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31 minutes ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

Comparing him to Surratt has made my day:rofl:

I was not comparing Castles to Surratt.  I was comparing the athletes they have in Carthage currently to the athletes that Henderson currently has.

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This man coached my  youngest son in Corsicana.  He told me that Coach Castles was one of the greatest men he had been under while he was there.  A classy coach, and a great family.  I hate Henderson

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We will get a good glimpse at how bad Castles has run the Henderson program into the ground over the next few years. You can’t blame the new coach for this. He has inherited a mess. And I will say this again...Henderson usually has just as good as athletes as Carthage, if not better. Would love to see what Surratt could have done at Henderson the last 10 years. I back what the admin is doing 100%

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4 minutes ago, LionAlum88 said:

Out of the 8 years Castles has been in Henderson, the only years Henderson had better athletes than Carthage was in 2014 and 2016.  Out of those years, Castles was 2-1 against Surratt.  I was implying that some people that are disappointed in Castles and wanted him out, are comparing him to a program that is having the best run in Texas High School football history.  Any program across the state that making that comparison is simply making a fool out of themselves.

When are you guys gonna realize that this wasn't just about football. I live in Longview and I (and a ton of other people) knew last year he was treading very rough waters because of the AD duties. I'm super curious how this is a surprise to anyone? 

Anyways it's a done deal and I wish my alum nothing but the best moving forward!

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I find it interesting that neither of you answered my question.  If I recall, Henderson had the worst team it has had in 15 years or more this year, and if not for a lineman downfield call late in the game, a man that has ran the program into the ground had your Buckeyes beat!  Everyone but sportsfanatic seems to want the best for the Henderson program.  

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Does anyone remember when Henderson hired Tom Kimbrough, the Plano HC back in the 1980s? He stayed, what, a few weeks and realized it was NOT a good move and left, didnt even make it to end of Spring semester. So this isn’t the first time Henderson has shocked the landscape. Was the athletic culture that bad to where you blow all those sports up with multiple HC changes? I have been around a looooong time and I have never seen that many HCs leave at the same time after AD was reassigned. At least not that fast. As I said earlier, 62-33 in 8 years? One bad year and goodbye? 

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54 minutes ago, Buckeyenation86 said:

We will get a good glimpse at how bad Castles has run the Henderson program into the ground over the next few years. You can’t blame the new coach for this. He has inherited a mess. And I will say this again...Henderson usually has just as good as athletes as Carthage, if not better. Would love to see what Surratt could have done at Henderson the last 10 years. I back what the admin is doing 100%

How about just for fun we keep this thread open for the next 5 years.  Coach Castles will land somewhere and I’m willing to bet, eat crow or whatever that he wins twice the games that Henderson does in the next 5 years.  

Also, Carthage went 6-6 the year after their 5th State Championship.  What happened?  Surratt forgot how to coach?  Why didn’t they run him out of town on a rail?  

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1 hour ago, LionAlum88 said:

That was the original plan, I actually suggested a different topic, but you seem to keep thinking that Henderson has had 0 coaching the past 8 years.  If you have been to the same Henderson games as Ithe past couple of years, I have a serious question for you.  I will use Carthage since they are the comparison everyone likes to use.  Hypothetically speaking, if Castles and Surratt swapped places this past year, and each of the schools had the same athletes, would Carthage still have won it all?  Would Henderson have won more games?  I would be willing to bet Carthage still would've won it all, and I highly doubt Surratt would have won more games at Henderson.  Carthage basically has an East Texas All Star team, and kudos to them, but when you dont have the athletes like that it does not matter if Saban is coaching, the outcome will be the same.

With Castles calling the defense instead of Darren Preston, and no Surratt running the offense, the Gilmer game would have been a tossup. 

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21 minutes ago, SUPERKAT17 said:

How about just for fun we keep this thread open for the next 5 years.  Coach Castles will land somewhere and I’m willing to bet, eat crow or whatever that he wins twice the games that Henderson does in the next 5 years.  

Also, Carthage went 6-6 the year after their 5th State Championship.  What happened?  Surratt forgot how to coach?  Why didn’t they run him out of town on a rail?  

Exactly!!!! 

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Have no idea where or how to find out what the henderson defense ranked in the state this season, but Castles defense held Gilmer to 22 points this year, which is their lowest total of the year other than the 14 they scored on Carthage.  If Castles was coaching the #1 ranked defense in the state, I would be willing to bet he could've held the Buckeyes to at least 13.

