cujoforlife Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I imagine Forney and North Forney would get picked off to go east before the Mesquite schools... I could see that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Longview will be on the bubble once again..all depends on the cutoff numbers for 6A. October 2013 LHS enrollment - 2071 October 2014 LHS enrollment - 2110 October 2015 LHS enrollment - ???? LISD saw a 1.7 percent increase in enrollment..including 147 incoming transfers from a year ago. All of this was reported in the LNJ. Not sure where Lufkin ends up. Their football participation numbers don't yell out 6A IMO..it isnt anything like it was when they were a top classification program. JT fans lie about their enrollment figures constantly for whatever reason, so you'll just have to wait for snapshot day to see what they turn in. Heck, this past realignment, there was confusion in what their actual enrollment was. lol After all of this enrollment talk, I went to the TEA site and pulled up JT enrollment for 2014-2015 and JT reported 2148. I was shocked, but maybe those JT guys were not that far out. http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/adhocrpt/adste.html Longview was 2109 (if you include Lead Academy and Longview High) Lufkin was 2154 Lee was 2590 Texas High was less than 1900., which was the next highest school in East Texas. I would not be shocked if the East Tex schools are combined with Rockwall to form a new district....or Lufkin could be sent south again...who knows...but if those numbers hold, 6a will have three more East Texas Schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'll stand by my thoughts that Longview will stay down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobinFrost Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Man, I figured with all the major residential growth in Longview I.S.D. with all the new multi-family dwelling housing being built along with the expanding retail businesses that those numbers would SOMEWHAT reflect that growth. What in the hell is going on??? I am not understanding why our numbers are declining or at the very, least not in the 2200's. I hate being out here in West Texas, losing out on too much information regarding my alma matta. Someone with LEGITIMATE information be it good or bad, what is happening to Longview High's enrollment!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Man, I figured with all the major residential growth in Longview I.S.D. with all the new multi-family dwelling housing being built along with the expanding retail businesses that those numbers would SOMEWHAT reflect that growth. What in the hell is going on??? I am not understanding why our numbers are declining or at the very, least not in the 2200's. I hate being out here in West Texas, losing out on too much information regarding my alma matta. Someone with LEGITIMATE information be it good or bad, what is happening to Longview High's enrollment!? I don't live in ET either but I know the numbers aren't declining at all. Had a 39 student increase from a year ago.... Thing is...East Texas Charter and Trinity are getting a piece of the pie as well and slowing the growth. Those darn privates.. Charter alone had 174 students in October. Add that to LHS enrollment and they surpass 2200 easily. No telling how many are at Trinity. According to the TEA site, most of the HS around LISD (including Tatum and Hallsville) declined in enrollment from a year ago...so they're definitely not to be blamed for the slow growth. LHS was the only HS in the Longview metro area that saw growth from a year ago. It's the privates I tell ya.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackAttack Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Lufkin is the odd man out here with our placement as the school located furtherest South and Nacogdoches is not certain to be in that package deal either, they have not been in the past when we went South to the Klein / Conroe districts for 10 years. Lufkin's enrollment is up now but the town just had 500 people layed off by GE/Lufkin Industries which could affect our numbers in October. Oil ad Gas prices down , jobs are lost. Of course not all of those people losing jobs live in Lufkin proper or are in the LP district. So we will see how this all shakes out. IMO it would not be a good thing for Lufkin to head back to 6A under the current conditions. We will not be the program we were under Outlaw again anytime soon, Maybe never again, just hard to say after two really bad years in a row. This will be a rebuild year for Lufkin, few starters returning and young. Going down to Huntsville would not be a bad deal, going back to Conroe would not be that bad I guess, at least we know what we are getting into there, playing The Woodlands is kind of like playing Longview. Lufkin could be put almost anywhere, while there are enough East Texas schools no matter what happens, to at least form one good ET district and I hope Lufkin is part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 After all of this enrollment talk, I went to the TEA site and pulled up JT enrollment for 2014-2015 and JT reported 2148. I was shocked, but maybe those JT guys were not that far out. http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/adhocrpt/adste.html Longview was 2109 (if you include Lead Academy and Longview High) Lufkin was 2154 Lee was 2590 Texas High was less than 1900., which was the next highest school in East Texas. I would not be shocked if the East Tex schools are combined with Rockwall to form a new district....or Lufkin could be sent south again...who knows...but if those numbers hold, 6a will have three more East Texas Schools. Why was it shocking to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Why was it shocking to you? because the enrollment went by 140 students... Tyler isn't Dallas Fort Worth, and North Tyler ain't exactly growing. There is some growth on the West Side, so I guess that helps. A 20 or 30 student increase wouldn't have been a shock but 140 was. But I guess it shouldn't be so much because they went up by about the same number from last time. I have to be honest, I rather JT stay in 5a than 6a. I think JT could make the playoffs in 6a, but I don't think they would be a title contender every year like they are now. Every 5 or so yrs, with a bunch like Greg Ward, I could see it happening, but not as often as now. (JT has been to the semifinals 3 of last 4 yrs) The top classification is different now....When JT was in the top class, they could beat most of the suburb schools because they had more athletes....but now with the growth of the suburbs in Dallas and Houston...etc...they have just as many athletes as JT...so its not as easy anymore. But Cujo doesn't back down from anyone, so if 6a happens, JT will be ready for the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Man, I figured with all the major residential growth in Longview I.S.D. with all the new multi-family dwelling housing being built along with the expanding retail businesses that those numbers would SOMEWHAT reflect that growth. What in the hell is going on??? I am not understanding why our numbers are declining or at the very, least not in the 2200's. I hate being out here in West Texas, losing out on too much information regarding my alma matta. Someone with LEGITIMATE information be it good or bad, what