CreasyBear Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 honestly i dont think west sabine joaquin or Sa is as good as last year so shelbyville will benefit only because of that We don't care why we are better than you. No one does. Fact is - we ARE better than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderD15 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 just finding who will finish last either beckville or cushing??? will be a barnburner bka the toilet bowl alto will go to state semis, too much talent but refugio or mart will win state Mart isn't even in our region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat51993 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 And vice versa brother when you talk about state and playoffs Alto is on the top of everyone's list. They field a great team every year. Just know that Shelbyville has some people talking. Work with a guy from Alto whos son is the tall wr and nephew is the qb. ALTO is a great team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red90fly Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 brother when you talk about state and playoffs Alto is on the top of everyone's list. They field a great team every year. Just know that Shelbyville has some people talking. Work with a guy from Alto whos son is the tall wr and nephew is the qb. ALTO is a great team I've been singing Shelbyville praises every since we played last year , go back and look I've stated numerous times that they are top 3 in Region to me and I picked them to win this district back in spring/summer. I was just basing it off of back in spring many people was brushing Alto off due to graduating a lot the previous season. I'm still sticking with my Shelbyville to win prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramfan1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 as far as the game vs joaquin, i give it to the rams they ran it down our throats. sometimes the players need to step up. no excuses you can look for more of the same with sville they run the ball very good and can defend the run well. dont know about the pass as joe doesnt do that much. but they can RUN the ball and since sa cant stop it i look for sville to run at will against the sa defence. i predict sville by a bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We don't care why we are better than you. No one does. Fact is - we ARE better than you. One year only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWB Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nope 2 years of ;(?:$&! Kicking, the same kids are coming back next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreasyBear Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 One year only. One in many to come Lambo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreasyBear Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nope 2 years of ;(?:$&! Kicking, the same kids are coming back next year TWB, as much as I love the kids that play for us, we had these kids last year. We have them this year and after that, we'll have plenty of kids coming up in what is becoming a town effort. If you lived here like I do, you would realize this is the beginning of something special. I think that's why 90Fly recognizes what he does. The Alto, Mart, Refugio, Canandian, Crawford, Goldthwaite type teams in this division are more than a group of players that come through the hallways every now and then. While some of the schools I just listed have better years than others, they are consistently in the BIG GAME talk every single year. For decades now. The test of a team is the game, the test of a program is time. These schools here are PROGRAMS and what has built those PROGRAMS is what is going on in Shelbyville. To be fair and honest, to everyone in this district, and granted, it is a very tough and competitive district. Arguably the best in the state. But to be fair, no one in this district has the reputation of the schools mentioned above. SA has been past the second round of the playoffs twice in school history and although they have a State Title, lack of consistency suggest this was most likely a fluke and built around a group of kids and not a PROGRAM Shelbyville has never been 10-0 and never been past the second round of the playoffs. Not a PROGRAM at all. Joaquin, absolutely hideous win loss record in the history of their school minus the Gandy Era. He took them to the Semi's in 09 and past the 2nd round only once more - Not a PROGRAM West Sabine - again, only twice past the 2nd round in school history - Not a PROGRAM Cushing - never beyond the 1st round - Not a Program Beckville - in 2000 they were 12-2. That's it for the history of their school. Not a PROGRAM. District 10AA - Div 1 is no question a very tough district. I has some good teams in it right now. Great teams? That is yet to be determined to be honest and up to this point, based on who has played who and common sense and deductive reasoning, it would be easy to conclude that Shelbyville is the front runner for "best" team in this district. 