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2 hours ago, LionAlum88 said:

That was the original plan, I actually suggested a different topic, but you seem to keep thinking that Henderson has had 0 coaching the past 8 years.  If you have been to the same Henderson games as Ithe past couple of years, I have a serious question for you.  I will use Carthage since they are the comparison everyone likes to use.  Hypothetically speaking, if Castles and Surratt swapped places this past year, and each of the schools had the same athletes, would Carthage still have won it all?  Would Henderson have won more games?  I would be willing to bet Carthage still would've won it all, and I highly doubt Surratt would have won more games at Henderson.  Carthage basically has an East Texas All Star team, and kudos to them, but when you dont have the athletes like that it does not matter if Saban is coaching, the outcome will be the same.

You don’t know a lot about Surratt if you believe that...

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2 hours ago, Buckeyenation86 said:

We will get a good glimpse at how bad Castles has run the Henderson program into the ground over the next few years. You can’t blame the new coach for this. He has inherited a mess. And I will say this again...Henderson usually has just as good as athletes as Carthage, if not better. Would love to see what Surratt could have done at Henderson the last 10 years. I back what the admin is doing 100%

This sounds exactly like what the Biden Administration is saying about Trump.  Everything makes sense now!

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3 hours ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

Several of them played AAU ball (and other leagues) since they were kids. Makes a ton of difference.

So how does that make a difference the previous year? Exact same team, exact same kids that supposedly played AAU ball together so how come they didn’t make a run in the playoffs like they did with the next coach???

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7 hours ago, Instigator said:

So how does that make a difference the previous year? Exact same team, exact same kids that supposedly played AAU ball together so how come they didn’t make a run in the playoffs like they did with the next coach???

It makes a ton of difference that they played together for a long play period.

I have a question for you FBC members (goers), how many coaches came through Henderson in the Castle's era?

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12 hours ago, LionAlum88 said:

That was the original plan, I actually suggested a different topic, but you seem to keep thinking that Henderson has had 0 coaching the past 8 years.  If you have been to the same Henderson games as Ithe past couple of years, I have a serious question for you.  I will use Carthage since they are the comparison everyone likes to use.  Hypothetically speaking, if Castles and Surratt swapped places this past year, and each of the schools had the same athletes, would Carthage still have won it all?  Would Henderson have won more games?  I would be willing to bet Carthage still would've won it all, and I highly doubt Surratt would have won more games at Henderson.  Carthage basically has an East Texas All Star team, and kudos to them, but when you dont have the athletes like that it does not matter if Saban is coaching, the outcome will be the same.

Castles could not have done what Surratt has done. Plain and simple. There have been multiple times they have won in which I, as a Bulldog fan, have easily been able to sit back and say “we won, but I’m not sure they didn’t have more talent”. 
 

And Surratt most definitely would have won more games at Henderson based on his offensive creativity and play calling alone. Then you can go and consider the staff he puts together. I’m sorry, I just don’t believe Castles is on the same level at all. 

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11 hours ago, SUPERKAT17 said:

How about just for fun we keep this thread open for the next 5 years.  Coach Castles will land somewhere and I’m willing to bet, eat crow or whatever that he wins twice the games that Henderson does in the next 5 years.  

Also, Carthage went 6-6 the year after their 5th State Championship.  What happened?  Surratt forgot how to coach?  Why didn’t they run him out of town on a rail?  

Injuries upon injuries upon injuries. Otherwise they may have been another Bulldog team that was less talented than their opposition but still went on to achieve great things. 
 

Also you answered your own question. “After their 5th state championship.” Can we please stop comparing in any way, a guy who has won NONE to a guy who has won 8? 

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16 minutes ago, mikehoncho said:

Injuries upon injuries upon injuries. Otherwise they may have been another Bulldog team that was less talented than their opposition but still went on to achieve great things. 
 

Also you answered your own question. “After their 5th state championship.” Can we please stop comparing in any way, a guy who has won NONE to a guy who has won 8? 

Everyone wanna be like Mike, I mean Surratt . Isn’t that what the kids saying these days?

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12 hours ago, SUPERKAT17 said:

How about just for fun we keep this thread open for the next 5 years.  Coach Castles will land somewhere and I’m willing to bet, eat crow or whatever that he wins twice the games that Henderson does in the next 5 years.  

Also, Carthage went 6-6 the year after their 5th State Championship.  What happened?  Surratt forgot how to coach?  Why didn’t they run him out of town on a rail?  

We still remember the pre Surratt years; That’s why...😜

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13 hours ago, LionAlum88 said:

I was not comparing Castles to Surratt.  I was comparing the athletes they have in Carthage currently to the athletes that Henderson currently has.

