☪️ "Religion of Peace"

[DAWG91]

"About 10-15 protestors tried to disrupt the event..". Lol that's not even enough to fill a platoon,  much less an army.  Talk about overblown hype. Oh,  and funny enough,  it's another cnn article.  At this pace,  the new thousand year reich will be reborn in another billion years or so.

[DaveTV1]

4 hours ago, DAWG91 said:

"About 10-15 protestors tried to disrupt the event..". Lol that's not even enough to fill a platoon,  much less an army.  Talk about overblown hype. Oh,  and funny enough,  it's another cnn article.  At this pace,  the new thousand year reich will be reborn in another billion years or so.

They still shouldn't have been there.  I believe in the freedom of speech, but what they did was wrong.  If they are too stupid to realize that the Holocaust did happen then I think they should have been arrested for trying to incite a riot or a minimum of disturbing the peace.  The Jews in Germany and German controlled countries were senselessly put to death for simply being Jewish.  They were hard working citizens, and weren't causing trouble the way the Muslimes have in Europe.  They weren't burning Christian churches.  Many Jews also fought for Germany in WW II including German Jews.  It's hard to fathom with what was going on to their fellow Jews.  Some fought for them because their countries were allied with Germany.  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/museums/10682975/The-Jews-who-fought-for-Hitler-We-did-not-help-the-Germans.-We-had-a-common-enemy.html  .  Hitler was an idiot for what he did in trying to accomplish the Aryan Nation, when even he had Jewish blood in his veins.  

[DAWG91]

2 hours ago, DaveTV1 said:

They still shouldn't have been there.  I believe in the freedom of speech, but what they did was wrong.  If they are too stupid to realize that the Holocaust did happen then I think they should have been arrested for trying to incite a riot or a minimum of disturbing the peace.  The Jews in Germany and German controlled countries were senselessly put to death for simply being Jewish.  They were hard working citizens, and weren't causing trouble the way the Muslimes have in Europe.  They weren't burning Christian churches.  Many Jews also fought for Germany in WW II including German Jews.  It's hard to fathom with what was going on to their fellow Jews.  Some fought for them because their countries were allied with Germany.  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/museums/10682975/The-Jews-who-fought-for-Hitler-We-did-not-help-the-Germans.-We-had-a-common-enemy.html  .  Hitler was an idiot for what he did in trying to accomplish the Aryan Nation, when even he had Jewish blood in his veins.  

I don't disagree they shouldn't be there.  My point is that the threat is overhyped and overblown by people such as the person who started this thread.  "Hate still exists...". Yeah,  in a whole whopping 10-15 people.  Give me a break.  Talk about click bait.  Had this been 10-15 muslims protesting and not white supremacists,  there would've been no story and the justification given for it not being a story would be "these 10-15 people are outliers and not representative of the muslim population." 

[88YoePride]

Where is the real fascism? Who oppresses free speech in the name of "acceptance"? Who uses the news and entertainment media to spread their propaganda, and the education system to indoctrinate youth, often telling parents what they can or can't teach their children? Who vilifies anyone who opposes them by falsely accusing them of hateful societal transgressions to attempt to silence them? Who blames all of their perceived ills on one demographic in order to make them a scapegoat and suppress that demographic's ability to be fairly heard? And whose little "brown shirts" wannabes are those running around the streets intimidating and outright assaulting anyone who doesn't toe their line or who presents a threat to their totalitarian authority? Not the right's.

https://summit.news/2019/05/13/new-zealand-citizens-receiving-home-visits-from-political-police/?fbclid=IwAR3Fh0U-RSlxMLJ9ToTSFi5NRRkk4WFFJ2289K1e5HmjmHn8umRRgfGRuhM

[CarthDawg77]

50 minutes ago, btex said:

New Zealand, their country and they can deal with their threats as they see fit.

So you have no issue with the “Thought Police” coming around to visit on a Sunday morning based on someone taking umbrage with people’s opinions ?

[CarthDawg77]

1 minute ago, btex said:

They are not under our constitution. It is their country. 

Tru Storie; May This country never get that bad, even though it seems people like you, Centex, Barry, & Whiningbuzzard would welcome this behavior right here.

[Monte1076]

3 minutes ago, btex said:

They are not under our constitution. It is their country. 

What if it were happening in the U.S.?

Like that guy who yanked that MAGA hat off a teenager's head at a Whataburger? Antifa? Are they OK? People stealing political signs from peoples yards or vandalizing their vehicles for having a Trump bumper sticker or a MAGA hat in their vehicle (both have happened).

