💧 WIKILEAKS, Julian Assange, and Deep State corruption

[parentofredheads]

What's everybody think about all this mess?

 

One thing that I cannot figure out... how in the world did that Army guy get all of those classified documents out?

[RETIREDFAN1]

I agree with Ron Paul....we need a LOT more people like this exposing the secrets of this government.....secrecy breeds tyranny...in a truly free society, there should be no secrets held by the government from the people....it is WE the people, after all, who are SUPPOSED to be in charge......

[DieHardCubFan]

Is it just me or does he not look like a computer geek-perve or what? Of course, he looks a little light in the loafers also...

 

Reminds me alot of Jeffery Dahmer, actually.

[DaveTV1]

I don't have a problem with the Wikileaks. It's only telling Americans that our government is working behind our backs. I don't know the whole story with the rape charges in Switzerland. As far as I know, that's what he's been arrested for.

[parentofredheads]

I'd read something the other day, that the next thing he had coming out was going to hit a MAJOR bank big time...now all of a sudden, he's up for rape, because he didn't use a condom - good grief - and they've taken his bank accounts, etc., etc.,

 

Now, if that DOESN'T TELL YOU SOMETHING, nothing will.........somebody's protecting somebody!

 

Great article, by the way, Hares... Do I think the American public should know about the bail-outs, the Fed - you betcha... kind of wary, though, when it comes to our operatives over there in the sand... I worry about our boys' lives.

[parentofredheads]

^ We should be aware of reasons for questionable entanglements in foreign affairs. I'll never accept the reasoning of entanglements simply as one of fighting "terrorism". Let's discuss the "reasoning" behind entanglements in Sudan. Is Sudan a direct threat to the security of the United States or are we acting much the same way as Truman did in the Korean War:

"in helping free and independent nations to maintain their freedom, the United States will be giving effect to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations."

 

Truman championed the United Nations Charter and not this country's charter documents as justification to enter the Korean altercation. Perhaps the DHS deal with Wal Mart will further expose the "truth". After all the entire nation including our elected (?) will now "say something", correct?

I'm telling ya - they got him right before he was fixing to pull the whammy of 'em all... a bank....I'm just telling ya.

[speedbump154]

What's everybody think about all this mess?

 

One thing that I cannot figure out... how in the world did that Army guy get all of those classified documents out?

It really seems strange that an E-3 would be able to get access to all those documents. They're pretty low in the pecking order.

[parentofredheads]

It really seems strange that an E-3 would be able to get access to all those documents. They're pretty low in the pecking order.

Uh-huh, and he would've darned near had to have stolen someone's CAC card, gotten codes and everything else... I'm sure you know, there's a deal where if something's top secret, etc., it has to be placed in a special container, etc., etc... does it sound like he could've done this by himself? More to this than meets the eye....

[parentofredheads]

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His last threat was, he was fixing to unveil and bring down a bank....as much stuff as I type in that arena, uh, that would involve the Treasury Department, presidents, the Fed, and the big 4....we can only guess...

[parentofredheads]

Interesting combination......

 

http://townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/...e_w_bush/page/1

[HouTex]

I'm curious what information they've discovered about 9/11...

[Hayseed]

Someone needs to tell Sarah Palin that they actually caught up with Assunge.So now its gonna be too late to hunt him down like Osama Bin Laden.............cause it didn't cost billions and get alot of innocent folks killed!

[JTFAN99]

trying to buy "Yellowcake", is not the same as having it. We were told he was an immediate threat,and if we didn't act, our lives would be in danger. No one is shocked by the news Saddaam tried to get nuclear weapons. Every country in the world wants a NUKE,and given his position,im sure he wanted one too. But having one,and wanting one is two different things. And Even if he had one, I don't think he would be stupid enough to use it on us. Im sure he had a sense of self preservation. Which means he know if he was to launch a nuclear fight against the US, that would end Iraq as we know it. We have too many nukes. Its like bringing a bb gun to war. Anyway,this article still doesn't justify the war with Iraq.

 

By the way if the US is so worried about crazy people getting nukes, Why did we let N.Korea get one? Im sure because they have no oil, and didn't try to kill someone's father.

[JTFAN99]

^ wow, JT, are you hinting there was a "personal" squabble between the Hatfields and McCoys?

