futfan Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, H3llR4z0r said: You really think so? I thought Melissa was lucky to get the 14 they got. The first TD came off a PI that was just simple double coverage, and the second came off a prayer throw to the 5 yard line, and the ball rolled out of his hands when he hit the ground. Ask Dez if THAT was a catch. uIL rules do not require the same standard of holding the ball all the way through the catch like the NFL, thats all I can figure, they gave him the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, futfan said: They can look at IP addresses and verify that. We can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUTIGERS Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Hawks... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoyRabbit03 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, H3llR4z0r said: You really think so? I thought Melissa was lucky to get the 14 they got. The first TD came off a PI that was just simple double coverage, and the second came off a prayer throw to the 5 yard line, and the ball rolled out of his hands when he hit the ground. Ask Dez if THAT was a catch. Tbh I think Melissa would give Graham a good game. Don't think Graham can hang with PG without a crazy good defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTXballgamer11 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, BigBoyRabbit03 said: Tbh I think Melissa would give Graham a good game. Don't think Graham can hang with PG without a crazy good defense. Melissa isn’t a bad team by any means. We just flat out didn’t match up with PG at all. 3-4 defense against a stacked heavy line offense running a wing-t is just not gonna cut it. And as I said earlier, if your gonna have a chance against PG defense running the spread, your O line better be able to hold up and your gonna have to get rid of the ball quick with some two step drop releases on short timed routes. PG is strong and they are the real deal folks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkguy888 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 minute ago, NTXballgamer11 said: Melissa isn’t a bad team by any means. We just flat out didn’t match up with PG at all. 3-4 defense against a stacked heavy line offense running a wing-t is just not gonna cut it. And as I said earlier, if your gonna have a chance against PG defense running the spread, your O line better be able to hold up and your gonna have to get rid of the ball quick with some two step drop releases on short timed routes. PG is strong and they are the real deal folks! They also trust their corners man on man and blitz from every direction. PG linebackers are smart and diciplined. It’ll take the long ball to beat them. Not 5-8 yd slants. Not with the D Line pg has. They are tall, fast and athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangethunder1 Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 Only team in 4A that would have any shot of beating Pleasant Grove right now is Carthage but they are D1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steerman88 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, orangethunder1 said: Only team in 4A that would have any shot of beating Pleasant Grove right now is Carthage but they are D1 I’m guessing you and PGdad have been cooking out and drinking pretty heavy all day.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangethunder1 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 Graham always looks good until they run into East Texas and there athletes.West Texas just not as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLEMAN Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, orangethunder1 said: Graham always looks good until they run into East Texas and there athletes.West Texas just not as good Hey guys. Â All the teams are great now. Â The top 4 in the State in each classification. Â Not many common opponents to judge by. Â The game must be played and the winner goes to the finals. Â Good luck PG but the game has to played and won 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texski Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 10 hours ago, H3llR4z0r said: You really think so? I thought Melissa was lucky to get the 14 they got. The first TD came off a PI that was just simple double coverage, and the second came off a prayer throw to the 5 yard line, and the ball rolled out of his hands when he hit the ground. Ask Dez if THAT was a catch. Yes I do, but notice I said a LITTLE closer, like Melissa loses by 4-5 TDs instead of 6. In the series when the Cards had 1st and goal at the 3 and got stuffed 4 plays if #5 playing I think he punches it in. He was a 2-way all-district impact player that came in having rushed for 1,350 yards and 19 TDs, including 9 TDs in the 3 playoff wins. You can't lose a player of that caliber in 4A ball where there is not that much depth and not have negative effect. With my ramblings said anybody who was at the game knows PG dominated the line play and Melissa had no chance. PG doesn't really have any superstar players that blow you away, just a whole bunch of really good, smart football players that are on a mission. They just really don't have any weaknesses and #4 is valuable beyond words in that offense. I am probably more familiar with Graham in the past than anybody on Smoaky as I have seen them in person 3 times against Argyle in the past 5 years. They are a bunch of big ol country boys that are very physical and make few mistakes, but PG just too much for them. I got the Hawks by 18-23 points. If I thought this game would be closer I'd make the trip to Frisco to watch, because I know it won't be cold and smell like cow #### inside the Star.