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I strongly believe that TMF Rose Stadium in Tyler would have been the ideal location for this game! It's half way and beneficial for both teams. Playing a Texas 5A playoff game in another state is just plain ridiculous, and it doesn't surprise me that Longview decided to do this. I hope Horn beats the Lobos in this game.

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One logical option for both teams would be to play in Tyler at Rose Stadium, but Horn's Webb turned down the location because he did not want to risk technical difficulties this late in the playoffs.

 

“We played their twice in my three years at Horn and our headphones did not work either time,” Webb said. “I’m not sure if there are some radio signals screwing it up or what, but I didn’t want to take any chance in the state quarterfinals of making a third trip there and not having headphones.”

 

So you still Think "Longview decided to do this"? Hell, we agreed to play in Dallas, then agreed to play in Tyler, But you want to blame Longview for Shreveport because ??? You obviously didn't even know how playoff sites were determined, and from an earlier thread you didn't even know when the UIL started allowing four playoff teams in 5A, nor did you comprehend how Tyler Lee made the playoffs with a worse overall season record than Mesquite and North Mesquite. Did you think pre-season games counted towards Qualifying for playoffs? You have a lot to learn, but thats OK -- just stay right here on Smoaky and we'll educate you free of charge.

 

Oh, and we Lobo fans would still not root against your Panthers playing a playoff game against a metroplex team, if in the next several decades they happen to make the playoffs and win a few.

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One logical option for both teams would be to play in Tyler at Rose Stadium, but Horn's Webb turned down the location because he did not want to risk technical difficulties this late in the playoffs.

 

“We played their twice in my three years at Horn and our headphones did not work either time,” Webb said. “I’m not sure if there are some radio signals screwing it up or what, but I didn’t want to take any chance in the state quarterfinals of making a third trip there and not having headphones.”

 

So you still Think "Longview decided to do this"? Hell, we agreed to play in Dallas, then agreed to play in Tyler, But you want to blame Longview for Shreveport because ??? You obviously didn't even know how playoff sites were determined, and from an earlier thread you didn't even know when the UIL started allowing four playoff teams in 5A, nor did you comprehend how Tyler Lee made the playoffs with a worse overall season record than Mesquite and North Mesquite. Did you think pre-season games counted towards Qualifying for playoffs? You have a lot to learn, but thats OK -- just stay right here on Smoaky and we'll educate you free of charge.

 

Oh, and we Lobo fans would still not root against your Panthers playing a playoff game against a metroplex team, if in the next several decades they happen to make the playoffs and win a few.

 

 

end of story...........

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2001 - Dallas Kimball - Mesquite

2001 - Allen - Irving

2002 - Garland - Tyler

2002 - Dallas Carter - Mesquite

2002 - Spring - Houston

2002 - Lufkin - Tyler

2003 - South Garland - Waco

2004 - North Garland - Garland

2004 - Dallas Jesuit - Ennis

2004 - Lufkin - Nacogdoches

2005 - South Garland - Mesquite

2006 - Dallas Bryan Adams - Mesquite

2006 - Garland - Irving

2007 - WT White - Tyler

2007 - South Garland - Irving

2007 - Leander - Corsicana

2007 - Pflugerville - Waco

2008 - Jacksonville - Tyler

2008 - Lancaster - Dallas

2008 - Dallas Carter - Corsicana

2008 - Waco Midway - Irving

2008 - Denton Guyer - Irving

2008 - Lake Travis - Waco

2009 - Whitehouse - Longview

2009 - Waco Midway - Dallas

2009 - Newman Smith - Corsicana

2009 - Waxahachie - Dallas

2009 - Denton Guyer - Dallas

2009 - Lake Travis - Waco

2010 - Belton - Dallas

2010 - South Garland - Dallas

2010 - Tomball - Waco

 

Just to round off this decade of playoff games. Yea...we've done some traveling.

 

*Yawn*

 

Makes all this site whining and score keeping mean nothing. Just play the game.

 

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Texas High fan here. I enjoy reading these threads with all the complaining about travel. When T-high played Highland Park in Shreveport, it was the shortest playoff trip we had ever had...much closer than our trips to Longview or Tyler or to SFA. I hope we get the opportunity to play at Indy again. It's a great place to watch a game and is very convenient for a huge chunk of East Texas. The turf was horrible a couple of years ago...it's great to hear that new FieldTurf has been installed.

 

The DMN article pointed out that out of state sites are used with some regularity by teams in the corners of Texas. I had recalled the game at NW Louisiana in Natchitoches a few years ago. It makes sense for El Paso teams to play panhandle teams in New Mexico. Why should East Texas teams be required to play Metroplex teams in the Metroplex? I think East Texas teams should choose Indy more often in matchups with Metroplex teams

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Both Webb and Bragg said the team and the Horn community are excited to make the trip to play in Louisiana. Horn is no stranger to long road trips, having played twice this year in Stephenville, which is approximately a two-hour drive from Mesquite. It's about three hours to Shreveport.

