RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'm under no delusion, I follow the Word of God, without your false doctrine interpretations .... I don't interpret, I quote Scripture and agree with it.........you, on the other hand, read Scripture and then do the exact opposite........a tree is judged by it's fruit........figure it out........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I haven't heard anyone respond to Colmes about why they don't still offer animal sacrifices since the bible (OT) commands it... Because the answer should be obvious for any believer. Jesus sacrificed himself to atone for all sin, so that it may be forgiven through his blood. Reference Hebrews 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I don't interpret, I quote Scripture and agree with it.........you, on the other hand, read Scripture and then do the exact opposite........a tree is judged by it's fruit........figure it out........ If you agreed with it, you wouldn't be insisting it says something that it doesn't ... I don't think anybody is buying your "interpretation" of the scriptures you posted about saving Grace, musical instruments in church or your radical views of voting .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 If you agreed with it, you wouldn't be insisting it says something that it doesn't ... I don't think anybody is buying your "interpretation" of the scriptures you posted about saving Grace, musical instruments in church or your radical views of voting .... I quote it and agree with it.......only in your brainwashed mind is that "saying something that it doesn't"........show me where the scriptures teach that we are saved by Grace ALONE......show me a musical instrument being used by the first century church.........show me where God gives us the OK to support evil.........I won't hold my breath....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I quote it and agree with it.......only in your brainwashed mind is that "saying something that it doesn't"........show me where the scriptures teach that we are saved by Grace ALONE......show me a musical instrument being used by the first century church.........show me where God gives us the OK to support evil.........I won't hold my breath....... You quote it, then misrepresent the meaning. Multiple scriptures have already been posted showing we are saved by grace and our faith in the Lord, not baptism ... no need to post them again for you to dispute ... just because churches use musical instruments to praise the Lord doesn't mean it's a sin ... again your interpretation is out of bounds ... voting against the Hilldabeast is not supporting evil, it's fighting evil ... only in your narrow radical mind are these things going against the Word of God .... I don't know anyone who is buying your snake oil ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 This is a soft song from my old church in Atlanta, but I am sure this will make the Church of Christ ears of Colmes bleed :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPOBuoTgSvY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 This is a soft song from my old church in Atlanta, but I am sure this will make the Church of Christ ears of Colmes bleed :D :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 This is a soft song from my old church in Atlanta, but I am sure this will make the Church of Christ ears of Colmes bleed :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPOBuoTgSvY very good ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T7l8xK0My1Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 John 4:24English Standard Version (ESV) 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Our worship in this age is not to be the fleshly, outer worship of the OT. Our worship in these last days is to be from the inside, from the heart (in spirit). Our worship in these last days, as in all ages, is to be done in accordance to God's revealed pattern ( in truth). Not one time in the gathering of Christians collectively on earth as recorded in the New Testament are musical instruments mentioned as a part of those collective gatherings. Yes, they are mentioned in the fleshly worship of the Mosaic age and the Patriarchal age, but NOT ONE SINGLE TIME in the worship of New Testament Christians on earth in the Gospel age. Those who turn to the practices of the people in the two past ages seeking authority for practices in THIS age, must also accept and do everything else that was commanded in those times. James 2:10English Standard Version (ESV) 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. Yes, musical instruments are mentioned in the vision of heaven. That is the age to come after Judgment Day. A different age, a different worship. In THIS age, our example is the New Testament Christians who were following the Apostles doctrine.....Acts 2:42...... That example has not a single instrument mentioned......Why does God allow them in heaven but not on earth??? Isaiah 55:8English Standard Version (ESV) 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. I don't question the Almighty. When He says something, I do it. Conclusion: the use of musical instruments in worship is an unauthorized addition to Gods pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 John 4:24English Standard Version (ESV) 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Our worship in this age is not to be the fleshly, outer worship of the OT. Our worship in these last days is to be from the inside, from the heart (in spirit). Our worship in these last days, as in all ages, is to be done in accordance to God's revealed pattern ( in truth). Not one time in the gathering of Christians collectively on earth as recorded in the New Testament are musical instruments mentioned as a part of those collective gatherings. Yes, they are mentioned in the fleshly worship of the Mosaic age and the Patriarchal age, but NOT ONE SINGLE TIME in the worship of New Testament Christians on earth in the Gospel age. Those who turn to the practices of the people in the two past ages seeking authority for practices in THIS age, must also accept and do everything else that was commanded in those times. James 2:10English Standard Version (ESV) 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. Yes, musical instruments are mentioned in the vision of heaven. That is the age to come after Judgment Day. A different age, a different worship. In THIS age, our example is the New Testament Christians who were following the Apostles doctrine.....Acts 2:42...... That example has not a single instrument mentioned......Why does God allow them in heaven but not on earth??? Isaiah 55:8English Standard Version (ESV) 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. I don't question the Almighty. When He says something, I do it. Conclusion: the use of musical instruments in worship is an unauthorized addition to Gods pattern. You just keep trying to convince yourself of your false doctrine .... the rest of us will continue to praise the Lord in song with sweet music that I know he approves of .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 You just keep trying to convince yourself of your false doctrine .... the rest of us will continue to praise the Lord in song with sweet music that I know he approves of .... I'm not trying to convince myself.....I KNOW what God said and I OBEY Him.....He does NOT approve of additions to His commands......He never has and He never will......THAT is clear from reading Scripture......Hopefully some of the less stubborn and brainwashed members will see this and come to repentance........maybe even you eventually....