2nd would be Joaquin or SA or West Sabine with Beckville coming in 5th and Cushing 6th. We will know "how" good these teams are at the conclusion of this season. You guys and gals who love to come on here and talk about how Mart or Refugio will end the season of whoever comes out of this district are the exact reasons or problems with your own "programs". You have no belief in your own team and contradict yourselves about how "tough" this district is by conceding defeat to those type of schools. That attitude alone is why THEY ARE A PROGRAM and you are simply a season by season team. It is funny how things shake up as the season develops. Pre-Season suggested Reg III was the weakest. Now that things have shook out a bit, it is easy to see, this may be the toughest of all three regions. Region I you have, in this order - Canadian, Stratford and Stamford. Trust me folks, regardless of polls, Abernathy isn't on the same level as any of these Region II you have, in this order - Mart, Crawford, Bosqueville - B'ville never beats these schools, so you are left with the other two and Mart clearly coming out of Reg II Region III you have, in this order - Alto, Shelbyville, Centerville, Union Grove, Lovelady. Alto and S'ville played down to the wire last year and both are much improved. Look for these two to square off after on December 5th somewhere around Nac to represent this region in the Semi's Region IV you have, in this order - Refugio, Shiner, Mason - Look for a rematch b/t Refugio and Shiner on neutral ground and don't be surprised if it's Shiner coming out of this regions. After that and the journey it takes to get to this point, anything is possible. I see Mart vs Canadian in the semis on one side with a toss up of a game I see the winner of Alto x Shelbyville playing the winner of Refugio x Shiner on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 ^ Creasy you make some very valid points. It bothers me to see people just assume that certain programs are going to dominate. With good coaching and community support, any program can achieve success. Some programs suffer from the notion that "We can't beat Team X because we never have." All kids have the will to win inside them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreasyBear Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You are correct TrueBlue. Joaquin, IMHO is a great example of that. Decades upon decades of losing and a new guy comes in and all of a sudden things change. Of course, to your average joe looking from the outside in, it's always, "Well, we got some good boys now". Like the previous 80 years was just a bad run of kids? Give me a break. Every team in this district has had better talent than they have right now and every team in this district has had worse talent than what they have right now. It is what makes football superior to all other sports - THE TEAM concept is an entirely different dynamic than any other sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxFight Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 San Augustine has won more games in the 3+ years that Coach Hubbard has been there (26 and counting) then they had in the years since the state championship combined (23). Including the state championship year, San Augustine has won 8 or more games 5 times since 1970...2 of those are under Coach Hubbard. Under Coach Hubbard SA is 15-3 in district with 2 games left this year. The program is definitely on the rise compared to what it has been. It has won its only 2 district championships in the last 40ish years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreasyBear Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Coach Hubbard is doing an outstanding job. I think that's why this district is so tough. There are good coaches in this district with talent that they seem to understand how to coach to win.' SA has Hubbard S'ville has Ferguson Beckville has TWO GAMBLES West Sabine has Tod Stark who has done nothing but win there Joaquin has a perfect fit with Gandy - who they just let go Cushing has a young man, Jehling, who has made much improvement in only one season This district is tough for more than one or two reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Coach Hubbard is doing an outstanding job. I think that's why this district is so tough. There are good coaches in this district with talent that they seem to understand how to coach to win.' SA has Hubbard S'ville has Ferguson Beckville has TWO GAMBLES West Sabine has Tod Stark who has done nothing but win there Joaquin has a perfect fit with Gandy - who they just let go Cushing has a young man, Jehling, who has made much improvement in only one season This district is tough for more than one or two reasons You know I'm starting to like you more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAPACK1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 TWB, as much as I love the kids that play for us, we had these kids last year. We have them this year and after that, we'll have plenty of kids coming up in what is becoming a town effort. If you lived here like I do, you would realize this is the beginning of something special. I think that's why 90Fly recognizes what he does. The Alto, Mart, Refugio, Canandian, Crawford, Goldthwaite type teams in this division are more than a group of players that come through the hallways every now and then. While some of the schools I just listed have better years than others, they are consistently in the BIG GAME talk every single year. For decades now. The test of a team is the game, the test of a program is time. These schools here are PROGRAMS and what has built those PROGRAMS is what is going on in Shelbyville. To be fair and honest, to everyone in this district, and granted, it is a very tough and competitive district. Arguably the best in the state. But to be fair, no one in this district has the reputation of the schools mentioned