[Wild74]

Even in the future

[CarthDawg77]

4 hours ago, btex said:

I have, where have I ever said that?

I see what you did there....

[88YoePride]

On 5/13/2019 at 1:34 PM, btex said:

New Zealand, their country and they can deal with their threats as they see fit.

Of all the swerves I've seen by lefties in discussions about facts and logic - and I've seen a lot - that one was pretty far out there. What New Zealand does is their business, and what their citizens tolerate is their business. The point is, so why are they grilling their citizens on their views of our President and government? Of course, it is quite curious that both Hillary Clinton and John Podesta were both In New Zealand in the days before the mosque shooting meeting with their Prime Minister... 

I am quite obviously referring to what the Democrat left right here in the U.S. is doing, persistently and daily.

[Hagar]

Apparently many of Europe’s youth have had enough.  They see what this unlimited immigration is doing to their country and culture.  If only the young knuckleheads in America could see it, and understand the results, before it happens here.  But their jello pea-brains have been robbed of any independent thought process by educators who should know better. 

https://apnews.com/7f177b0cf15b4e87a53fe4382d6884ca

[CarthDawg77]

40 minutes ago, Hagar said:

Apparently many of Europe’s youth have had enough.  They see what this unlimited immigration is doing to their country and culture.  If only the young knuckleheads in America could see it, and understand the results, before it happens here.  But their jello pea-brains have been robbed of any independent thought process by educators who should know better. 

https://apnews.com/7f177b0cf15b4e87a53fe4382d6884ca

We can only hope that the young people here see the folly of their actions before it’s too late.

[Wild74]

I guess if I was going to say one good thing about Islam they make for some good target practice

 

[88YoePride]

On 5/16/2019 at 5:42 PM, btex said:

Just giving the same answers when I asked about China placing Muslims in concentration camps....so my guess would be you would have the same thing to say to those on the right that had that reply?

 

i am all about consistency. I am not the kind of person who slams one country for doing something unconstitutional while praising one for doing something unconstitutional. While they may not be under our constitution I also don’t have to agree with what they do

Damn. I missed the reports of Chinese authorities asking these citizens about their views on President Trump and American conservative values. Consistency. Japan essentially doesn't allow Muslims. Neither does Poland, I think it is? Odd coincidence - Neither of these nations suffers Muslim terrorist attacks or attempts of cultural coups. Neither asks anyone about their views on President trump or American conservative values.

[CarthDawg77]

1 minute ago, 88YoePride said:

Damn. I missed the reports of Chinese authorities asking these citizens about their views on President Trump and American conservative values. Consistency. Japan essentially doesn't allow Muslims. Neither does Poland, I think it is? Odd coincidence - Neither of these nations suffers Muslim terrorist attacks or attempts of cultural coups.

Imagine that.....🤨

[88YoePride]

1 hour ago, btex said:

So Are you saying we should change our constitution? 

Also you need to check your sources, Poland said they would not take refugees, Muslims are allowed. Muslims are also not banned from Japan and there is a large mosque that I know of in Tokyo. The next thing is why they do not have radical attacks, perhaps that is because neither country has tried to control other countries by placing dictators in power just for oil. 

What, are you suggesting that just because I mentioned that some other nation does something, we should do it too? Let's copy Brunei, then. I didn't come anywhere near saying that. I was making the point  that other nations have more conservative policies than we do, but it has nothing to do with us. So you check your sources, i.e., my post - I specifically wrote, "...Poland, I think it is", which implies I wasn't sure. Try having a discussion before you hit the pipe, bruh.

[88YoePride]

35 minutes ago, btex said:

Not sure what "pipe" I am hitting. What exactly are you trying to say with that? Be specific please. 

You claimed that Japan doesnt allow muslims which is false. You then did say you think on Poland, another one that is false. 

It seemed like what you were saying was that they dont have issues because they dont allow the religion, so to do that here we would need a constitutional change. I didnt even address the trump thing because not even sure where that came from. 

Damn. And I actually contacted a Japanese guy and asked him about that.

[TheNameIsDalton]

Our founding fathers didn’t have Islam in mind when they wrote the constitution.  Our founding fathers were writing to protect Protestants and Catholics alike due to the strain between the two in Europe.  

 

Islam was definitely not what they were trying to protect.  To insist otherwise is ignorant.  

 

Our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they could see these two young muslim congresswomen at work.   

[TheNameIsDalton]

14 minutes ago, btex said:

You got any evidence that supports this?

