Coach Rab Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I have let your post slide for a while now ...But this one done it for me ! Marshall is a great team and I am willing to admit it !! Not sure what the Marshall guys have done to you but you need to get over it ! Marshall has great football players ! yes, We have had a tough season ...but we have not laid down yet and we want ! You are crazy!!! I have done nothing but support Marshall all year! I updated the game from ATLANTA, GEORGIA last night! I know they have great players on Marshall. I worked hands on with those kids. So let's see, great players= great team? If that is the case then why are we 1-7?!? I have not in any form or fashion led anyone to believe that Marshall has laid down or quit in any game. Their turnovers have killed them. MISTAKES MISTAKES MISTAKES MISTAKES MISTAKES MISTAKES. Is there a game that Marshall has lost that they didn't have a turnover? or 2? or 3? I don't know, but they have Tony Romoitis. I do know that. When Marshall has made a mistake this year it has been costly. You can't say they have lost to inferior teams because all of the teams that they have lost to have more wins than them. That is not a shot at Marshall, but record and play on the field suggest that THE MARSHALL MAVERICKS ARE AN INFERIOR TEAM RIGHT NOW! And until they prove it on the field, noone should believe otherwise. The JT game was a step in the right direction but I am willing to guess that Marshall had 6-7 turnovers. You don't beat Pine Tree or John Tyler's JV with that performance. So I will let your response slide for now. I took it easy on you. But come back with direct quotes with me bashing the coaching staff, players, or my school then we can talk. Until then please come with facts, not assumptions and a gallon of the red 1-7 kool-aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32dive Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I will say this about 14-4A, this is not a slouch district like so many had predicted. HV, NAC, PT, WH, MAR, JAX, KIL have played their butts off and their losses are a result of playing some pretty dang good teams. I'm willing to bet if the UIL came up with an all-teams playoff system, top to bottom, this district would last longer than any other. I haven't watched every game in the district but I have seen JT play all it's games. In a nutshell, JT has earned every win. I believe it's safe to say the same for every team. And yes, PT would beat some people if given the chance with an all-teams playoff system. I don't know the criteria for Coach of Year but the PT coach would get my vote. He has those kids believeing and it shows. Most people can't see the forest for the trees, or in this case, improvements for the losses. 14-4A will sweep Round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfan Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well let see, Coach McFarlin has worked wonders to get Whitehouse to a point where they are a perenial playoff contender. For any of us to second guess what has happened at Whitehouse the last several years or that staff would be pretty stupid. Call it what you want, but he will do what is best for his team and program, as should any good coach. Sherman or Royse City??????????? Advance to at least the second or third round?????????????? I bet they rest some starters and see what happens. Just my take. whitehouse coaching staff needs and overhaul starting at the top ... If you call a 3 or 4th place finish a good season than dont ever change and whitehouse will always be successful.... the present staff has a losing recording overall and has never won a district championship..... you want to tell me about what he has won please tell me and dont tell me a team that might win one playoff game is a perenial power... thats a term used for goes out and strike fear other teams and goes to the playoffs with winning records.... Whitehouse has some great players but trust me that coaching staff hurts them more than helps them ..... the biggest problem with whitehouse is they except mediocrity.... If that is what you want whitehouse coaches are the coaches for you...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 whitehouse coaching staff needs and overhaul starting at the top ... If you call a 3 or 4th place finish a good season than dont ever change and whitehouse will always be successful.... the present staff has a losing recording overall and has never won a district championship..... you want to tell me about what he has won please tell me and dont tell me a team that might win one playoff game is a perenial power... thats a term used for goes out and strike fear other teams and goes to the playoffs with winning records.... Whitehouse has some great players but trust me that coaching staff hurts them more than helps them ..... the biggest problem with whitehouse is they except mediocrity.... If that is what you want whitehouse coaches are the coaches for you...... I agree with all of that except what is bolded. I don't think WH accepts mediocrity at all. They have done the best with the talent they have been given. I really think the coaching staff knew that they were going to have to put all their eggs in the offensive basket this year and are going for it. Realistically, I think the team and coaches know that they are a long shot to make it out of the 1st or 2nd round, but they aren't going to let the kids think or hear that from them. The only people that may accept mediocrity would be the fans, but I haven't seen any on here that really accepts it. They are accepting their team for what it is right now, a team that has to outscore everyone and pray their D makes a stop or 2 along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigA14 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I agree with all of that except what is bolded. I don't think WH accepts mediocrity at all. They have done the best with the talent they have