buckeyebob Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Think I talked about Tatum's #'s in the first realignment thread a while back. UIL wants more schools in 3A (or new 4A). Tatum's fate will probably depend on whether or not the UIL wants more 2A (or new 3A) schools to move up, or bring down some 4A (or new 5A) schools. I have always been under the imprssion that they basically decide on how many will be in 5A/6A and tthe ball rolls down hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxFight Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I have always been under the imprssion that they basically decide on how many will be in 5A/6A and tthe ball rolls down hill That's pretty much how it works. And they start the districts out in panhandle and go clockwise. That's why you get some interesting districts by the time you get in region 3 and 4. I'm just pulling this out of this air number wise, but they basically pick say 250 and find the number that puts them as close to that as possible in 5/6a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franksnbeans Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Carthage is @ 741 now...my understanding is they are growing...that should put them in Div 2 'cause I think the split will be ~700 that would put them in D1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckNut Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Looking at the projections for 4A-1 for East Texas and, barring major changes in enrollment, then L-E, Paris, North Lamar will find themselves on district islands. Either that trio goes way southeast to group with the likes of Kilgore, Henderson, Carthage, Chapel Hill, Brownsboro, Athens or you could potentially have a Red River northern alliance that stetches from Gainesville to Texarkana. I'm all for equity in competition, but the price you pay for comparable district groupings with excess travel, lost instructional time and inconvenience far outweighs what you might gain. I'd rather see district alignments that make more geographical sense even if they cross classification boundaries with a separate system of pairings for playoffs or contests based on enrollment. Let everyone be eligible to make the playoff bracket for their size grouping. We're not far from that now. Remember this is only for football. Teams can make their pre district so the long travel will may only be for 2 or 3 games of which 1 or 2 would be home games. Say you had LE, NL, Paris, Carthage, Kilgore, and Hend in a district you would have 3 long trips in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitemwheretheyaint Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Looking at the projections for 4A-1 for East Texas and, barring major changes in enrollment, then L-E, Paris, North Lamar will find themselves on district islands. Either that trio goes way southeast to group with the likes of Kilgore, Henderson, Carthage, Chapel Hill, Brownsboro, Athens or you could potentially have a Red River northern alliance that stetches from Gainesville to Texarkana. I'm all for equity in competition, but the price you pay for comparable district groupings with excess travel, lost instructional time and inconvenience far outweighs what you might gain. I'd rather see district alignments that make more geographical sense even if they cross classification boundaries with a separate system of pairings for playoffs or contests based on enrollment. Let everyone be eligible to make the playoff bracket for their size grouping. We're not far from that now. Gonna be some late late Tuesday night/Wednesday morning arrivals home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEdge Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Tatum has better facilities than most 4A schools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonSwanson Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Wonder where a team with 540 would fall in the new classification? 4A div.2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxFight Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Wonder where a team with 540 would fall in the new classification? 4A div.2? Spring Hill? But yes small school of that division. I don't think the number rises that much to knock them down to 3A d1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franksnbeans Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Spring Hill? But yes small school of that division. I don't think the number rises that much to knock them down to 3A d1 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorncrazy Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 The new 4A (currently 3A) will try to have 100 schools in each division. Look for the ceiling number to be around 1050. This will send some low end 5A's ( what is now 4A) down to 4A DI. I do not expect the bottom number to change much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It will be nice to see what they come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franksnbeans Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 The new 4A (currently 3A) will try to have 100 schools in each division. Look for the ceiling number to be around 1050. This will send some low end 5A's ( what is now 4A) down to 4A DI. I do not expect the bottom number to change much.450-750 for D-2 and 750-1050 for D-1 sounds reasonable if the number of schools is roughly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franksnbeans Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 The new 4A (currently 3A) will try to have 100 schools in each division. Look for the ceiling number to be around 1050. This will send some low end 5A's ( what is now 4A) down to 4A DI. I do not expect the bottom number to change much. East Texas teams & possible new 4A Tatum 448 Palestine Westwood 448.5 Mineola 454 Spring Hill 507 Atlanta 510 Canton 566 Diboll 502 Rusk 570 Gladewater 