 

Muslims didn’t immigrate to the states during their time or the century after.  They were brought in as slaves.  Some estimations say 20% of slaves were Muslim.  We know slaves personal liberties were non existent.  This means their religion was as well.  

[CarthDawg77]

5 minutes ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

 

Muslims didn’t immigrate to the states during their time or the century after.  They were brought in as slaves.  Some estimations say 20% of slaves were Muslim.  We know slaves personal liberties were non existent.  This means their religion was as well.  

They were welcomed by Thomas Jefferson, who must not have aware of their more radical brethren or else I don’t think he would have been as inclined to allow them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/06/26/thomas-jefferson-and-the-long-history-of-defending-muslim-rights/

[TheNameIsDalton]

50 minutes ago, CarthDawg77 said:

They were welcomed by Thomas Jefferson, who must not have aware of their more radical brethren or else I don’t think he would have been as inclined to allow them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/06/26/thomas-jefferson-and-the-long-history-of-defending-muslim-rights/

 

There are a lot of fluff pieces out there about Jefferson and Islam.  You can even find articles with Obama chiming in.  The funny part is the word “Islam” or “Muslims” was not even used as a descriptor in the 1770s of that particular religion.  The actual word used escapes me at the moment.  My vast hours of university historical study is not enough to overcome my middle aged brain at the moment.  

 

You don’t need to read fluff pieces from google post 9/11 to understand my claims.  You really need to study European history to get the idea of the separation of Islam to the western world, as well as the divide between other eastern civilizations with other eastern religions.  (Hindu and Buddhist for example)

 

 

Anyone who knows Dalton knows I have a master’s degree from NYU in philosophical studies.  

 

So I’ll ask one question.  Why are civilizations in the east so much more aggressive towards Islam than we are?

 

because they know 

[TheNameIsDalton]

“Mahomedan”

 

 

[TheNameIsDalton]

http://apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=7&article=4622

 

 

interesting critique of an article written by library of congress James Hutson. 

 

Once again, not a Jefferson fluff piece post 9/11.  

[RETIREDFAN1]

1 hour ago, btex said:

You made the claim about what our founding fathers had in mind. I asked for evidence of that. I would like to see their words. Their clear thoughts. I have shown what Jefferson’s clear thoughts were by his own words. 

The founders words are in the article.....read it or shut up about evidence.......

[RETIREDFAN1]

It is imperative that we not misconstrue the Founders’ strong emphasis on religious freedom and tolerance as an indication that they viewed all religion as legitimate or conducive to the principles of the Republic. Their central concern was “disestablishment,” i.e., preventing the federal government from establishing one Christian sect as the state religion. Their idea of “freedom of religion” was first and foremost freedom to pursue the Christian religion unhindered by the federal government, and only secondarily freedom to practice non-Christian religion. This truth is verified by the discussions surrounding the wording of the First Amendment. George Mason—who has gone down in American history as the Father of the Bill of Rights—proposed the following wording: “All men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that no particular sect or society of Christians ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others” (as quoted in Rowland, 1892, 1:244, emp. added). While Mason’s proposal did not make the final cut, it nevertheless establishes the historical context of the Founders’ discussion, demonstrating that their concern was first and foremost for the free exercise of the Christian religion. Using similar terminology, Mason had previously crafted The Virginia Declaration of Rights—the very document which influenced both Thomas Jefferson’s wording of the Declaration of Independence as well as James Madison’s draft of the Bill of Rights that was added to the federal Constitution. Article XVI reads:

That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practise Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other (Mason, 1776, emp. added).

To the Founders, “tolerance” was not to be equated with approval or agreement, let alone encouragement that would imply an equal place should be made for non-Christian religion in government, schools, etc. The Founders were no more willing to encourage Islam than they were interested in encouraging the spread of atheism, paganism, or Native American religion. [NOTE: Atheists, though few in number at the time in America, were not allowed to serve as witnesses in court—see Story, 1851, 2:8-9; Swift, 1796, 2:238.] For example, the Father of our country, George Washington, delivered a speech to the Delaware Indian chiefs on May 12, 1779: “You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention” (15:55, emp. added). Far from encouraging the superstitious idolatry of much of Native American religion, the Founders (including the Congress!) urged Indians to convert to Christianity. The same may be said for all other non-Christian ideologies—including the inherently godless economic philosophies of socialism, Marxism, fascism, and atheistic communism. Indeed, their words and actions denigrate such thought systems. They believed that non-Christian philosophies and religions were false and ultimately detrimental to genuine liberty.