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Because then we would not be very good parents. Proverbs 19:18- Discipline your children, for in that there is hope; do not be a willing party to thier death.

<H2 class=vitstoryheadline>After complaint in Riverside, flag-folding recitation banned at veterans cemeteries nationwide</H2> document.write(''); document.write('<a href="http://pe.robocaster.com/download.mp3?'%20+%20window.location.href%20+%20'">''>http://pe.robocaster.com/download.mp3?'%20+%20window.location.href%20+%20'">'); document.write('<a href="http://pe.robocaster.com/download.mp3?'%20+%20window.location.href%20+%20'">');Download story podcast <H5 class=vitstorydate>08:12 AM PDT on Thursday, October 25, 2007</H5> By JOE VARGO The Press-Enterprise Through thousands of military burials, Memorial Honor Detail volunteers at Riverside National Cemetery have folded the American flag 13 times and recited the significance of every fold to survivors of those being laid to rest. The first fold, a narrator tells relatives, represents life, the second a belief in eternal life. The 11th fold celebrates Jewish war veterans and "glorifies the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." A single complaint lodged against the words for the 11th fold recently prompted the National Cemetery Administration to ban the entire recital at all 125 national cemeteries. A spokesman in Washington said the complaint originated from someone who witnessed the ceremony at Riverside National but would provide no other details and declined to release the directive banning the flag-folding recital, saying it was "an internal working document not meant for public distribution." Veterans are furious. Story continues below Joe Vargo / The Press-Enterprise The recitation of the 13 folds of the U.S. flag can no longer be made at national cemeteries. Veterans and honor detail volunteers, such as Bobby Castillo, 85, left, and Rees Lloyd, 59, are furious. "That the actions of one disgruntled, whining, narcissistic and intolerant individual is preventing veterans from getting the honors they deserve is truly an outrage," said Rees Lloyd, 59, a Vietnam-era veteran and Memorial Honor Detail volunteer. "This is another attempt by secularist fanatics to cleanse any reference to God." World War II Navy sailor Bobby Castillo, 85, another member of Memorial Honor Detail 12, called the federal decision "a slap in the face to every veteran." "When we got back from the war, we didn't ask for a whole lot," said Castillo, who was wounded in 1944 as he supported the Allied landings in France. "We just want to give our veterans the respect they deserve. No one has ever complained to us about it. I just don't understand." The pair, part of a team that has performed military honors at more than 1,400 services, said they were preparing to read the flag-folding remarks when workers in a staff car came up to them and stopped them. Charlie Waters, parliamentarian for the American Legion of California, said he's advising memorial honor details to ignore the edict, even if it means being kicked out of cemeteries. "This is nuts," Waters, a Korean War veteran, said in a telephone interview from Fresno. "There are 26 million veterans in this country and they're not going to take us all to prison." Washington's Explanation Mike Nacincik, the spokesman for the National Cemetery Administration, said the new policy, which was outlined in a Sept. 27 memo, is aimed at creating uniform services throughout the military graveyard system. He said the 13-fold recital is not part of the U.S. Flag Code and is not government approved. After the complaint made its way through government channels, Steve Muro, director of field operations, wrote the new policy. Nacincik said that while the flag-folding narrative includes references to God that the government does not endorse, the main reason for the new rules is uniformity. "We are looking at consistency," Nacincik said. "We think that's important." As for comments that the edict is an attack on religious beliefs, Nacincik said, "People are going to have their own views on that." He said the flag-folding narrative can be read but only if families make arrangements on their own and do not use cemetery workers, which include volunteers. The U.S. government owns Riverside National, the most active national cemetery in the country with more than 8,000 burials of veterans and immediate family members each year. A Jewish Perspective Rabbi Yitzhak Miller, of Riverside's Temple Beth El, said he understands the government's decision to ban the recitation but believes it is a quick solution to a complex issue. "It is a perfect example of government choosing to ignore religion in order to avoid offending some religions," Miller said. "To me, ignoring religion in general is just as problematic as endorsing any one religion." Miller said the 11th fold, and the 12th fold, which refers to the Christian Trinity -- "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost -- amounts to an endorsement of Judaism and Christianity. He said he would like to see a reference to "God as we understand God" mentioned in the ritual but without endorsing any specific tradition. "To acknowledge those two without acknowledging others denigrates the patriotic men and women of other faiths who serve our country," he said. Family Wishes Lloyd and Castillo said they always speak to families before providing military honors to their loved ones. Honors include a rifle salute, the playing of taps and the folding of the flag. Some families don't want any honors; others decline specific parts of the ceremony. Those wishes are paramount and are always respected. Lloyd said the 16 members of the Memorial Honor Detail he serves on have distributed hundreds of copies of the script they recite while folding the flag. They've received dozens of letters thanking them, and several mention in particular the flag-folding recitation. But now presenting families that memento isn't allowed under the directive. Lloyd, a member of the state American Legion, said he knows Riverside National Cemetery workers are just obeying orders. The real battle is with Washington. "We're going to fight this tooth and nail, hammer and boot," he said. Flag folds These meanings, not part of the U.S. Flag Code, have been ascribed to the 13 folds of American flags at veterans burial services: 1. Symbol of life. 2. Symbol of our belief in the eternal life. 3. In honor and remembrance of the veteran departing our ranks who gave a portion of life for the defense of our country to attain a peace throughout the world. 4. Represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in times of war for His divine guidance. 5. A tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong." 6. Represents where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7. A tribute to our armed forces. 8. A tribute to the one who entered in to the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it flies on Mother's Day. 9. A tribute to womanhood. 10. A tribute to father. 11. In the eyes of a Hebrew citizen, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon, and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 12. In the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost. 13. When the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, "In God We Trust." Sources: USHistory.com, other Web sites