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftysix Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 You just keep trying to convince yourself of your false doctrine .... the rest of us will continue to praise the Lord in song with sweet music that I know he approves of .... I bet Nadab and Abihu thought God would approve of their worship too in Leviticus 10... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 You just keep trying to convince yourself of your false doctrine .... the rest of us will continue to praise the Lord in song with sweet music that I know he approves of .... There are some rabbi's in the Orthodox Jewish faith that will not allow instruments to be played at their synagogues because they think that it's work on the Sabbath and Holy Days. What's odd is that there were musicians in the temple of 12 musicians and 12 singers. On various Holy Days in the OT it was required to blow certain horns or trumpets to sound the beginning of those Holy Days. In my opinion, it's similar to plucking corn on the Sabbath. I think playing musical instruments is somewhat the same as Matthew 12 : 1-8. If David could eat the shewbread in the House of God, and he stated God's will in Psalms. Simply because it's not mentioned precisely that musical instruments aren't allowed or allowed should be left to the discretion of His followers today. If there was such a scripture, then I would agree with Colmesneil. There's not, and I have been moved by the Spirit of God many times during the singing of hymns accompanied with various instruments. While I love Rock and Roll, I'm not a fan of electric guitars which I have seen in Pentecostal churches, and by Petra and Stryper. There's just something about Christian Rock bands that strikes me weird. This is about the only Rock song that I've liked that mentions God : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I am not a fan of Christian "rock" music either ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 I am not a fan of Christian "rock" music either ... On that we agree........:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadowKnows Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Parody or Not? - Wretched TV - Todd Friel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETXfan16 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 For some reason the link didn't post, but this is what I believe. "Question: "Are we supposed to use musical instruments in church?" Answer: Musical instruments were definitely used in worship in the Old Testament (1 Chronicles 15:16; 16:42; 23:5; 2 Chronicles 7:6; 23:13; 29:26-27; 30:21; 34:12; Nehemiah 12:36; Isaiah 38:20; Amos 6:5; Habakkuk 3:19; see also the introductions to Psalm 4:1; 6:1; 54:1; 55:1; 61:1; 67:1; 76:1). The fact that the New Testament nowhere condemns musical instruments indicates that the Old Testament practice was continued in the New Testament church. The early church was comprised almost entirely of Jews. It is highly likely that they continued using musical instruments in the church, just as they did in Old Testament worship. So, even without an explicit New Testament reference, it is clear the church can use musical instruments in its worship. However, there is a clear New Testament reference to musical instruments. Ephesians 5:19 declares, "speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord." The phrase "making melody" comes from the Greek word "psallontes" which means "to rub or touch," "to twitch or twang." It was commonly used in Greek to refer to playing a stringed musical instrument. Whatever the case, the Bible neither forbids or commands the use of musical instruments in church. Therefore, the church has freedom to use them if it feels led of God to do so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 For some reason the link didn't post, but this is what I believe."Question: "Are we supposed to use musical instruments in church?"Answer: Musical instruments were definitely used in worship in the Old Testament (1 Chronicles 15:16; 16:42; 23:5; 2 Chronicles 7:6; 23:13; 29:26-27; 30:21; 34:12; Nehemiah 12:36; Isaiah 38:20; Amos 6:5; Habakkuk 3:19; see also the introductions to Psalm 4:1; 6:1; 54:1; 55:1; 61:1; 67:1; 76:1). The fact that the New Testament nowhere condemns musical instruments indicates that the Old Testament practice was continued in the New Testament church. The early church was comprised almost entirely of Jews. It is highly likely that they continued using musical instruments in the church, just as they did in Old Testament worship.So, even without an explicit New Testament reference, it is clear the church can use musical instruments in its worship. However, there is a clear New Testament reference to musical instruments. Ephesians 5:19 declares, "speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord." The phrase "making melody" comes from the Greek word "psallontes" which means "to rub or touch," "to twitch or twang." It was commonly used in Greek to refer to playing a stringed musical instrument. Whatever the case, the Bible neither forbids or commands the use of musical instruments in church. Therefore, the church has freedom to use them if it feels led of God to do so."Since you go to the OT seeking authority for NT worship, do you also make the daily, monthly, and yearly sacrifices??? making melody with WHAT???? Rubbing or touching WHAT???? Twitching or twanging WHAT???? God clearly says your heart, NOT your harp or any other instrument....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Since you go to the OT seeking authority for NT worship, do you also make the daily, monthly, and yearly sacrifices??? making melody with WHAT???? Rubbing or touching WHAT???? Twitching or twanging WHAT???? God clearly says your heart, NOT your harp or any other instrument....... snake oil ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 snake oil ..... So I assume you sacrifice a bull every month???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 So I assume you sacrifice a bull every month???? No, I understand the bible .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleTeam Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I believe Jesus was the last blood sacrifice needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 I believe Jesus was the last blood sacrifice needed Yet some folks go to the Old Testament worship in an attempt to justify their use of instruments in New Testament worship.......if they are going to seek authority in the OT for practices in their worship, they have to take it all, not just the things they like......so I ask again, do you folks who go to the OT to find authority for instruments also perform the commanded sacrifices? If not, why not??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Yet some folks go to the Old Testament worship in an attempt to justify their use of instruments in New Testament worship.......if they are going to seek authority in the OT for practices in their worship, they have to take it all, not just the things they like......so I ask again, do you folks who go to the OT to find authority for instruments also perform the commanded sacrifices? If not, why not??? No need to go to the OT to justify praising God with song and instruments. Nothing in the New Testament prohibits musical instruments either ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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