above. SA has been past the second round of the playoffs twice in school history and although they have a State Title, lack of consistency suggest this was most likely a fluke and built around a group of kids and not a PROGRAM Shelbyville has never been 10-0 and never been past the second round of the playoffs. Not a PROGRAM at all. Joaquin, absolutely hideous win loss record in the history of their school minus the Gandy Era. He took them to the Semi's in 09 and past the 2nd round only once more - Not a PROGRAM West Sabine - again, only twice past the 2nd round in school history - Not a PROGRAM Cushing - never beyond the 1st round - Not a Program Beckville - in 2000 they were 12-2. That's it for the history of their school. Not a PROGRAM. District 10AA - Div 1 is no question a very tough district. I has some good teams in it right now. Great teams? That is yet to be determined to be honest and up to this point, based on who has played who and common sense and deductive reasoning, it would be easy to conclude that Shelbyville is the front runner for "best" team in this district. 2nd would be Joaquin or SA or West Sabine with Beckville coming in 5th and Cushing 6th. We will know "how" good these teams are at the conclusion of this season. You guys and gals who love to come on here and talk about how Mart or Refugio will end the season of whoever comes out of this district are the exact reasons or problems with your own "programs". You have no belief in your own team and contradict yourselves about how "tough" this district is by conceding defeat to those type of schools. That attitude alone is why THEY ARE A PROGRAM and you are simply a season by season team. It is funny how things shake up as the season develops. Pre-Season suggested Reg III was the weakest. Now that things have shook out a bit, it is easy to see, this may be the toughest of all three regions. Region I you have, in this order - Canadian, Stratford and Stamford. Trust me folks, regardless of polls, Abernathy isn't on the same level as any of these Region II you have, in this order - Mart, Crawford, Bosqueville - B'ville never beats these schools, so you are left with the other two and Mart clearly coming out of Reg II Region III you have, in this order - Alto, Shelbyville, Centerville, Union Grove, Lovelady. Alto and S'ville played down to the wire last year and both are much improved. Look for these two to square off after on December 5th somewhere around Nac to represent this region in the Semi's Region IV you have, in this order - Refugio, Shiner, Mason - Look for a rematch b/t Refugio and Shiner on neutral ground and don't be surprised if it's Shiner coming out of this regions. After that and the journey it takes to get to this point, anything is possible. I see Mart vs Canadian in the semis on one side with a toss up of a game I see the winner of Alto x Shelbyville playing the winner of Refugio x Shiner on the other side. A historian you are not!! Creasy, most of us have been around here for a llllooooonnngg time and we know our school's history and we know much of the history about our neighboring schools. Your very poor attempt at belittling the other teams in this district is strewn with misinformation. I feel confident that you MUST have a source of information to substantiate your historical ramblings above, if so please provide the web address of that source so that they may be contacted to correct the misinformation. Because of the inaccuracy of your post above I will no longer be able to put any faith in your statistical, analytical, or historical posts. Creasy, we all are just as proud of our schools and teams as you are of yours. We all know and understand that Shelbyville is very good this year, it's been a long time coming. I'm sure that the kids of SV have worked just as hard for years to get to this point, fortunatley for them they "MUST" just now have a leader that is capable of doing what those before him could not. From reading your post he must be to "PROGRAM" building what Pablo Picasso was/is to art. BTW, when mentioning some of the schools above I think it would be correct to use the term or word "tradition" in the place of "Program", it would make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreasyBear Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Here we go. Can't say anything without someone getting their panties in a wad. Never said a negative thing about any school above. As a matter of fact, I have included that SV is no better and historically speaking, worse than some in this district. A historian you are not!! You are correct, I am not a historian, but am pretty nifty at using a tool like Google Creasy, most of us have been around here for a llllooooonnngg time and we know our school's history and we know much of the history about our neighboring schools. Your very poor attempt at belittling the other teams in this district is strewn with misinformation. First of all, I challenge you to prove where I have belittled anyone in my last several posts. Second, my information is substantiated by UIL records. Simply type in texashighschoolfootballhistory.com and it will show you everything I myself have found. While you may think you "remember" things a certain way, much like myself, it is always good to have documented facts provided by Texas HS Football and Track historian Joe Lee Smith. I think many here will find his website extremely entertaining. I feel confident that you MUST have a source of information to substantiate