LilEagle Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Argyle vs Celina girls basketball regional final. Double overtime with horrible ending. Watch it and you make the call. So many times as fans we say how awful the refs are and how our team got cheated, but this is a horrible way to go out. Similar thing happened to Tatum girls back in 1989 I believe. Tatum was down by three and Tatum tried a 3 pointer and missed, but got rebound and put it back up and foul was called. The shot was counted but refs said the foul happened after the buzzer and lost by one. Hard way to go out, but just shows the girls that life is not always fair. http://www.wfaa.com/sports/high-school/argyle-girls-head-to-final-four-after-apparent-foul-now-called-246796471.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberhammer Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Girls flop all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the Argyle girl grazed her early in the shooting stance and the Celina girl started the flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarnackKing Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 As bad as it gets. No comment from officials. Argyle fans were real classy too. Nice use of sign language. This was as embarrassing of an ending as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLobos Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Did the Celina player travel, was there a foul? Whatever the scenario, the refs should have clarified before leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild74 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't understand, if they called a foul did one of the refs say she was fouled after time ran out...Only explanation. Still looks like time was left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberhammer Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Rubberhammer I think you might want to watch the video then throw out an opinion. I did watch the video btex. This isn't Dawson, you don't get ticky tack fouls in the playoffs. Don't you think if the Argyle girl had hacked her hard enough that her arm wouldn't have continued forward in the shooting motion? The video doesn't show the Argyle girl's arm hitting the shooter's arm, it shows her sticking her arm out in front of her body and there's no way you can see contact from that camera angle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibleedmaroon Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Wow. The backboard clearly lights up red after the girl was fouled. Thats a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleborn Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Here's another angle. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfj1w9OIKs&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzem Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Crazy ending. Not sure exactly what the officials ruled, but you can tell the Argyle player thought she had fouled her. As soon as it happened she had her hands over her head looking like she knew she fouled her. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTiger41 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Crazy ending. Not sure exactly what the officials ruled, but you can tell the Argyle player thought she had fouled her. As soon as it happened she had her hands over her head looking like she knew she fouled her. Interesting. +1. I noticed that also and I was thinking the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLobos Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I think the foul is obvious. The question is did she travel and is that what the ref was calling when he raised his hand? We have these questions because he ran off the court without explination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Here's another angle. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfj1w9OIKs&feature=youtu.be That angle made it look like a definite travel prior to the hack from behind....but if that was the call, then why not at least signal that? Why just leave the court like nothing happened? Weird. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibleedmaroon Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Should have been shooting 3 free throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibleedmaroon Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 ....but they could have definitely called a carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTiger41 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If he called travel then you still have people upset, but at least you know the call. It seems like the officials panicked. Should have stayed on court and talked it through then informed both coaches. +1. This was a big time game. Coaches, players and fans should have been notified of what happened and what didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberhammer Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Stop the video on exactly 0:10 of 1:24 and you see one foot on the ground and one still in the air, making it a clear travel. Although, I think the ref blew his whistle for a foul, even though it kinda looks like the Argyle girl surprised the Celina shooter by hitting the ball early in the shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smooth64 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This has by far been the worst year of officiating that I have witnessed, bar none. I have watched inept officials decide the outcome of games so many times this year, even ending with the last one I watched. Girl should have been shooting 3 freethrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Clearly a foul, no traveling. Should have been 3 shots but we can't see if her toe was on the line (?) She hacked the dog out of her and the Argyle girl knew it -- look at her expression. The bad thing is they called it -- then changed it. I refereed BBall for 20 years, 10 in college -- you NEVER change a call like that UNLESS they deemed the shot after the buzzer -- and then the foul would have to be flagrant. It wasn't flagrant. Did the 3 officials ask for help from the table to see if the buzzer went off before the shot? Hmmmm. Hansen doesn't say that . . . there are no replays in HS. Just a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The other angle on youtube posted CLEARLY shows a foul and she should have been awarded 3 shots. Again, no travel because she takes one step, both feet come down at the same time, and she shoots (jump stop) had one foot come up before the shot, yes, traveling. BOTH feet left the floor at the same time -- no traveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackflag79 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I agree with Matt. It should've been a foul, and the girl should've been awarded 3 free throws. There's no guarantee the girl would've hit the free throws, but she still should've gotten the opportunity. The refs were very unprofessional, and need to be reprimanded for running off the court in a big game like that without an explanation. I don't know how they could've justified not explaining what the call was before running off the court like that. Tough break for the Celina girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberhammer Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The other angle on youtube posted CLEARLY shows a foul and she should have been awarded 3 shots. Again, no travel because she takes one step, both feet come down at the same time, and she shoots (jump stop) had one foot come up before the shot, yes, traveling. BOTH feet left the floor at the same time -- no traveling. Clearly you didn't stop the youtube video at the 0:10 mark because it shows one foot down and the other in the air, deeming a step when it should've been both feet hitting the floor at the same time. Travelling violation, case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberhammer Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The case would be closed if the official had signaled that, but since he did not seems like that is why we have a case.... I agree. There is a case because refs handled the situation poorly. But she did travel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackflag79 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If I remember the rules right, you are allowed one step before a jump stop shot. If that's the case, it's not a travel. Matt should know the rules because he used to be an official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Crazy ending. Not sure exactly what the officials ruled, but you can tell the Argyle player thought she had fouled her. As soon as it happened she had her hands over her head looking like she knew she fouled her. Interesting. Also check out the ref. He pauses and slows down twice as if he was going to call the foul. The other ref runs him off the court... The final ref was like "WTH just happened??? Why didn't you call that???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Clearly you didn't stop the youtube video at the 0:10 mark because it shows one foot down and the other in the air, deeming a step when it should've been both feet hitting the floor at the same time. Travelling violation, case closed. So the travelling violation is called by the ref rolling his hands to signal a travel right? The ref blew his whistle to signal a stop in play or a violation, but he just ran off of the court. Therefore, NOTHING, NOTTA, No BEUNO, NO VIOLATION HAPPENED! How do draw the conclusion that travelling was the call? YOU CAN'T! So it may appear to be travelling, it may appear to be a foul, but we don't really know what happened except the ref, blew his whistle to stop play and did NOTHING! So the only case to be closed is the coulda shoulda wouldas here. There was clear contact, and probable travelling. Who knows what was actually going to be call. Our answer ran off the court like a scared dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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