 

This is the funniest quote I've ever seen about travelling. Wasn't almost all of Texas High's games close to a 2 hr drive? Remember when Marshall and Nac and Lufkin were all in the same district. Lufkin was about 2 1/2 and Nac was a good 1 1/2 for us to travel.

 

Big disadvantage for Mesquite since they don't even know what a charter bus looks like b/c most of their opponents live within 15-30 miles of them.

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What's all the complaining about? :nowhearthis:

I've heard those Horn kids are excited about playing in the Indy Bowl. Fans are going to be in attendance (Even if it's only parents of players, band, and cheer).

I expect Horn to travel around 1,500 or so. With a team that has never won in the playoffs and just made their 1st apperance 3 yrs ago. Do you honestly think they give a rats about who shows up? They are just thrilled to be at this point. That's why NO ONE from Mesquite is complaining.

 

At the end of the day, will the Horn TEAM Be ready to play? Not their crowd.

 

Football Rules:

Offense - Must play with 11

Defense - Must play with 11

Sp.Team - Must play with 11

 

If the bus gets their shape. We got a game. Longview's Huge Crowd (Like the one in Waco :thumbdown: )

and Horn's lil bitty crowd that will probably not show up won't make a difference.

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i'll bet to a player..not one of these young men playing this game,(and is all about these young men), they couldn't care less if they teed it up in the Brookshires parking lot in Grand Saline as long as they were still able to play in December..all this mindless dribble about the wheres and the how comes doesn't mean a tinker's #### about the outcome of the game...that being said, its going to be a dogfight come Saturday..lots of differences from the first game, qb back..rb out..you name it, it's different..man ain't this time of year great.....GO LOBOS

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By Gabriel D. Brooks Longview News Journal Dec 1, 2010

http://www.news-journal.com/sports/article...bb10fe14a4.html

 

Finding a place to play a high school football playoff game is often a tricky proposition. I suspect it's not as easy as the majority of on-lookers believe.

 

Such is the cause of the statewide outcry launched from West Texas to the Hill Country to — yes, of course — the Metroplex concerning Longview and Mesquite Horn playing their Class 5A Division II Region II final in, gasp, Louisiana. If you have a Twitter account and follow anything related to Texas high school football, you've undoubtedly been exposed to the hate-filled vitriol electronically spewed at everyone possibly involved in determining that a game of such magnitude be played outside the state's borders.

 

The initial reaction consisted mostly of proud Texans voicing their displeasure of their great game stooping to the level of being played in Louisiana. Never mind the fact our neighbors to the east produce more Division I FBS recruits per capita annually than any other state.

 

After the shock wore off, critics pointed to Shreveport's casinos and hotel accommodations, railing against the site because it would take Texas money out of the state to boost the Louisiana economy.

 

Seriously.

 

There were people out there who thought Horn head coach Rodney Webb, Mesquite ISD athletic director Steve Bragg, Longview head coach John King and Longview Director of Extracurricular Activities Pat Collins were in cahoots in a wool-over-the-eyes interstate commerce bamboozling.

 

Still, the discourse raged on, ranging from why didn't the two agree to Trinity Mother Frances Rose Stadium in Tyler, to why didn't they choose SFA, to how dare Longview not simply go along with SMU because Highland Park is so much nicer than Shreveport (the same Highland Park proponent called Longview's decision-making "arrogant." Oh, the irony).

 

In short, here are the whys: (A) Webb did not want Rose Stadium. He told ESPNDallas.com why Monday — "We played there twice in my three years at Horn and our headphones did not work either time." (B) SFA's hosting defending national champion Villanova on Saturday in an FCS playoff. © Why didn't Longview agree to SMU? Uh, the same reason Horn didn't agree to Independence Stadium.

 

The bottom line is Independence Stadium could have been avoided had Horn's decision makers agreed to Kincaide Stadium, which King said was the first option explored. Webb declined despite the fact that Horn's campus is 19.5 miles from Kincaide Stadium, according to Google Maps. Webb, however, acknowledged Longview's recent Kincaide success and did not want to face the Lobos there, King said.

 

King explained that the next option was selecting home-neutral sites — Webb opted for SMU's Gerald Ford Stadium while King opted for Shreveport's Independence Stadium. The coin flip went in Longview's favor.

 

Shreveport it is.

 

It's the nature of the coin-flip beast. If you can't agree on a site, then aren't comfortable with potential home-neutral sites, you're left flipping for two sites that force the loser of the flip to drive through the winner's town to reach the location.

 

In other words, no blame rests with Longview for taking this game out of state. Horn declined a 20-minute drive knowing it could result in a three-hour trek.

 

But don't blame Horn, either. All it did was lose a flip. It happens to everyone.

 

If there's blame to assign for what has become a statewide high school athletics controversy, give it to the outsiders who have no dog in the fight nor clue of the details.