 

I guess I never understood in this day of "sophisticated" technology, espionage, lies, fraud, deception, greed, spying and corruption that a "hired gun" could not have easily placed a 300 Winchester Mag bullet in Saddam's brain. It sure would have saved a lot of $ and controversy! What is the big deal about blowing the guys brains out? Sure , it is said he had "doubles". What is the big deal about that , shoot them too! The "blowback" has gone on for centuries so who cares.

 

 

yep, its usually always personal, hardly ever business.

[parentofredheads]

trying to buy "Yellowcake", is not the same as having it. We were told he was an immediate threat,and if we didn't act, our lives would be in danger. No one is shocked by the news Saddaam tried to get nuclear weapons. Every country in the world wants a NUKE,and given his position,im sure he wanted one too. But having one,and wanting one is two different things. And Even if he had one, I don't think he would be stupid enough to use it on us. Im sure he had a sense of self preservation. Which means he know if he was to launch a nuclear fight against the US, that would end Iraq as we know it. We have too many nukes. Its like bringing a bb gun to war. Anyway,this article still doesn't justify the war with Iraq.

 

By the way if the US is so worried about crazy people getting nukes, Why did we let N.Korea get one? Im sure because they have no oil, and didn't try to kill someone's father.

You didn't read the article, did ya... I'll sum it up for ya... HE HAD YELLOWCAKE and other things to make it...

 

You're joking about North Korea, right? Do you realize what country lies close to North Korea? Who do you think protects North Korea? good grief......

[parentofredheads]

:hmm:

 

What am I missing here-reading more into this? Would that have been such a bad thing? We are supposed to be getting the "transparency" thing now in our government? I'll wait for further explanation.

What I'm saying is - it would've been a good thing for us to know; but a REAL BAD thing for them to know that we know... get it? LOL! Let's put it this way... it would've been started a huge UPRISING... not for the benefit of any party, especially the particular bunch we've got now....

 

Link the ties...Start with the Fed and the Treasury Department - who was there before and who is now... who was the head of the NY Fed at the time this all started, then track who was the head of the banking committee under both administrations...now, track who was at the helms of the big four banks... then make that connection, which also goes to Fannie and Freddie... it's things you already know, but there were DEALS MADE.... give you a guess who had their fingers in the pies...

 

And guess who's the fool in it all.... Paulson. What an idgit!

 

Now, think of the companies that were bailed out - and who bought 'em out, and who was in the middle of the negotiations... make the link. Who knew about all this BEFORE it was going to happen...and who ended up making the deals.

 

If this starts coming out, stock prices will fall, Treasuries will fall - it just won't be a happy scenario and once the folk learn about it... ooooweee....

 

It's one thing to know what Hillary thinks of so and so... it's another to know the actual dealings of things taking place and who decides who will fail and who will succeed...it would affect Americans... and the Euro, etc., etc.

 

Now ya know why England, Europe and the U.S. all of a sudden got ahold of him....

 

I betcha China and Russia is giggling every day.

[JTFAN99]

You didn't read the article, did ya... I'll sum it up for ya... HE HAD YELLOWCAKE and other things to make it...

 

You're joking about North Korea, right? Do you realize what country lies close to North Korea? Who do you think protects North Korea? good grief......

 

 

where did I "joke" about N.Korea. I said that if getting Nukes is such a bad thing or threat, why did we let N.Korea get them. Thats a valid question, not a joke.

 

And again, even if Iraq had WMD's which they didn't (no matter how Larry Elder,a conservative tries to spin it) That still doesn't make them an immediate threat. Again you have not connected the dots between Saddam wanting to attack the US. Just because someone you know own a gun, don't mean they are out to shoot you. Show me something that says Saddam was looking to go to war with the US.

 

Hey, don't waste your time, because you won't find it.

[parentofredheads]

where did I "joke" about N.Korea. I said that if getting Nukes is such a bad thing or threat, why did we let N.Korea get them. Thats a valid question, not a joke.

 

And again, even if Iraq had WMD's which they didn't (no matter how Larry Elder,a conservative tries to spin it) That still doesn't make them an immediate threat. Again you have not connected the dots between Saddam wanting to attack the US. Just because someone you know own a gun, don't mean they are out to shoot you. Show me something that says Saddam was looking to go to war with the US.

 

Hey, don't waste your time, because you won't find it.

Oh, jeesh almighty... I'll give you a clue - get out a world map and figure it out.

 

Once again, you're basing your entire argument on one document, a public document. Now, it doesn't take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to figure out there's a lot left OUT....

