LoboFan07 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I will be glad when the subject at hand can be discussed without the LOBO HENDERSON DEBATE PLEASE. The subject I think is who can make to the SC. I believe Carthage has the best chance out of all teams from East Texas. They have D1 Trent Jackson at LB and RB, QB and RB, outstanding O-line and D-line. They have one of the most sought after DT in the state. They return a house full of starters and the best High School football coach in the state. In his respective class? Maybe, but not the entire state. Lord no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleborn Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 In his respective class? Maybe, but not the entire state. Lord no. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilEagle Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 In his respective class? Maybe, but not the entire state. Lord no. Best in entire state, probably not. One of the best in entire state no matter what the class? Yes. Some coaches enjoy staying in the easy leagues (sarcasm from another post) and do not like the big schools or the problems that come with them. Some of these small school coaches make just as much as the 5 A coaches. Granted they are the A/D as well, so pay may not be the same for just coaching football. But many coaches have went from Highschool to College and college to Pro and have done very good. Then there are some that have dropped from pro to college and college to highschool and did not do much better. Size does not always matter, even though some on here think that size is all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Best in entire state, probably not. One of the best in entire state no matter what the class? Yes. Some coaches enjoy staying in the easy leagues (sarcasm from another post) and do not like the big schools or the problems that come with them. Some of these small school coaches make just as much as the 5 A coaches. Granted they are the A/D as well, so pay may not be the same for just coaching football. But many coaches have went from Highschool to College and college to Pro and have done very good. Then there are some that have dropped from pro to college and college to highschool and did not do much better. Size does not always matter, even though some on here think that size is all that matters. No where in my post that I indicate that it did. I think Evans down in Tatum is a better coach than Surratt. Surratt isn't the best coach in Texas. Not even top 10. Great coach though. IMO, the best 3A coach in ET is Sitton at Chapel Hill. Surratt and Traylor have athletes every year. Sitton turned around Chapel Hill. It was what, 4 years ago when Chapell Hill could barely earn .500? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackflag79 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 No where in my post that I indicate that it did. I think Evans down in Tatum is a better coach than Surratt. Surratt isn't the best coach in Texas. Not even top 10. Great coach though. IMO, the best 3A coach in ET is Sitton at Chapel Hill. Surratt and Traylor have athletes every year. Sitton turned around Chapel Hill. It was what, 4 years ago when Chapell Hill could barely earn .500? And Chapel Hill doesn't??? They've always had an abundance of athletes. It just took a good coach like Sitton to pull them together and get the most out of them. When you compare coaches you have to consider several things: 1) Record 2) Student body size compared to other schools in their classification 3) Number of quality student athletes (good athletes) 4) The character the coaches instill in the players This is not all of the factors that determine success, but it's definitely a big portion of it. All of these coaches deserve to be mentioned as being VERY good coaches, but to determine who is the best is a wash because of all the factors involved. I know Gilmer has had a lot of success for being a smallish 3A school. Their student body at the high school is only 641. That is considerably smaller than the student bodies of Chapel Hill and Carthage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackflag79 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't think he meant Carthage and Gilmer wern't any good but yal have a history of winning. I know that, but they were talking about which coach was the best. There's several factors that are involved in making a determination of that, and I was just pointing them out. The really good athletes come in cycles, especially at smaller schools, but to still win when the number of really good athletes are not as many is one the biggest factors in determining the successfulness of the coaches, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilEagle Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 No where in my post that I indicate that it did. I think Evans down in Tatum is a better coach than Surratt. Surratt isn't the best coach in Texas. Not even top 10. Great coach though. IMO, the best 3A coach in ET is Sitton at Chapel Hill. Surratt and Traylor have athletes every year. Sitton turned around Chapel Hill. It was what, 4 years ago when Chapell Hill could barely earn .500? I agree that the others are better or just as good, but I would say he was probably in top 10% in Texas. Evans and staff probably had there best coaching year ever last year. They had less talent and many injuries to overcome but still made it to the semi-finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 IMO, the best 3A coach in ET is Sitton at Chapel Hill. Surratt and Traylor have athletes every year. Sitton turned around Chapel Hill. It was what, 4 years ago when Chapell Hill could barely earn .500? Here's the deal. Carthage has ALWAYS had great athletes but we just won our first state title a few years ago. I think coaching had something to do with that. Surrat can think on the fly better than any coach i've ever seen. I go to a lot of Euless Trinity games and if Surrat was their head coach they would be at 5 in a row now. Surrat hasn't always had the most athletic team around. How that 2010 won a state title, only a few coaches could have made that happen. They look VERY dismal in pre district. As for CH, they always have good athletes well atleast in the time I was in school. Henderson has also had great athletes over the years but it takes the right type of coach to make it work. If he's not the best then tell me who is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman1 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 No where in my post that I indicate that it did. I think Evans down in Tatum is a better coach than Surratt. Surratt isn't the best coach in Texas. Not even top 10. Great coach though. IMO, the best 3A coach in ET is Sitton at Chapel Hill. Surratt and Traylor have athletes every year. Sitton turned around Chapel Hill. It was what, 4 years ago when Chapell Hill could barely earn .500? I'm impressed that a Lobo fan even Knows who Surratt is..Lol... especially since he is a coach in one of the irrelevant easy leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Here's the deal. Carthage has ALWAYS had great athletes but we just won our first state title a few years ago. I think coaching had something to do with that. Surrat can think on the fly better than any coach i've ever seen. I go to a lot of Euless Trinity games and if Surrat was their head coach they would be at 5 in a row now. Surrat hasn't always had the most athletic team around. How that 2010 won a state title, only a few coaches could have made that happen. They look VERY dismal in pre district. As for CH, they always have good athletes well atleast in the time I was in school. Henderson has also had great athletes over the years but it takes the right type of coach to make it work. If he's not the best then tell me who is. I just told you. Sitton and Evans are better coaches than Surratt. With at least 6 FBS players on the roster, you really think that 2010 team wasn't talented? Surratt isn't better than Lineweaver. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I just told you. Sitton and Evans are better coaches than Surratt. With at least 6 FBS players on the roster, you really think that 2010 team wasn't talented? Surratt isn't better than Lineweaver. Good grief. Question? How many Carthage games have you attended? They had 6 FBS players on that roster? News to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Question? How many Carthage games have you attended? They had 6 FBS players on that roster? News to me. Pope-A&M Claiborne-Went to TJC, but had a FBS offer from LA Monroe. Isn't he the best WR in Carthage history? Holland-Air Force Thompson-Texas Brantley-Oklahoma State Morgan-ETBU, but chose them over Mary-Hardin Baylor. The big colleges were interested as well, but he was simply to small to be a next level QB. Didin't Surratt claim that Morgan was the "most accurate passer he'd ever coached"? Get over yourself. That 10' team was talented and you know it. Sitton>Surratt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Pope-A&M Claiborne-Went to TJC, but had a FBS offer from LA Monroe. Isn't he the best WR in Carthage history? Holland-Air Force Thompson-Texas Brantley-Oklahoma State Morgan-ETBU, but chose them over Mary-Hardin Baylor. The big colleges were interested as well, but he was simply to small to be a next level QB. Didin't Surratt claim that Morgan was the "most accurate passer he'd ever coached"? Get over yourself. That 10' team was talented and you know it. Sitton>Surratt Get over myself? Really? I promise you it's really not that serious. I'm not going to spend a whole day arguing with you over high school football like some others will. You may need to get over yourself. So they had 3 not six FBS players on the team. Where did 6 come from? I don't think Holland is playing football at Air Force(I may be wrong on that), i think he's just going to school. The offense wasn't the question mark at the time. It was the defense as a whole. Surrat had to figure out the right players to put on the field. All but two you listed were on the offensive side of the ball. As for Claiborne being the best in History, numbers wise yes but Carthage has never had qbs as good as blackshire and morgan ever. We've had Krishna Wall, Anthony Pope, MC Walker, Charles Westmoreland and a few others who can contend for that. When we had Coach reynolds we were a run first team, but surrat had no problem airing it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyforchrist Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Get over myself? Really? I promise you it's really not that serious. I'm not going to spend a whole day arguing with you over high school football like some others will. You may need to get over yourself. So they had 3 not six FBS players on the team. Where did 6 come from? I don't think Holland is playing football at Air Force(I may be wrong on that), i think he's just going to school. The offense wasn't the question mark at the time. It was the defense as a whole. Surrat had to figure out the right players to put on the field. All but two you listed were on the offensive side of the ball. As for Claiborne being the best in History, numbers wise yes but Carthage has never had qbs as good as blackshire and morgan ever. We've had Krishna Wall, Anthony Pope, MC Walker, Charles Westmoreland and a few others who can contend for that. When we had Coach reynolds we were a run first team, but surrat had no problem airing it out. You forgot Joey Blissitt and his gaint receives pope and wesmoreland. They carried them to the state championship in 4a 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyforchrist Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I just told you. Sitton and Evans are better coaches than Surratt. With at least 6 FBS players on the roster, you really think that 2010 team wasn't talented? Surratt isn't better than Lineweaver. Good grief. Wrong again, Coach S at Carthage, the Coach at Gilmer, and coach Evans at Tatum are three of the best anywhere in the state. Look at there records since they arrived at those schools. They have 7 state championships and played in 10 state championship games. Name me another coach or coaches anywhere in East Texas with that resume. You can throw Daingerfied's coach B in that group as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Wrong again, Coach S at Carthage, the Coach at Gilmer, and coach Evans at Tatum are three of the best anywhere in the state. In their respective classes, they sure are. That still doesn't change my mind though. Evans, Sitton > Surratt and Traylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilEagle Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 In their respective classes, they sure are. That still doesn't change my mind though. Evans, Sitton > Surratt and Traylor One mans character on the list is for sure > than anothers on the list. Will not name names, but sometimes the best coach might not have the most championships. Coaching these young guys into becoming good men is more important in my mind than a championship. Now if you can do both, then I would say you are one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman1 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 In their respective classes, they sure are. That still doesn't change my mind though. Evans, Sitton > Surratt and Traylor So Wolfie just out of curiosity...who is the best coach in the area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtee2 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 So Wolfie just out of curiosity...who is the best coach in the area? Sumbdy in another post say surratt got 3 titles in 5 years of work. Not down playing other coaches but thats pretty daggum good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman1 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Why the Great Coach KIng surely you know that being a lowly 3a fan and all! I think thats where it was headed but I wanted to make sure...I for one would gladly take/keep Surratt over all of the other "better" coaches in the state especially if he keeps bringing championships to Carthage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Surratt isn't better than Lineweaver. Good grief. Why do you think Lineweaver is special? With lineman the size and quality he has, there are many coaches in the state who could produce the same results as him IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugLine Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Im not counting CH out yet. They are stacked with great looking athletes and a great coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleborn Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Why do you think Lineweaver is special? With lineman the size and quality he has, there are many coaches in the state who could produce the same results as him IMHO. Let's not forget what Lineweaver did at Commerce.. Put them on the map... Not disagreeing with what your saying though, just throwing that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think thats where it was headed but I wanted to make sure You really believe that wolfie thinks John King is the best coach in the State? You are just as misguided as Lion70 is if you believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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