 

After all, there is a precedent for two Texas teams playing at Independence Stadium: Texas High beat Highland Park there in 2006.

 

Maybe that's why the Metroplex disapproves.

 

 

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Just wanna say that I have seen very little if any poor remarks from Horn fans regarding this game... it is actually a breath of fresh air in comparison to previous chatter I have seen on various forums....

 

:thumbsup: to the Jags

 

 

Even on the dallasnews forums the chatter is pretty clean. The only negatives are people outside of both schools who have nothing to do with this game complaining about it being played in Shreveport. Let's face it though.... none of the poeple complaining would have driven to DFW to watch this game be played anyway.

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I think both schools are excited, and a little surprised, to be this far in the playoffs. Horn hasn't been a traditional power and making the fourth round is something special. Longview has made the 4A state title game the past two years but 2010 was really supposed to be a rebuilding year.

 

The Lobos and Horn each have improved since their district game on Oct. 15, especially Horn's offense and Longview's defense. I think Saturday will be a great game at Independence Stadium. I'm expecting a big crowd.

 

Congratulations to both schools for great seasons.

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Deciding on playoff site can result in sizeable debate

 

11:45 PM CST on Thursday, December 2, 2010

 

By CORBETT SMITH / The Dallas Morning News

 

Nearing the climax of the UIL football playoffs, a good bit of discussion of two upcoming 5A regional finals hasn't focused on what will happen on the field.

 

Instead, talk has been all about location, location, location.

 

The Class 5A Division I Region I final between Coppell (13-0) and Euless Trinity (13-0) will be one of the biggest games of the year, but only 12,600 fans will be able to attend tonight's game at Southlake Carroll's Dragon Stadium.

 

And Mesquite Horn fans will have to travel Saturday to Independence Stadium in Shreveport, La., to see their team take on Longview in a rematch of District 11-5A foes, in the 5A Division II Region II final.

 

"I think it's a crying shame," Coppell athletic director John Crawford said of the Dragon Stadium site. "Not just for our fans, but for fans of Texas high school football who will miss out on a game between two excellent football teams."

 

Earlier in the playoffs, Trinity and Allen drew about 40,000 fans at Cowboys Stadium. Because that venue hosts the Big 12 championship game at 7 p.m. Saturday, Coppell and Trinity were forced to scramble for an acceptable site for their game.

 

In discussions before last weekend's games, Trinity pitched Dragon Stadium, while Coppell wanted SMU's Ford Stadium.

 

Coppell officials argued that Dragon Stadium was too small for the throng of fans it expected to draw. Coppell has never made the fourth round of the UIL playoffs and has already sold out its 5,000-ticket allotment.

 

Trinity officials, including coach Steve Lineweaver, thought Dragon Stadium was more than acceptable.

 

Trinity hosted Arlington last season in the fourth round at Bedford's 12,500-seat Pennington Stadium, and the game wasn't a sellout, said Lineweaver.

 

Also, another huge game this weekend – Denton Guyer vs. Southlake Carroll – is being held in Mansfield's Vernon Newsom Stadium, which holds fewer people than Dragon Stadium.

 

Lineweaver said Southlake seemed like a central location.

 

"It's dead center geographically, and it's a bigger stadium than Coppell's and the same size as ours," Lineweaver said.

 

Coppell could have challenged the venue before the flip, according to UIL policy director Mark Cousins.

 

The UIL instituted a bylaw in the playoff rules in 2006, stating "a school cannot be required to flip for a playoff site that is not large enough to accommodate the fans from both schools."

 

The "Highland Park rule" was put in place after it played Marshall at Tyler's Rose Stadium in the Class 4A Division I championship. Marshall won the toss and chose the site as the home-neutral venue. Tickets sold out six days before the game, and Highland Park's fans and administrators pleaded with the UIL to change the venue, but the UIL chose not to get involved.

 

Crawford and coach Joe McBride admit they just forgot about the rule.

 

"After that point, it's between the schools and their superintendents," Cousins said.

 

Crawford said that Coppell superintendent Dr. Jeff Turner did give a call earlier this week to Hurst-Euless-Bedford ISD superintendent Gene Buinger, to no avail.

 

"I argued with them all week that wasn't big enough," Crawford said. "I think they have far underestimated the number of fans interested in that game."

 

For the Horn-Longview game, the biggest question has been how a Texas high school playoff game can be held in Louisiana.

 

Longview coach John King said he wanted to play the game at Dallas' Kincaide Stadium, a short jaunt from Mesquite Horn.

 

But Horn said no for Kincaide as a neutral site, said Horn coach Rodney Webb, since Longview had played there seven times in the last five years. Horn wanted Ford Stadium as its home-neutral, and Longview chose Independence Stadium as its locale.

 

Longview won the toss, so Horn and its fans are now forced to drive a 350-mile round trip for the game.

 

"To be honest with you, we are fired up about playing there," Webb said. "You have to do what's best for your kids, and we thought that playing [in Ford] was the best situation possible."

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