been given. I really think the coaching staff knew that they were going to have to put all their eggs in the offensive basket this year and are going for it. Realistically, I think the team and coaches know that they are a long shot to make it out of the 1st or 2nd round, but they aren't going to let the kids think or hear that from them. The only people that may accept mediocrity would be the fans, but I haven't seen any on here that really accepts it. They are accepting their team for what it is right now, a team that has to outscore everyone and pray their D makes a stop or 2 along the way. Very well said!!! I did see one great moment in the WH, PT game where coach McFarlin got the defense on the sideline in the middle of the second quarter and coached each one of them on their assignments against the wishbone offense, which none of them have probably ever seen. Got out the chalkboard and all. That is not accepting, that is teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigA14 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 whitehouse coaching staff needs and overhaul starting at the top ... If you call a 3 or 4th place finish a good season than dont ever change and whitehouse will always be successful.... the present staff has a losing recording overall and has never won a district championship..... you want to tell me about what he has won please tell me and dont tell me a team that might win one playoff game is a perenial power... thats a term used for goes out and strike fear other teams and goes to the playoffs with winning records.... Whitehouse has some great players but trust me that coaching staff hurts them more than helps them ..... the biggest problem with whitehouse is they except mediocrity.... If that is what you want whitehouse coaches are the coaches for you...... 48 and 42 since the arrival of Randy McFarlan. Not a losing record. And they did win distict in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfan Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 48 and 42 since the arrival of Randy McFarlan. Not a losing record. And they did win distict in 2006. If it is 48 - 42 that is at best mediocrity...... and 2006 they tied for district if you want to call that winning district lol go ahead i will still say he has won nothing outright while at whitehouse .... Most coaches get ran out of town if they lose 42 out of 90 games ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32dive Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 That's looking at the glass half empty. That's not going to happen. OK. So, what about, if Sherman loses to Greenville and Texas High finishes strong against SS and ends the season 5-1. Then the Bearcats would get JT and the Tigers would get WH in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 OK. So, what about, if Sherman loses to Greenville and Texas High finishes strong against SS and ends the season 5-1. Then the Bearcats would get JT and the Tigers would get WH in the first round. If Sherman losses to Greenville that would be a shock. I can see Texas high beating SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KildogDad Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 From the Kilgore side, if JT wins out and Kilgore beats Whitehouse, the Bulldogs lock up the 1 seed in D2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHSCats Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 OK. So, what about, if Sherman loses to Greenville and Texas High finishes strong against SS and ends the season 5-1. Then the Bearcats would get JT and the Tigers would get WH in the first round. Hell would have to freeze over before Sherman lost to Greenville... but interesting to think about just the same. Now Texas High beating SS, since the game is at Grim, I could see that happening very easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 From the Kilgore side, if JT wins out and Kilgore beats Whitehouse, the Bulldogs lock up the 1 seed in D2. To bad I wont be at the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 if it will Texas High and JT. Texas High will have to come to the Rose. why will T-High have to come to Rose Stadium. I may be wrong but Im sure playoff sites are determine on a yearly basis. So its possible JT could go back to T-High again. by the way, is Hallsville enrollment larger than Whitehouse? If so, its possible Hallsville could go D-1. Well either way, JT will be playing T-high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles66 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 why will T-High have to come to Rose Stadium. I may be wrong but Im sure playoff sites are determine on a yearly basis. So its possible JT could go back to T-High again. by the way, is Hallsville enrollment larger than Whitehouse? If so, its possible Hallsville could go D-1. Well either way, JT will be playing T-high. ___ Last year the Lions came to Grim to start bi-district so if the same two teams meet again, it will be at John Tyler's home stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDuckSaddle Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 If it is 48 - 42 that is at best mediocrity...... and 2006 they tied for district if you want to call that winning district lol go ahead i will still say he has won nothing outright while at whitehouse .... Most coaches get ran out of town if they lose 42 out of 90 games ..... However, you might want to go look at the historical section here on smoaky. Coach McFarlin and that staff are the winningest in the schools history. I'm sure Pine Tree would take an average record and playoffs the last five years in a row............just remember, Whitehouse use to be just as bad as Pine Tree, if not WORSE, before McFarlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagrizzlybear Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 JT and WH are going D1 Whitehouse is the 5th largest school in 14-4A. JT, Nac, Marshall, and PT are larger than