JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You are so ignorant of the game it's comical... SOS in baseball has NOTHING to do with a teams rankings. Absolutely nothing. If you are going to argue at least be knowledgeable about what you are arguing. Internet confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 It's actually very easy to argue... There are dozens of season long stats that can prove the sec is better. More teams in, higher RPI, more national seeds, better SOS... Just because the big 12 got hot in 4 regionals doesn't mean they are "easy to argue" the best conference... Sorry man but that dog just doesn't hunt. The proof of a really good team in college baseball is the CWS tournament. I don't care how many wins SEC teams rack up against each other. I wanna see how they compare to the other good programs in other conferences. Answer: poorly. Put this into perspective. The sec has had a participant in the championship series every year since 2007. The last time the big 12 had a participant at all was Texas in 2005. Didn't want this to get lost in the shuffle. Especially since post season results are all that matter to some. And also... I'm very interested to see what their opinions will be if the sec teams that do advance make it farther than the 4 big 12 teams? What's the logic then? I'm pretty sure we are talking about THIS year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry man but that dog just doesn't hunt. The proof of a really good team in college baseball is the CWS tournament. I don't care how many wins SEC teams rack up against each other. I wanna see how they compare to the other good programs in other conferences. Answer: poorly.Put this into perspective. The sec has had a participant in the championship series every year since 2007. The last time the big 12 had a participant at all was Texas in 2005. Do we really need to argue any further? After all, that's your requirements. CWS results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 A ranking has nothing to do with SOS. Say what? Lolol Put this into perspective. The sec has had a participant in the championship series every year since 2007. The last time the big 12 had a participant at all was Texas in 2005. Do we really need to argue any further? After all, that's your requirements. CWS results... This year man, this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 If I were to compare baseball to another sport, I think basketball is a better comparison as it is tournament play - not bowl game. But basketball is not an accurate comparison, as baseball is double elimination.. The Aggies were not expected to win the regional as they were a 3 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Say what? Lolol Ranking in polls have nothing to do with how SOS is calculated. Should've clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Even if he is talking about THIS year, the year isn't over yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 If I were to compare baseball to another sport, I think basketball is a better comparison as it is tournament play - not bowl game. But basketball is not an accurate comparison, as baseball is double elimination.. The Aggies were not expected to win the regional as they were a 3 seed. Yeah. A&M wasn't that great this year at all. 10th in the SEC. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ranking in polls have nothing to do with how SOS is calculated. Should've clarified. Then how is it calculated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Even if he is talking about THIS year, the year isn't over yet... We are talking about the results so far. LSU is going down so that will be 2 out of 10 teams. That is bad no matter how you slice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Then how is it calculated? Opponent's record * some constant (I can't remember what) + Opponent's opponent's records * a small constant I think it's .75 and .25 respectively, but I'd have to look again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ok your right but would you say winning games does prove a point then? Or is Florida and LSU still top 10 teams????? Who posted about the great ACC??? I enjoy messing with you guys but Johnny you talked a lot of SEC smack where are you 10 teams ????? How come they lost did 7 teams fall due to bad luck??? Why can't you just say SEC was over rated??? Stay on task this is a baseball thread. They aren't overrated because it wasn't like humans chose them as the toughest conference. It's not like people said, "Hey! The SEC is the greatest just cause they're the SEC!" That would mean they were overrated. The numbers said they were tough. Now, if you have a beef with how SOS is calculated, that's a whole nother thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 We are talking about the results so far. LSU is going down so that will be 2 out of 10 teams. That is bad no matter how you slice it. Right... so what if Ole Miss and Vandy play in the championship series? Or what if they just both make the CWS while no Big XII teams do? Then the SEC has 2 teams in Omaha while the Big XII has 0. Does that mean the SEC is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Right... so what if Ole Miss and Vandy play in the championship series? Or what if they just both make the CWS while no Big XII teams do? Then the SEC has 2 teams in Omaha while the Big XII has 0. Does that mean the SEC is better? Well then that would definitely boost their level of success in the CWS. As of right now the SEC is collectively crapping the bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I believe you said SEC and ACC were toughest or do I have wrong person??? I said that according to SOS, A&M played the 11th toughest schedule in the country, meaning that even with the poor OOC schedule, they deserved to be in the tournament according to their RPI. Not highly ranked, just barely in the tournament (which they were). It's not like the SEC was just a joke and A&M got in just because. It was a tough conference according to the numbers. The teams running into trouble in the regionals has nothing to do with that and is dependent on a lot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry Johnny I was wrong it was WETSU "This is comical... I don't care what the tournament results are, the SEC and the ACC are better baseball conferences than the big 12." Not a problem. :) Just don't confuse any of us with Internet and it'll all be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 They aren't overrated because it wasn't like humans chose them as the toughest conference. It's not like people said, "Hey! The SEC is the greatest just cause they're the SEC!" That would mean they were overrated. The numbers said they were tough. Now, if you have a beef with how SOS is calculated, that's a whole nother thread. Ben McDonald has pretty much said that for like 5 days straight now. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootball Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ben McDonald has pretty much said that for like 5 days straight now. Lol He.... is a pretty bad announcer haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Then how is it calculated?Winning percentages of opponents and their opponents opponents. RPI is similar and takes into account big wins and losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 He.... is a pretty bad announcer haha. He's just still mad that Texas shelled him in his final college game lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Winning percentages of opponents and their opponents opponents. RPI is similar and takes into account big wins and losses.OK thanks...as much as I follow college baseball I've never bothered to find out how SOS or RPI is calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I just don't understand the argument against the sec being overrated or SOS not being legit. RPI and SOS are a mathematical format that CANNOT BE OVERRATED BECAUSE ITS NUMBERS AND FACTS!!! The sec had a better RPI and SOS than the sec in the regular season. The post season so far is not over so how anyone thinks they could just use post season results is naive too. Like Johnny said... What happens if the sec puts more in Omaha? And even then does a decades worth of more success for the sec take away because of one seasons worth of REGIONAL games? The sec is and has been from top to bottom during the season and post season for several straight years. ONE season where through one round the big 12 does better and now they are better? Get out of here. The big 12 is having success right now in the first round of the tournament. That's far from making them the toughest baseball conference in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 OK thanks...as much as I follow college baseball I've never bothered to find out how SOS or RPI is calculated.No sweat man. I understand it's confusing. Even I do not understand the math exactly. I just know it's a formula that basis stats and winning percentages and there is absolutely no way conference affiliation influences it and there's no way that human voters effect it. It's much more efficient than the BCS and football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Well im not trying to say the SEC didn't deserve every bid they got, but they sure aren't helping their cause by the way they've played so far. May just be bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 I find it interesting that we are having a halfway intelligent, civilized discussion without internet around......hmm lol :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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