your historical ramblings above, if so please provide the web address of that source so that they may be contacted to correct the misinformation. Because of the inaccuracy of your post above I will no longer be able to put any faith in your statistical, analytical, or historical posts. I couldn't care less if you put any stock in anything I say any more than I would put stock in. What I typed above isn't flawless, but was as accurate as I could find on a site provided information from the UIL who is the historic documentation of not only the "program" you think you know so much about, but for ALL schools across the state. Creasy, we all are just as proud of our schools and teams as you are of yours. We all know and understand that Shelbyville is very good this year, it's been a long time coming. I'm sure that the kids of SV have worked just as hard for years to get to this point, I doubt it or they probably would have won more by now. According to them, none of them have ever worked this hard before. I am a member of our men's group here in SV and we meet with this team every Tuesday night to discuss numerous things. One of the many things was what is different about now vs then. Overwhelmingly, to a man, they all listed the amount of work fortunatley for them they "MUST" just now have a leader that is capable of doing what those before him could not. From reading your post he must be to "PROGRAM" building what Pablo Picasso was/is to art. Coach has done a great job, but there's no PROGRAM in place. Had you paid attention more intently above you would understand a single season does not make a program at all, but merely, a good season. A season isn't a "Program" BTW, when mentioning some of the schools above I think it would be correct to use the term or word "tradition" in the place of "Program", it would make more sense. Only to the simple-minded. Someone with above average intellect would know right away, that EVERY SCHOOL has tradition. Like the schools in this district have a "tradition" of being competitive and having some good years, but never going on to Thankgiving day and beyond. That same person would know that the Tradition of the examples I used above is a tradition of being in the hunt for State Championships. Joaquin for example, had a tradition for losing until Gandy arrived. Those things are tradition. All schools have a "tradition". Not all schools have A PROGRAM! Go ahead and ban me now b/c I disagree with and prove a moderator wrong. Please though, before you do, I would love for you to show me what it was I typed above that was inaccurate. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong and if I was, it was an oversight, but please, since you know so much more - SHOW ME! Otherwise "the inaccuracy of your post above I will no longer be able to put any faith in your posts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreasyBear Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You know I'm starting to like you more and more. Lambo, I done be liking Ram Folks for a long long time myself..........Pulling for you guys hard the next two weeks. I would love to see the Rams get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lambo, I done be liking Ram Folks for a long long time myself..........Pulling for you guys hard the next two weeks. I would love to see the Rams get in.We just need a little help! I'm pretty confident we're gonna get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAPACK1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I would love for you to show me what it was I typed above that was inaccurate. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong and if I was, it was an oversight, but please, since you know so much more - SHOW ME! Otherwise "the inaccuracy of your post above I will no longer be able to put any faith in your posts." West Sabine has been beyond the second round 3 times. Check out the Smoaky.com historical section, look at the 1973, 2001, and 2002 seasons for West Sabine. I hope after seeing that you can keep the faith in my posting ability! Check your PM, Creasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toeboat Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 atl you not right either, didn't they go 3 rounds in 2006 as well? I have lost all faith in your posting ability atlfalcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAPACK1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 atl you not right either, didn't they go 3 rounds in 2006 as well? I have lost all faith in your posting ability atlfalcon NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsYouWere Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Been waiting on this game since last year. Shelbyville over SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAPACK1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Didnt JMike have over 250 yards passing in this game last year? It's going to be interesting to see how well SV defends the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxFight Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Didnt JMike have over 250 yards passing in this game last year? It's going to be interesting to see how well SV defends the pass. 355 to be exact, and 6 touchdowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAPACK1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 355 to be exact, and 6 touchdowns That's impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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