making adjustments dependent on what the defense is doing". That is absolute brilliance on your part. The coaches clearly have a low football IQ. If you had better coaches, Gilmer would be undefeated or "better undefeated".
Sorry, I couldn't take the pay cut, nor the hours. Unlike your insinuations, I do respect what coaches do, but it's like any other job in that if you are not being effective it's time something changed. Like I said, maybe you are just the man for the job since you are so dead set on defending other coaches blindly. Have you even watched a Gilmer game? If you have, you'd be scratching your head at times, too.
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2 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:
Yep, The coaches clearly know nothing, being undefeated and ranked #2 in the state and contending for a state title every year. I expect they would be mesmerized by your football insight. Probably never heard such wisdom as "needing someone in the booth that can read defenses".
It doesn't take a coach to see what's happening on the field. You should be mesmerized. I know I am..., even to the point I'm scratching my head so much I'm going bald. Did I hit a nerve. You must be a coach. Maybe you should come out and take a look for yourself. Heck, maybe you could sit in our booth and read the defense for us. Our coaches do a tremendous job, and I like "being undefeated and ranked #2 in the state and contending for a title every year." But, we could be even better, and I'm entitled to my opinion. I know being a coach isn't easy or anybody could do it. You should, however, be able to make adjustments dependent on what the defense is doing. If you can't do that, you should be offended. Ever heard the phrase, "Take what the defense gives you." We haven't been doing that, so it makes one wonder. I like our coaches, but we need to at least be able to do the above, or teams like Carthage, China Spring, etc. will continue to school us on the field. There's literally hundreds of schools in the state who would love to be where we are, but even more would love to be where Carthage, Aledo, GP North Shore, etc. are.
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49 minutes ago, PelvisPresley said:
I just haven't been a fan of the QB play this year...it worries me. I know Fluellen has been hurt some, but seems he's been way underused. I just wish we'd use the RB screen a little more to utilize that talent, getting those players out in the open turf.
I can also agree with you on this. What happened to the tunnel screen, the read option, and the deep pass. We have a tall receiver with speed on the outside that can go get it. We have several speedsters that we can use for the tunnel screen. The read option is probably not something we can use right now with Tennison's bad ankle. Fluellen has been banged up for the last 4 games, so I can understand not using him unless we absolutely have to. There's plenty of other players that can step up and make plays, though. We just don't use our advantages on offense as much as I would like. That again goes to the questionable play calling. I'm not trying to dis a coach, but maybe he should be schooled by a defensive coach as to what the other team is doing defensively, and how to attack it. I'm not sure the communication is there, or at least it doesn't appear to be from what I've seen.
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2 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:
You left out a key point……the Gilmer OC needs to get out of his own way too. This has been an issue since 2015.
I can agree with this, too. I know the Buckeye playbook has to be thicker than the 15 pages of plays we run. We also need someone in the booth that can read defenses, and know how to attack said defense. It still boils down to execution on most plays, but we do need a much deeper playbook. The play calling does leave a lot to be desired, and leaves me scratching my head most of the time. It doesn't take a genius to see that certain plays will not work against certain defenses. Sometimes, I think the other team's defense knows our plays better than we do, and it certainly doesn't take that much effort to see what's happening.
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7 hours ago, Texlov said:
I'm not a Gilmer fan, but the Buckeyes can be competitive with Carthage.
I can agree with you IF they can get out of their own way. It seems to be more of a mental thing than a physical thing. I do know Gilmer will have to bring their A+ game in all phases of the game. That's not impossible at all. If the Buckeyes don't bring their A+ game in all phases, they are liable to be just another bump on the road to a championship for Carthage.
Heck, if they don't bring their A game this week, this matchup may never occur. Gainesville will most certainly not roll over just because they are playing Gilmer.
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It appears that Carthage is on a whole other level than anybody else in 4A this year. Hopefully, we will at least be able to push them a little. I certainly think we have "almost" as much overall talent, if not as much. The trenches, where the game is won, is where Carthage has had a definitive advantage over Gilmer. There's also that mental thing that makes it an uphill battle to beating Carthage, too. If Gilmer can somehow build some confidence against Carthage by keeping the game within reach, I think it will bode well for future match ups. I am a Gilmer homer, but at least I am realistic. The game is still played on the field, and anything can happen in any given game. You can't go into a game thinking you're going to get beat, or you will get beat.
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2 hours ago, MoveTheChain said:
We all remember that time the Buckeyes played a 4 loss L-E team in the first round of the playoffs.
Take nobody lightly.
Funny thing about that 2006 team. I told some friends and family members after they played Daingerfield earlier that season, a game Gilmer won 62-42, that if anybody could hold Gilmer under 40 points they would beat us. Dang thang is, I was right. I didn't fall for the hype. We were definitely good enough to win it all, but our defense never gelled that year at all. Suffice it to say, after that I came to the realization that if Gilmer focused on DEFENSE a little more we would have more titles than we do now. That's just a fact nobody wanted to face with the DC we had at the time. Our new DC is a good one, and we focus on DEFENSE a lot more, and that is what will keep you in a game long enough for your offense to win it for you more times than not. Other times, the other team is just plain better. I don't like to lose, but to lose to a team you "know" you should've beaten is a big NO for me. That's why I have a healthy respect for ALL opponents, and I trust our coaches to have our kids thinking the same way.
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I wasn't really "shocked" that Gilmer lost that game. They were overrated simply because they were very porous defensively. I told a friend after the Daingerfield game that year (second game of the season, Gilmer won 62-42) that if anybody could hold Gilmer under 40 points we would likely lose. Sure enough... I'm not taking anything away from L-E that year because they were loaded as well. It was just that our defense never gelled. I would go out on a limb and say that if Gilmer would've focused a little more on the defensive side of the ball all those years, we would have more state titles than we already do. Just my opinion.