WH...JT is in...Nac, Marshall and PT are out. So...Jax, HV, Kil, WH will scramble for 2nd-4th in district. WH is larger than those other 3 schools so they will go D 1 and play Sherman in the 1st round. Sherman has the bye this week and WILL NOT lose to Greenville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32dive Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 What if, in the next two games, Marshall (1-4) beats WH and PT to finish 3-4, then, HV (2-3) beats PT and loses to Nac to finish 3-4, then, Nac (1-4) beats JAX and HV to finish 3-4, and JAX (3-2) finishes 3-4 with loses to NAC and JT. Just a little tie-breaker brain teaser. May not happen but it would be interesting to know, who's in and who's out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagrizzlybear Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 What if, in the next two games, Marshall (1-4) beats WH and PT to finish 3-4, then, HV (2-3) beats PT and loses to Nac to finish 3-4, then, Nac (1-4) beats JAX and HV to finish 3-4, and JAX (3-2) finishes 3-4 with loses to NAC and JT. Just a little tie-breaker brain teaser. May not happen but it would be interesting to know, who's in and who's out? I love tiebreaker talk...It can be VERY COMPLICATED...so here goes... If your scenario goes as is, you'd have a 4 way tie for 4th place between Marshall, Hallsville, Nacogdoches, and Jacksonville. While I don't know the tiebreaker procedures in 14-4A...most district's break ties by using... 1) head to head with the tied teams in the games that they played each other...if there is still a tie... 2) point differential in games that all 4 teams played against each other with a 14 point cap. 3) coin flip So, based on the 3 above tiebreakers...and your scenario...this is what you have... Hallsville...beat Marshall by 3, beat Jacksonville by 2, lost to Nac by ???...2-1 Nac...lost to Marshall by 19 (only 14 for tiebreaker purposes), beat Hallsville by ???, beat Jacksonville by ???...2-1 Marshall...beat Nac, lost to Hallsville, lost to Jacksonville...1-2 Jacksonville...beat Marshall, lost to Hallsville, lost to Nac???...1-2 With head to head...Marshall and Jacksonville are eliminated. Now for the complicated part....Hallsville is currently +5...Nac is currently -14. Nac will not only have to win both games, but will have to win by enough points in both games to over take Hallsville in points. No way to know how much Nac would have to beat Hallsville by until they beat Jacksonville. I could list all the points possiblities, but there would be too many to list. However I will give you one... Lets say Nac beats Jax by 7 this week...that puts Nac at -7. In order for them to make the playoffs, Nac would have to beat Hallsville by 7 to make the playoffs. That would put Nac at 0 and Hallsville at -2. Here's one to chew on...Lets say Nac beats Jax by 7 this week...that puts Nac at -7. Nac then beats Hallsville by 6...Nac is at -1...Hallsville is at -1...COIN FLIP!!! Like I said...VERY COMPLICATED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachc45 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 why will T-High have to come to Rose Stadium. I may be wrong but Im sure playoff sites are determine on a yearly basis. So its possible JT could go back to T-High again. by the way, is Hallsville enrollment larger than Whitehouse? If so, its possible Hallsville could go D-1. Well either way, JT will be playing T-high. If a coin flip is used to determine a home and home matchup then the next time those same 2 teams meet in the playoffs, then the game is played at the team that lost the flips site. In other words, since T High hosted JT at Grim last year they have to come to Rose this year. UIL rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 If Kilgore looses to JT and Whitehouse they will be number three. With what you have going on with the tiebreaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablodix Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 If Kilgore looses to JT and Whitehouse they will be number three. With what you have going on with the tiebreaker District 14-4A: John Tyler (5-3)(5-0) Whitehouse (4-4)(4-1) Kilgore (5-3)(4-1) Jacksonville (3-5)(3-2) Hallsville (3-5(2-3) Nacogdoches (1-7)(1-4) Marshall (2-6)(1-4) Pine Tree (0-8)(0-5) Yes JT, WH, and Kilgore are in, I think J'ville could pass Kilgore for #3 spot though, if Kil lose both JT and Wh and Jville wins 1 of last 2 Jville would have tiebreaker I think. That sound right to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 District 14-4A: John Tyler (5-3)(5-0) Whitehouse (4-4)(4-1) Kilgore (5-3)(4-1) Jacksonville (3-5)(3-2) Hallsville (3-5(2-3) Nacogdoches (1-7)(1-4) Marshall (2-6)(1-4) Pine Tree (0-8)(0-5) Yes JT, WH, and Kilgore are in, I think J'ville could pass Kilgore for #3 spot though, if Kil lose both JT and Wh and Jville wins 1 of last 2 Jville would have tiebreaker I think. That sound right to you? Good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagrizzlybear Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 If JAX and KIL end up in a 2 way tie...JAX would win the tiebreaker based on their 27-20 win a couple of weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfan Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 However, you might want to go look at the historical section here on smoaky. Coach McFarlin and that staff are the winningest in the schools history. I'm sure Pine Tree would take an average record and playoffs the last five years in a row............just remember, Whitehouse use to be just as bad as Pine Tree, if not WORSE, before McFarlin. Why not be better...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfan Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Why not be better...... Do you want to be compared to losing programs or to really be that perenial power you have fanasties about.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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