is happening to Longview High's enrollment!? It could be that the people are leaving the old neighborhoods and moving to the new ones...which really does not increase the population. Also, it could be that many of the new folks are not having as many children. It may be new families but they are adults and not kids. Wulf is right in one way...the private and charters are taking about 100-150 kids away from the school system. I'm sure that hurts too. Its happen in a major way in Tyler. Lee would probably be over 3000 kids if not for the private schools and charters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 because the enrollment went by 140 students... Tyler isn't Dallas Fort Worth, and North Tyler ain't exactly growing. There is some growth on the West Side, so I guess that helps. A 20 or 30 student increase wouldn't have been a shock but 140 was. But I guess it shouldn't be so much because they went up by about the same number from last time. I have to be honest, I rather JT stay in 5a than 6a. I think JT could make the playoffs in 6a, but I don't think they would be a title contender every year like they are now. Every 5 or so yrs, with a bunch like Greg Ward, I could see it happening, but not as often as now. (JT has been to the semifinals 3 of last 4 yrs) The top classification is different now....When JT was in the top class, they could beat most of the suburb schools because they had more athletes....but now with the growth of the suburbs in Dallas and Houston...etc...they have just as many athletes as JT...so its not as easy anymore. But Cujo doesn't back down from anyone, so if 6a happens, JT will be ready for the challenge. Yeah..140 growth in one term is unheard of outside of the burbs. Hell I'm still skeptical to believe it. Interesting part was the huge fish class that JT brought in this past year. They weren't too far from bringing in what Lee usually brings in. Did TISD change lines or something? I know Tyler is growing but I was under the impression that most of it was on the South side (Lee). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 because the enrollment went by 140 students... Tyler isn't Dallas Fort Worth, and North Tyler ain't exactly growing. There is some growth on the West Side, so I guess that helps. A 20 or 30 student increase wouldn't have been a shock but 140 was. But I guess it shouldn't be so much because they went up by about the same number from last time. I have to be honest, I rather JT stay in 5a than 6a. I think JT could make the playoffs in 6a, but I don't think they would be a title contender every year like they are now. Every 5 or so yrs, with a bunch like Greg Ward, I could see it happening, but not as often as now. (JT has been to the semifinals 3 of last 4 yrs) The top classification is different now....When JT was in the top class, they could beat most of the suburb schools because they had more athletes....but now with the growth of the suburbs in Dallas and Houston...etc...they have just as many athletes as JT...so its not as easy anymore. But Cujo doesn't back down from anyone, so if 6a happens, JT will be ready for the challenge. That's one thing that I know will happen if JT moves up. There would more games that would be close then what we see now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Yeah..140 growth in one term is unheard of outside of the burbs. Hell I'm still skeptical to believe it. Interesting part was the huge fish class that JT brought in this past year. They weren't too far from bringing in what Lee usually brings in. Did TISD change lines or something? I know Tyler is growing but I was under the impression that most of it was on the South side (Lee). JT is a magnet school now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The growth would come north if they built more business on that side of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 JT is a magnet school now.*STEAM school. Just started this year with 9th graders according to the TISD site. Will spread to the other grades by 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 *STEAM school. Just started this year with 9th graders according to the TISD site. Will spread to the other grades by 2018. Kids have to be accepted to get in. JT can pulls kids from all over the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP4L Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Thought I'd just go ahead and list what the enrollments of the East Texas 5As were as of October 2014. From TEA site.. Lufkin 2191 John Tyler 2153 Longview 2110 Texas High 1941 Nacogdoches 1678 Ennis 1635 Corsicana 1541 Whitehouse 1467 Mt. Pleasant 1440 Marshall 1388 Hallsville 1342 Longview Pine Tree 1305 Jacksonville 1228 Sulphur Springs 1165 Greenville 1162 Lindale 1153 4A Div I schools worth keeping an eye on: Kilgore 1063 Chapel Hill 1050 Especially Chapel Hill, they had 972 in October 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LufkinPanthers06 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Dam. Guess we'll go get hammered in 6A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomlandry Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Thought I'd just go ahead and list what the enrollments of the East Texas 5As were as of October 2014. From TEA site.. Lufkin 2191 John Tyler 2153 Longview 2110 Texas High 1941 Nacogdoches 1678 Ennis 1635 Corsicana 1541 Whitehouse 1467 Mt. Pleasant 1440 Marshall 1388 Hallsville 1342 Longview Pine Tree 1305 Jacksonville 1228 Sulphur Springs 1165 Greenville 1162 Lindale 1153 4A Div I schools worth keeping an eye on: Kilgore 1063 Chapel Hill 1050 Especially Chapel Hill, they had 972 in October 2013. Good info WP4L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Dam. Guess we'll go get hammered in 6A Meh, I wouldn't put much stock into non-alignment years. Longview was healthy in the 6A margin the year before last alignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomlandry Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Meh, I wouldn't put much stock into non-alignment years. Longview was healthy in the 6A margin the year before last alignment. why is the snapshot one day, instead of an average of several days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 No idea. Just how UIL has done it for at least a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 why is the snapshot one day, instead of an average of several days? Or just take actual enrollment on a certain day....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomlandry Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Or just take actual enrollment on a certain day....... anything is better than scheduling a certain day and then having schools react to increase/decrease enrollment to suit their interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujoforlife Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 The question is will UIL raise the enrollment numbers again. To 2150 or 2,200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomlandry Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 The question is will UIL raise the enrollment numbers again. To 2150 or 2,200. Does the UIL consider the competitiveness of their alignment? When a large district competes with school with almost 1000 fewer students that doesn't seem fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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