It seems that some of you Castles haters have A) either a hard time reading, or B)a lack of understanding of basic english words.  Once again, I was simply comparing the current athletes at each school, NOT comparing Castles to Surratt.  I posed a hypothetical question after that and got one response.  Someone in the Kilgore thread asked if changes were made due to the fact Carthage has had more success.  It seems that some Henderson folks are doing the same.  There is no doubt Surratt is a great coach, the best in East Texas for sure.  Numbers do not lie.  It is pointless for schools to hire and fire based on the success Carthage is currently going through.  I am saying, with the amount of athletes Carthage has, you could call someone down from the bleachers to call plays and they would still probably beat most everyone.

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3 minutes ago, LionAlum88 said:

It seems that some of you Castles haters have A) either a hard time reading, or B)a lack of understanding of basic english words.  Once again, I was simply comparing the current athletes at each school, NOT comparing Castles to Surratt.  I posed a hypothetical question after that and got one response.  Someone in the Kilgore thread asked if changes were made due to the fact Carthage has had more success.  It seems that some Henderson folks are doing the same.  There is no doubt Surratt is a great coach, the best in East Texas for sure.  Numbers do not lie.  It is pointless for schools to hire and fire based on the success Carthage is currently going through.  I am saying, with the amount of athletes Carthage has, you could call someone down from the bleachers to call plays and they would still probably beat most everyone.

I disagree here; Carthage has some pretty darn good athletes for years & didn’t have the same success that they do under Surratt/Preston’s leadership. Preston doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough in these conversations, & he certainly is to a great degree responsible for a lot of Carthage’s success. Defense wins football games, titles & Championships just as much as great Offenses.

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7 minutes ago, LionAlum88 said:

It seems that some of you Castles haters have A) either a hard time reading, or B)a lack of understanding of basic english words.  Once again, I was simply comparing the current athletes at each school, NOT comparing Castles to Surratt.  I posed a hypothetical question after that and got one response.  Someone in the Kilgore thread asked if changes were made due to the fact Carthage has had more success.  It seems that some Henderson folks are doing the same.  There is no doubt Surratt is a great coach, the best in East Texas for sure.  Numbers do not lie.  It is pointless for schools to hire and fire based on the success Carthage is currently going through.  I am saying, with the amount of athletes Carthage has, you could call someone down from the bleachers to call plays and they would still probably beat most everyone.

I think Carthage has great kids who buy in to the program, but are they really that talented?  I mean how many D1 football players are there on the roster year in and year out?  How many of the kids who got to go play college ball over the last decade get to go if Carthage hasn't had the success they have had?  I feel like the talent differential isn't that big.  I think some of that is excuse making.  If you think the Dawgs have out talented other teams over the last 12 years, i think you are a little delusional. 

Castles is probably a great guy, but I dont think he's that great a coach.  And I think the other sports have struggled under his leadership.

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22 minutes ago, LionAlum88 said:

It seems that some of you Castles haters have A) either a hard time reading, or B)a lack of understanding of basic english words.  Once again, I was simply comparing the current athletes at each school, NOT comparing Castles to Surratt.  I posed a hypothetical question after that and got one response.  Someone in the Kilgore thread asked if changes were made due to the fact Carthage has had more success.  It seems that some Henderson folks are doing the same.  There is no doubt Surratt is a great coach, the best in East Texas for sure.  Numbers do not lie.  It is pointless for schools to hire and fire based on the success Carthage is currently going through.  I am saying, with the amount of athletes Carthage has, you could call someone down from the bleachers to call plays and they would still probably beat most everyone.

In case you didn’t know......athletes can be developed to be bigger, stronger, and faster........Preston has had a lot of success in track and field - he gets football players faster by having them run track where at a lot of schools they would be home in front of a TV or gaming device .....Weight room workouts at Carthage are well attended year round - bigger and stronger. 

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9 minutes ago, cotton84 said:

In case you didn’t know......athletes can be developed to be bigger, stronger, and faster........Preston has had a lot of success in track and field - he gets football players faster by having them run track where at a lot of schools they would be home in front of a TV or gaming device .....Weight room workouts at Carthage are well attended year round - bigger and stronger. 

Like I said; Preston doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves in these conversations.👌🤨

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I agree 100%. Carthage hasn’t became this powerhouse from just having great athletes. Do they have talented athletes? Yes. Does Henderson have talented athletes? Yes. I would say athlete wise, it has been about the same over the years. Carthage has a program and can develop decent players into great ones. That is what some Henderson folks do not understand. 

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