Grand Saline will beat Alba pruddy easy like; Grand Saline expects to win games like these plus they are coming of a win and an ugly win is better then no win. Sorta like my philosophy when I went to the prom back in 89 with the ugly duckiling. Boys I messed that one up cause she wnt to college got hot graduated and makes buckoo money.

This is a warning about an upcoming movie for children in December. It is called The Golden Compass and it stars Nicole Kidman. I don't know if you have heard anything about it or not, but they are going to advertise it as a normal children's movie but in the end it is trying to teach children that there is no God. It is based off of a trilogy of children's books and the author is an atheist. They evidently do some strange things in the movie and at the very end a girl and boy are supposed to be depicting Adam and Eve and then they kill God. They are trying to be very mild about it through the movie until the end so a lot of parents won't even know that it is coming so I wanted to pass the information on to you before you decide to take your children to see this movie. Also, it will be promoting his books so you may want to become familiar with the authors name and the books that he writes! If you want to read more info about it t he website is: http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp <http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp> I know that I was astonished that someone would make a movie like this and especially directed towards children!! I just wanted to pass the info along to you so you could warn your friends with children as well!

Then why didnt you elaborate or support your opinion on why you posted the top 10 the way you did.

Who do they play in the first round?

Gotta go with the Rugged Red. :notworthy:

Congrats to maud and to Coach Finney

Rugged Red to Maud.

I will second that list.

Taco Bell in mexico? Thats Funny

This post made me laugh. Funniest post of the year :notworthy: :thumbdown:

Since Putan disbanded his cabnet and can no longer be the prez of mother russia he will become the next prime minister. Soory for the spelling, I isnt that smart.

Hey as a white male who has made his wealth thru hardwork I will take all the blame for the way America was founded. Because exactly what country or society allowed so many of thier population so many freedoms first? China= no India= no Anycountry from Southwest Asia= no any country from Africa= no any country from europe = no, the closest was Great Britain, but they to fall into the above white, male, rich catagory. any country from South America= no any other country from asia =no Yes, it took till the civil war to end slavery ( but which country never had slavery) yes it took till the the 1920 for women to gain the right to vote 19th amendment I want to say, but all these things happened while white, males were in power in the USA. Well what about the civil rights movement? They were a good thing and I say what about all the civil right violations that still happen in all the other non-white countries in the world to this day? How many minorities have rights in other countrys around the world today like they do in America? So before you go around bashing white males maybe you should thank them (many who were Christain also) for coming up with a way to put this idea of democracy into the worlds vocab. Also thank them for the idea that if you wanna make things better for yourself go and do it. The idea that if you do something that makes you wealthy you get that wealth or if you do something that loses money you get that wealth also. So before you bash America for protecting its people ( by the way that is a requirment for governments) , or bash white males in general , realize if it wasnt for one there wouldnt be the other and if it wasnt for them you wouldnt have the right to express your ideas.

Yes, Ain't America become something? Thanks to people with thoughts like yours who want to protect people who do wrong and punish people who do right, and call evil good and good evil. So were you happy or angry when we were attacked on 9-11-01. Something tells me you were happy based on your last post.

He deserved a lot more then what he got.

So did the qb play or was he on a official visit? :rolleyes:

Hold on pal dont go casting stones, your just upset that people are not bowing down in reverence for your school also.

Famersville by 20, and Rugged Red to Coach Hobbs

Tatum v Garrison = Tatum by as much as they want to Timpson v E. F. = EF by at least 35 Arp V. Troup = Troup I was impressed with Trop last year and maybe they still go IT. W.R. v Waskom = Waskom cause west wusk is still west wusk.

WOW alba has two d1 athletes and they just won thier first game. Overhyped. By the way buzz I aint trying to slam you, and that last part of your post is funny.

Winnsboro 47 White Oak 0 - Hughes Springs 27 Winnsboro 26 Winnsboro 35 Harleton 13 Winnsboro 60 Mount Vernon 14 Thats a pretty good schedule, by the in east texas right now 2a is were it is at. Spring Hill would probably be 3-1 with this schedule also, but they wouldnt of played hughes springs so close they would of lost by 2 scores.

Wow how history has changed within the past 50 years.

Is winnsboro style of play the same as those other teams? It makes a differance you know.

Coaches son acted a fool, wow that is crazy. Good job boy way to make your dad look stupid. I hope this is all just crazy internet talk.