KirtFalcon Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 There is a huge difference in cowing down and getting mad because you don't agree with your boss. As far as Ryan's opinions they did carry weight and were listened too up to the point that when he disagreed with Daniels and decided to act like a prima donna. When Daniels decided they needed a better bench coach, and my guess is wash did too Ryan got his feelings hurt because HIS guy was getting the ax. And again you really said all you needed when you said HIS STATURE. That is where your wrong, this is the front office not the mound. Since you want to hand out some blame, throw some on ownership, they threw them together. I blame the ownership for putting a squirrel like Daniels in a position above Ryan. Ryan should have been calling the shots, not the other way around. Daniels has proven over and over again he is clueless. Nolan Ryan didn't get his feelings hurt, he decided enough was enough with Daniels incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Ok well you need better research, can't talk to a person who doesn't even know the facts. I don't need better research, I just gave you the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 If he had not punched Robin Ventura, this would not even be an issue. "Don't disrespect Lord God Nolan Ryan" is the message we are supposed to take from all of this? Isn't hero worship is adorable? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 No you gave your opinion and then tried to pass it off as facts. Facts are you need to read a little batter about his leaving and then while at it read a little about the Rangers before Daniels That's strange, I thought you gave your uninformed opinion. The fact is Nolan Ryan should have never been in a position to have to to listen to Daniels. You can have JD and his mismanagement .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 If he had not punched Robin Ventura, this would not even be an issue. Don't disrespect Lord God Nolan Ryan is the message we are supposed to take from all of this? Isn't hero worship is adorable? :D Absolutely ... The Rangers never deserved him ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 ^ this isn't the John Birch forum - that attitude actually looks crazy over here :D :P Someone PLEASE tell me what Lord God Nolan's unique skills were - compared to the other 29 President/CEOs (who did not punch Robin Ventura) ........... (???) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galloping_gobbler Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 ^ this isn't the John Birch forum - that attitude actually looks crazy over here :D :P Someone PLEASE tell me what Lord God Nolan's unique skills were - compared to the other 29 President/CEOs (who did not punch Robin Ventura) ........... (???) The problem is that everyone thought that when Nolan showed up and all the upswing happened with the organization, it was all Nolan's doing. In all actuality it had a lot to do with JD making the trades to bring in big pieces, signing the correct players, and letting the organization develop them, along with the observations and suggestions of Nolan. He was never the be all and end all, but the uniformed believed that and will continue to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The problem is that everyone thought that when Nolan showed up and all the upswing happened with the organization, it was all Nolan's doing. In all actuality it had a lot to do with JD making the trades to bring in big pieces, signing the correct players, and letting the organization develop them, along with the observations and suggestions of Nolan. He was never the be all and end all, but the uniformed believed that and will continue to. Nolan added the validation that he was a "real" baseball guy compared to JD. Little JD could play with his cute little sabermetrics but John Wayne was there to keep him in line. Nolan deserves credit for saving the team from Jim Crane. Nolan deserves credit for helping get the Tom Hicks vibe off the team. JD deserves the credit for 2 World Series teams and what happened before & after those teams. JD's main fault is his nerdy, meddling, know it all public perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galloping_gobbler Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Nolan added the validation that he was a "real" baseball guy compared to JD. Little JD could play with his cute little sabermetrics but John Wayne was there to keep him in line. Nolan deserves credit for saving the team from Jim Crane. Nolan deserves credit for helping get the Tom Hicks vibe off the team. JD deserves the credit for 2 World Series teams and what happened before & after those teams. JD's main fault is his nerdy, meddling, know it all public perception. He does deserve credit for revamping the vibe that so many fans had about the Rangers, but I can't stand the perception that it all happened because Nolan showed up. He had tons of help from many. JD does need to work on public perception though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyLeak Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 So Nolan didn't help build the minor league system? I guess JD knew all the minor league development guys and knew the scouts already. I'm willing to put a month's paycheck that Nolan showed JD the ropes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyLeak Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 JD came 2005 Ryan 2010 by then system was being ranked in top of mlb you do the math The farm, yes. The end product? Not so much. You do the math, when did the big club start winning a few games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 2002-2004/ JD assistant baseball ops, director of baseball ops, assistant GM to John Hart 2005- Rangers 79-83, JD hired as GM after sesason 2006- Rangers 82-80 2007- Rangers 75-87, MARK TEIXEIRA TRADE 2008- Hicks hired Nolan as President Rangers went 79-83 2009- Rangers go 87-75 2010- Rangers 90-72 AL Champions 2011- Rangers 96-66 AL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partsman66 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 How many players on roster came from farm system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Players from 2008 to 2010 World Series team that were added during Nolan Ryan's Tenure Josh Hamilton Alexi Ogando (technically) Cliff Lee Bengie Molina Jorge Cantu Christian Guzman Colby Lewis Rich Harden Vlad Guerrero I may have missed a couple of players but for the most part it was a homegrown team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyLeak Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 When you say home grown, does that mean the Rangers drafted and developed them or did someone else draft them and they picked up a pretty much already finished product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Good question, lol. To the best of my abilities, I tried to narrow it down to guys that spent 2007 in the minors or were already part of the big league team. I put anybody in the minors into the homegrown basket. The Mark Texiera trade is a great example. All guys drafted by another team. All for the most part after the trade spent time in the Rangers farm system. How would you consider Harrison, Andrus and Neftali? Homegrown or finished product? I'm throwing them into the homegrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Pitchers from 2010 WS Feliz- trade Tommy Hunter- Rangers draft pick Colby Lewis- Rangers draft pick, free agent pick up in 2010 Mark Lowe- part of Cliff Lee Trade Darren O'Day- waiver pick up I think Alexi ogando- Rule V pick in 2005, granted visa in 2010 Derek Holland- Rangers draft pick Michael Kirkman-Rangers draft pick Cliff Lee- trade Darren Oliver- free agent C.J. Wilson- Rangers Draft pick Position Bengie Molina- trade Matt Treanor- trade Elvis Andrus- trade Andres Blanco- trade Jorge Cantu- trade Ian Kinsler- draft pick Mitch Moreland- Rangers draft pick Michael Young- trade Julio Borbon- Rangers draft pick Nelson Cruz- trade Jeff Francoeur- trade Vladimir Guerrero- free agent Josh Hamilton- trade David Murphy- trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I would think most WS rosters would look the same. The trades were done by Daniel's so he has to get some credit for them right? I would. Maybe 12 guys that came in during Nolan's first couple of years as President/CEO? 8 during the 2010 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyLeak Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Feliz, Andrus...those guys spent time under one of the most undervalued coaches in all MLB. Glad he's getting recognition and being promoted to Rangers' bench coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Nolan gets more credit than is deserved because of him being Nolan 'twas my point - if this was Jerry Koosman we were talking about - same administrative abilities as Ryan - there would be no ridiculous "Team JD" vs. "Team Nolan" polarization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The Rangers organization is worse off because of Nolan Ryan's departure. He would be a great asset to any ML organization. It's a shame his image and legacy is being tarnished by Rangers management and some fans .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 ...of such an embarrassing level, that I decided not to retort. It speaks for itself. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 "You people" don't deserve someone like Nolan Ryan .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 It must be a slow news day at Newsmax & Drudge :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 He was a HOF PITCHER not HOF front office. He was as responsible as anybody for the Rangers success .... he was never allowed to achieve his potential in the front office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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