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLEMAN Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Texski said: Yes I do, but notice I said a LITTLE closer, like Melissa loses by 4-5 TDs instead of 6. In the series when the Cards had 1st and goal at the 3 and got stuffed 4 plays if #5 playing I think he punches it in. He was a 2-way all-district impact player that came in having rushed for 1,350 yards and 19 TDs, including 9 TDs in the 3 playoff wins. You can't lose a player of that caliber in 4A ball where there is not that much depth and not have negative effect. With my ramblings said anybody who was at the game knows PG dominated the line play and Melissa had no chance. PG doesn't really have any superstar players that blow you away, just a whole bunch of really good, smart football players that are on a mission. They just really don't have any weaknesses and #4 is valuable beyond words in that offense. I am probably more familiar with Graham in the past than anybody on Smoaky as I have seen them in person 3 times against Argyle in the past 5 years. They are a bunch of big ol country boys that are very physical and make few mistakes, but PG just too much for them. I got the Hawks by 18-23 points. If I thought this game would be closer I'd make the trip to Frisco to watch, because I know it won't be cold and smell like cow #### inside the Star.  The wind was out of the NE. Probably the Valiant paper mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 If I was the coach ... pondering what I would tell my kids tomorrow ... Ignore the distractions ... and the outside hype ... Stay focused on the job at hand ... Understand that Graham could care less what happened between you and Melissa ... With the exception of the learning process, last week means nothing compared to this week ... And the road to success always leads uphill .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micotrav Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/9/2017 at 9:38 AM, cotton84 said: Maxpreps says one OL is 4'0" and 330..........That is what you call a broad base.......LOL Obviously a mistake. Probably DL...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micotrav Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 PG playing at their highest level. The Hawks win it all in '17. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 One thing I’ve noticed about Graham through the years.  They seem to dictate the pace of the game.  When playing these high flying east Texas speed teams they find ways to slow the game down, eat clock and get them out of their comfort zone.  It hasn’t always worked, but they have managed to compete in close games with them.  I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t a 14-12 type game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steerman88 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: One thing I’ve noticed about Graham through the years.  They seem to dictate the pace of the game.  When playing these high flying east Texas speed teams they find ways to slow the game down, eat clock and get them out of their comfort zone.  It hasn’t always worked, but they have managed to compete in close games with them.  I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t a 14-12 type game That’s true in the past but I can promise you this team isn’t going to slow the clock down they are fine getting into a shoot out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Good luck PG! Planning on attending this one with it being on Thursday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chukslegacy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 17 hours ago, orangethunder1 said: Only team in 4A that would have any shot of beating Pleasant Grove right now is Carthage but they are D1 This has to be the dumbest comment ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chukslegacy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Graham beats PG and ends all this talk about PG being the best without playing the best! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonothing Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 58 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: One thing I’ve noticed about Graham through the years.  They seem to dictate the pace of the game.  When playing these high flying east Texas speed teams they find ways to slow the game down, eat clock and get them out of their comfort zone.  It hasn’t always worked, but they have managed to compete in close games with them.  I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t a 14-12 type game We have done the same in the past and it works against high flying speed teams but that's not what we are. The Hawks are well balanced and use a variety of tactics on both offense and defense to leave their opponents confused and staggered. The Hawks are playing chess, if Graham can too, it will be close, but from what I've seen they are still playing checkers. 7 minutes ago, chukslegacy said: This has to be the dumbest comment ever! Nah, I read a few things and seen a few simulators. We usually are the underdog by 3-7 points. So, I figure if we play them five times we win two. Carthage is a great team with an awesome coaching staff and talent everywhere, I'm sure we could hang but that's just fun and silly stuff to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonothing Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 900! Go Hawks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkguy888 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Melissa was supposed to throw on us. Stud QB with great receivers. D1 talent. Melissa runs a 3-4 defense and won 12 in a row. That sounds real similar to Graham doesn’t it?  The result will be close to the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chukslegacy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 no doubt both Graham and PG deserve to be where they are at regardless of how easy the road is getting there. this next week will tell all. Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futfan Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 57 minutes ago, chukslegacy said: Graham beats PG and ends all this talk about PG being the best without playing the best! Since the best is West Orange Stark, nobody up here has. PG has, however, beaten all previous "Best" teams in our path. Every week it is the same, but each week, we have "beaten the man." Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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