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Saying we should secede if a certain person wins is no better than Hollywood stars saying they will move away when George W. Bush was running, both IMO is sour grapes..If the person you dont want to win does win, IMO you respect the office they uphold and hope 4 years later you can vote in your candidate

 

Loving your Country does not mean loving everyone in office, but it does mean not abandoning your country just because your not happy with who is President

 

Dear Sir or Madam:

 

I have one question for you. Do you know how to read? If so, go back to the original post and try again.

 

Regards,

Fivehead

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Before I run this up the flagpole, let me say that I'm not threatening to leave the country if this guy or that guy wins. I just think it may be an idea whose time has come, especially in light of recent rumblings in Montana about doing just that.

Might even be better to do it if McCain wins. Who'd expect it then?

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Dear Sir or Madam:

 

I have one question for you. Do you know how to read? If so, go back to the original post and try again.

 

Regards,

Fivehead

 

 

Dear Sir Or Madam

 

 

I never said you said you would leave, I just compared it to that rhetoric the Hollywood left was spouting in the elections..and yes I am reading into it a bit more, but your post later on about socialistic government IMo shows your basically saying the more power the Democrats have the more you want to secede

 

The thought remains the same..I dont believe in I dont like how things are going in the government so we should make our own country...South tried that once and it did not work to well...Better to stay and fight for change than to just quit...what will happen if certain regions of Texas dont like things, will they then want to secede from the Republic of Texas?

 

And does anyone honestly think the United States would just allow this? They would not simply say ok good bye, lets work together, it would be a war, and one I dont think Texas would win

 

Also, unless your talking about overthrowing all politicans here in Texas, you can bet most of the things the national government does, the Republic of Texas would do as well or at least use it as a model

 

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Dear Sir Or Madam

 

 

I never said you said you would leave, I just compared it to that rhetoric the Hollywood left was spouting in the elections..and yes I am reading into it a bit more, but your post later on about socialistic government IMo shows your basically saying the more power the Democrats have the more you want to secede

 

The thought remains the same..I dont believe in I dont like how things are going in the government so we should make our own country...South tried that once and it did not work to well...Better to stay and fight for change than to just quit...what will happen if certain regions of Texas dont like things, will they then want to secede from the Republic of Texas?

 

And does anyone honestly think the United States would just allow this? They would not simply say ok good bye, lets work together, it would be a war, and one I dont think Texas would win

 

Also, unless your talking about overthrowing all politicans here in Texas, you can bet most of the things the national government does, the Republic of Texas would do as well or at least use it as a model

 

1st paragraph: Yes you did say I was threatening to leave if a certain candidate won. And the decline of our country has little to do with party affiliation anymore. There's not 2 cents difference in both major parties.

 

2nd paragraph: If you had been in charge in 1776, we would still be British subjects. As far as the South trying it and failing, if they had succeeded, the country would today more resemble the original intent of the founding fathers, i.e., a group of states bound together by a weak central government. (read your history book)

 

3rd paragraph: No they would not just allow it. But I also don't think they would use military force. I think this country has lost their ability to intimidate, our enemies know it, and the U.S. military will soon be occupied in the war between Iran and Israel. They won't have the time or the manpower to attack Texas.

 

4th paragraph: We would, of course, restructure our government, amounting to an "overthrow" of all politicians here in Texas. President Berman and Vice President Eltife sounds about right.

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1st paragraph: Yes you did say I was threatening to leave if a certain candidate won. And the decline of our country has little to do with party affiliation anymore. There's not 2 cents difference in both major parties.

 

2nd paragraph: If you had been in charge in 1776, we would still be British subjects. As far as the South trying it and failing, if they had succeeded, the country would today more resemble the original intent of the founding fathers, i.e., a group of states bound together by a weak central government. (read your history book)

 

3rd paragraph: No they would not just allow it. But I also don't think they would use military force. I think this country has lost their ability to intimidate, our enemies know it, and the U.S. military will soon be occupied in the war between Iran and Israel. They won't have the time or the manpower to attack Texas.