 

You're kinda narrow minded in your arguments... broaden it, my friend... broaden it!

[JTFAN99]

Oh, jeesh almighty... I'll give you a clue - get out a world map and figure it out.

 

 

Get a world map to figure out what? What are you talking about? What does a map have to do with us not declaring war on N.Korea having nukes but declaring war on Iraq for "maybe" having yellowcake. Yellowcake vs actual Nuke, which is more serious.

 

Im not sure we are having the same conversation. You are talking about maps and things. I think you are the clueless one. Have a nice day.

[parentofredheads]

Get a world map to figure out what? What are you talking about? What does a map have to do with us not declaring war on N.Korea having nukes but declaring war on Iraq for "maybe" having yellowcake. Yellowcake vs actual Nuke, which is more serious.

 

Im not sure we are having the same conversation. You are talking about maps and things. I think you are the clueless one. Have a nice day.

Sign language here... if you look at a map and see why we didn't go after North Korea... look at it's ally...unless you're interested in getting into World War III

[DaveTV1]

This is probably why BHO and the entire left is against the Wikileaks, because it does PROVE that the intelligence gathered was pertinent to our National Security. We had to go in, because the inspectors were given the run around. Yet people still want to say it's all Bush's fault. If it were all Bush's fault then why are we still there, when BHO said we were going to pull out. We got a little blurb in the news that we have, but we still have troops there.

 

Speaking of yellow cake, BHO is still sitting on his hands about this : http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Iran-P...-111343954.html . If nothing is done then whatever Iran does is BHO's fault.

 

 

[Baron]

Assange is in custody and there is no poison pill. When he threatened the US with more leaks if he was charged with anything he became a terrorist. And should be charged accordingly.

[DaveTV1]

I'm curious what information they've discovered about 9/11...

 

 

It would bet that the classified information would show that the intelligence wasn't handled properly during Bill Clinton's administration. http://johnrmccommas.blogspot.com/2008/07/...tons-fault.html

[Wild74]

Manning Acquitted of ‘Aiding the Enemy’

 

 

 

 

Gary Cameron/Reuters

Pfc. Bradley Manning was escorted into a courthouse at Fort Meade, Md., on Tuesday.

 

By CHARLIE SAVAGE

 

Published: July 30, 2013

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WASHINGTON — A military judge on Tuesday found Pfc. Bradley Manning not guilty of aiding the enemy, but convicted him of multiple counts of violating the Espionage Act.

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Private Manning had already confessed to being WikiLeaks’ source for the files, which included videos of airstrikes in which civilians were killed, hundreds of thousands of front-line incident reports from the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, dossiers on men being held without trial at the Guantánamo Bay prison, and about 250,000 diplomatic cables.

But while Private Manning has pleaded guilty to a lesser version of the charges he is facing, which could expose him to up to 20 years in prison, the government decided to press forward with a trial on a more serious version of the charges, including “aiding the enemy” and violations of the Espionage Act, which could result in a life sentence.

Beyond the fate of Private Manning as an individual, the “aiding the enemy” charge — unprecedented in a leak case — could have significant long-term ramifications for investigative journalism in the Internet era.

The government’s theory is that providing defense-related information to an entity that published it for the world to see constituted aiding the enemy because the world includes adversaries, like members of Al Qaeda, who could read the documents online.

Private Manning’s court-martial began in early June, and the merits portion wrapped up last week with closing arguments in which a prosecutor portrayed Private Manning as an anarchist and a traitor who was merely out to make a splash, while his defense lawyer portrayed him as a young, naïve, but well-intentioned humanist who wanted to prompt debate and bring about change.

 

[CENTEXFAN]

It is amazing that Bradley Manning is looking at the rest of his life behind bars for exposing war crimes. Meanwhile the people who committed the crime itself has not even been charged. It is under Army ethics to report war crimes when observed.

 

What Bradley Manning did was no worse than what Senators and Congressman due everyday in relaying classified information to the media for their own political purpose.

 

Like him or not, the Army did torture him in prison. Bradley is an American citizen who was tortured even before he was convicted of a crime. SO much for innocent until proven guilty. Don't think the government isn't watching your reaction to see if they can get away with this. If so they will expand torture on American citizens. Any confession or anything Manning said should be thrown out of court and a mistrial imposed. This trial just shows there is no fair trial in the military. They just have show and tell trials.