586 Pleasant Grove 593 Bullard 594 Center 624 Gilmer 629 Van 655 Pittsburg 660 Quinlan-Ford 693 Liberty Eylau 730 Carthage 741 --------------------------(possible cutoff?) Wills Point 778 Palestine 802 Brownsboro 870 Henderson 888 Paris 891 North Lamar 892 Athens 917 Mabank 946 Chapel Hill 961 Kilgore 968 Lindale 1090 I don't know how representative East Texas is of the rest of the state, but it looks like the number separating D-1& D-2 might have to be closer to 650. What do yall think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxFight Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I really don't know where that cutoff is gonna fall. We really don't know where the bottom number of that class will be either. When you look at the small schools the UiL has already said they are bumbling the bottom number up 5. When looking at the old 1A cutoff, just 5 kids brings several more schools into the picture. Those same schools have to be replaced by raising the top number, which raises the bottom number of the next class and so on and so forth. We may actually see a case where the new class 4A shrinks as far as the gap between the bottom enrollment and the top enrollment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther89 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Will Spring Hill be 4A DII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleborn Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Will Spring Hill be 4A DII? More than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCreek49 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 450-750 for D-2 and 750-1050 for D-1 sounds reasonable if the number of schools is roughly the same.D-2 would have the harder road, there is a much bigger difference between sizes 450 and 750 than schools of 751 and 1050. A more even split, size wise, would be 450 to 684 and D-1 being 685 to 1050. Also, just a coincidence but that would equal a 13 to 13 split between 4-D1 & D2 teams listed in the example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxFight Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Will Spring Hill be 4A DII? If I was a betting man that's where I would put my money on them landing. There's a better chance of them being 3AD1 than 4AD1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackem Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I have always been under the imprssion that they basically decide on how many will be in 5A/6A and tthe ball rolls down hill I think everyone on here has forgotten the main factor in this mathematical equation. They take Highland Park's number and put it at the top of a division then go up for next division. and go down for other divisions. Lake Travis's numbers will have probably moved them up but extra care will be taken to make sure a Lake Travis does't fall in the division with the Scott's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMSSW Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Looking at the projections for 4A-1 for East Texas and, barring major changes in enrollment, then L-E, Paris, North Lamar will find themselves on district islands. Either that trio goes way southeast to group with the likes of Kilgore, Henderson, Carthage, Chapel Hill, Brownsboro, Athens or you could potentially have a Red River northern alliance that stetches from Gainesville to Texarkana. I'm all for equity in competition, but the price you pay for comparable district groupings with excess travel, lost instructional time and inconvenience far outweighs what you might gain. I'd rather see district alignments that make more geographical sense even if they cross classification boundaries with a separate system of pairings for playoffs or contests based on enrollment. Let everyone be eligible to make the playoff bracket for their size grouping. We're not far from that now. Any chance SS drops down to 4A-Div 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunzT Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I think everyone on here has forgotten the main factor in this mathematical equation. They take Highland Park's number and put it at the top of a division then go up for next division. and go down for other divisions. Lake Travis's numbers will have probably moved them up but extra care will be taken to make sure a Lake Travis does't fall in the division with the Scott's. Finally a statement backed up by history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDellaRosa Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Any chance SS drops down to 4A-Div 1? There's probably a little less than 50-50 chance they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyebob Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 that would put them in D1 My bad...glad someone is checking my work...it is hell to get old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyebob Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 450-750 for D-2 and 750-1050 for D-1 sounds reasonable if the number of schools is roughly the same. I vote for that but I see 700 is the break...there are a number of "metro" schools that are increasing size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franksnbeans Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I vote for that but I see 700 is the break...there are a number of "metro" schools that are increasing size. yep... I really don't get into the realignment stuff like some others do, because its like trying to be a mind reader. Noone knows exactly what the UIL will do. Unless you have all of the numbers and the regional maps, etc. it's hard to guess who will wind up where. But, I'm glad some folks like it because it's fun to look at some of the projections. I believe the 3a split was really needed glad to see it finally happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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