 

4th paragraph: We would, of course, restructure our government, amounting to an "overthrow" of all politicians here in Texas. President Berman and Vice President Eltife sounds about right.

 

If I was around in 1776 I would be all for independence..IMO their reasons were more valid ( I have read a history book thanks)...I dont disagree about a weaker central government, and I dont disagree that there is alot of problems today, I just dont think seceding is the answer

 

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The United States, as a whole, has gotten so far off track and so far from the original intent of the founding fathers that it more closely resembles the old Soviet Union than it does the America I grew up in. I am forced, by law, to wear a seatbelt in my own vehicle which is MY property. If I want to even DEPOSIT a large amount of cash in my OWN bank account, federal law requires me to present identification (in the name of the failed"War on Drugs"). People who smoke are persecuted by the government like they are criminals. Our own children are encouraged to "turn Mommy and Daddy in" to the authorities if they see their parents with drugs. We are teetering on the brink of socialized medicine and, I fear, nationalized oil companies.

 

So, you're saying we would all be better off by being less safe in our vehicles, more prone to theft, more exposed to smoke and telling kids to turn the other cheek when they see Mom and Dad snorting cocaine?

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So, you're saying we would all be better off by being less safe in our vehicles, more prone to theft, more exposed to smoke and telling kids to turn the other cheek when they see Mom and Dad snorting cocaine?

 

I'm saying we would be better off being free. You kids, unfortunately, have never actually experienced true freedom. And there's no way for those of us who have experienced it convey to you how great it was. The state of being that you call freedom is almost exactly the same situation that existed in the old Soviet Union 40 years ago. They used to tell us in school in the 60's about onerous Soviet governmental control of even the smallest activities, and we used to sit, mouth agape and wonder how people could live under such conditions.

 

You, young friend, were born into conditions very similar to these. And the rest of us have been slowly eased into Socialism by degrees, so that the less aware among us just assume it was always this way. Those of us who take the time to slow down and actually think for ourselves aren't so easy to fool. I just feel sorry for you, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

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I'm saying we would be better off being free. You kids, unfortunately, have never actually experienced true freedom. And there's no way for those of us who have experienced it convey to you how great it was. The state of being that you call freedom is almost exactly the same situation that existed in the old Soviet Union 40 years ago. They used to tell us in school in the 60's about onerous Soviet governmental control of even the smallest activities, and we used to sit, mouth agape and wonder how people could live under such conditions.

 

You, young friend, were born into conditions very similar to these. And the rest of us have been slowly eased into Socialism by degrees, so that the less aware among us just assume it was always this way. Those of us who take the time to slow down and actually think for ourselves aren't so easy to fool. I just feel sorry for you, but I suppose ignorance is bliss.

 

So ... I'll repeat the question. You would feel "free" if you were less safe in your vehicle, more prone to theft, more exposed to smoke and telling kids to turn the other cheek when they see Mom and Dad snorting cocaine?

 

There's no reason to feel sorry for me. I love my life and the world around me, because I know it could be a whole lot worse.

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What Fivehead is saying is, we should be free to make those decisions on our own, or not make them, as the case may be. It's not illegal to smoke, yet those who do are ostracized and berate and demeaned. It should be my decision whether or not I want to be more safe in my vehicle (which, BTW, I am).

 

It's about not having the government trying to protect us from ourselves. It's none of their business what I do in my car, or if I smoke. If I want to turn my lungs black, so be it. They're my lungs.

 

BTW, you should read 1984 by George Orwell. It's very revealing.

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What Fivehead is saying is, we should be free to make those decisions on our own, or not make them, as the case may be. It's not illegal to smoke, yet those who do are ostracized and berate and demeaned. It should be my decision whether or not I want to be more safe in my vehicle (which, BTW, I am).

 

It's about not having the government trying to protect us from ourselves. It's none of their business what I do in my car, or if I smoke. If I want to turn my lungs black, so be it. They're my lungs.

 

BTW, you should read 1984 by George Orwell. It's very revealing.

 

and I totally agre with you and five on thhat..again I am not saying woohoo I love where the Federal government is gong..I dont, I just dont secession is a truly viable option

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BTW, you should read 1984 by George Orwell. It's very revealing.

 

I've read it (more than once), and while it is horrifying, America is nowhere near the situation Orwell created ... and I don't believe it's headed that way because of seat belt laws and smoking bans.

 

I do understand where Fivehead is coming from. I just know that it could be a lot worse in this country, and while that's not an excuse, I find it easier to be thankful for what we do have.

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I've read it (more than once), and while it is horrifying, America is nowhere near the situation Orwell created ... and I don't believe it's headed that way because of seat belt laws and smoking bans.

 

 

Don't you think that's a bit oversimplified?

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I try to keep things as simple as possible, I guess. Call me naive, but that's just me.

 

 

I believe we are in fact headed toward the Orwellian society in 1984. Our civil liberties are being snatched away on what seems to be a daily basis. We are being watched (whether electronically or actually) and being as to watch. We see one thing, yet are told it's something else. We are told that the loss of some freedom in pursuit of security is a good thing. And we are ignoring basic necesseties in lieu of worhipping what the liberal tree worshippers call "Mother Earth".

 

We're closer than anyone wants to admit.

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I do understand where Fivehead is coming from. I just know that it could be a lot worse in this country, and while that's not an excuse, I find it easier to be thankful for what we do have.

 

If you're burned over 50% of your body, IT COULD BE A LOT WORSE. That doesn't make being burned any more enjoyable.

 

You need to understand the job of the federal govenment in order to understand just how wrong this situation is. In case you don't know, here is the consensed version. Maintain a well regulated militia, establish post office and post roads, enter into compacts with foreign govenments, issue patents, punish piracies on the high seas.

 

That's it. That's the list. Do you see "Compel the people to wear their seatbelts"? "Force people to smoke outdoors more than 20 feet from a door or wndow"? "Compel children to inform the police of the illegal activities of their parents"? You could make a list a mile long, literally, of the instances in which the federal government is acting in an unconstitutional manner to deprive us of our rights under that great document.

 

Sorry, kid. The America you know is nothing more than a freakish bastardization of the original intent of the founding fathers. And you just don't know the difference. I guess that wasn't on the TAKS test.

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ML4E, another freedom that has been taken from me by the federal government is the freedom to use the money that is over and above a fair amount of tax, as I wish. In other words, there is level of taxation that is fair and equitable, to be used to fund this government. Then there is the amount above that. The amount which is between fair and equitable and what we pay is ridiculously high. And the freedom that amount robs from me is the freedom to give as I see fit to social programs, to pick and choose at my behest, not that of the government.

 

The situation we find ourselves in today is almost the same as what tea was thrown in Boston Harbor, lo those many years ago. I have to fund programs that make it possible for people to do nothing and receive a check. And in many cases, that money allows them to come up with "creative" methods by which to augment their government subsidy.

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This reminds me of the many instances that are not beneficial to national money tills. They always say "We will let the states handle that at a state level." But, if there is any money involved, we will take this to congress and get it passed.

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Sorry, kid. The America you know is nothing more than a freakish bastardization of the original intent of the founding fathers. And you just don't know the difference. I guess that wasn't on the TAKS test.

 

Brotha man, your sorry attempts to try and insult my intelligence and chastise me for my age are going nowhere. It's time to chill out, and quick.

 

Cry secession all you want, but the idea is going nowhere ... which was essentially the point I was trying to make. I don't and moan about such subjects because it is an enormous waste of time.

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Brotha man, your sorry attempts to try and insult my intelligence and chastise me for my age are going nowhere. It's time to chill out, and quick.

 

Cry secession all you want, but the idea is going nowhere ... which was essentially the point I was trying to make. I don't ###### and moan about such subjects because it is an enormous waste of time.

 

I beg to differ. I've had you both #### and moaning about this very subject since last Saturday.

 

Touche'

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