ObiOne Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 57 minutes ago, Old49er60 said: ABOLITIONIST.......... Exactly. That is why the first post on this thread was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 56 minutes ago, Old49er60 said: Can’t say that. South was overwhelmingly Christian and very pro-slavery. It was preached from pulpits. In the decades preceeding the Civil War several denominations split into northern (anti-slavery) and southern (pro-slavery) churchs. Why were the southern churches pro-slavery? One word...money. Slave labor was the most valuable commodity in the south and some folks...even some preachers...were willing to twist and pervert the gospel for secular reasons. Unfortunately, even today secular issues sometimes infect the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 hours ago, EnjoyLife said: I assumed you were referring to Pres Lincoln. He was a man of his time and while he personally opposed slavery he also believed that blacks were not the equal of whites. I can provide quotes backing up my assertion if you would like. By today's standards that would make him a racist. With that said...it is not really fair to judge people of the past by today's standards. By today’s standards everyone is a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Old49er60 said: Very obvious you didn’t watch what he posted I watched it. Go ahead and explain how white folks did not end slavery in America. I’ll wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ObiOne said: By today’s standards everyone is a racist. There is definitely truth in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ObiOne said: I watched it. Go ahead and explain how white folks did not end slavery in America. I’ll wait You're still not understanding the question. We're talking about where the government abolished it without protest, war etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 Appreciate the Lincoln discussion, but can anyone answer the question from the video? 7473b3737f42286739e8d8a60fc5f5ae.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: Appreciate the Lincoln discussion, but can anyone answer the question from the video? 7473b3737f42286739e8d8a60fc5f5ae.mp4 I can't think of anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellon Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 19 hours ago, Old49er60 said: Ohhh so for one you say leave on the other you make excuses…..how telling No excuses Mein Kampf. I already live in Texas and if they ever want to secede then I'm already here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, EnjoyLife said: I can't think of anything. I'm trying to think hard. I'm hoping to find something. this is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 19 hours ago, DaveTV1 said: It's a bogus question, because she asks what law was changed. Anytime any law is changed there are either letters of protests, actual protests, and in the case of slaver Civil War. Any person of color including whites have to go through the same process. So you see no problem with people having to protest and go through other things to get racists laws and practices off the books? It's sad that throughout history, no one could just say "hey we're wrong about this, let's make it right." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 7 hours ago, ObiOne said: By today’s standards everyone is a racist. Nah I'm pretty sure enslaving people based on skin color, breeding them like cattle, beating them and raping them would be considered racist in any other time period. Just a hunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 9:18 AM, Wild74 said: The question in a roundabout way is black folks can't get the laws changed unless they riot and thieve because white people are racist. So you can't think of one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 12:54 PM, mellon said: They could always move somewhere more to their liking. So instead of trying to make things right, blacks should move? You're in a roll for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 18 hours ago, EnjoyLife said: Christianity That definitely wasnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 hours ago, ctown81 said: You're still not understanding the question. We're talking about where the government abolished it without protest, war etc? Wouldn’t, by the very nature of government , the answer be no. I mean, isn’t government (at least supposed to be) the voice of the people?, therefore until the people, campaigned, protested, etc…. the status quo wouldn’t change? In all things, dangerous intersections, bad laws, too high taxes, slavery, and all other things government controlled, nothing really changes until noise by the people is made loud enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, trashyhound said: Wouldn’t, by the very nature of government , the answer be no. I mean, isn’t government (at least supposed to be) the voice of the people?, therefore until the people, campaigned, protested, etc…. the status quo wouldn’t change? In all things, dangerous intersections, bad laws, too high taxes, slavery, and all other things government controlled, nothing really changes until noise by the people is made loud enough. I get that but racial laws should fall under a moral category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: So you see no problem with people having to protest and go through other things to get racists laws and practices off the books? It's sad that throughout history, no one could just say "hey we're wrong about this, let's make it right." Let me ask you this: Do you think "alcohol checkpoint" laws are a violation of the 4th Amendment? What about "no refusal weekends"? Our politicians in the Texas Legislature passed those laws. No one has, as of yet, said that those laws are "wrong" or "unconstitutional". I believe that they are. I think they're both 4th and possibly 5th Amendment violations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 50 minutes ago, ctown81 said: I get that but racial laws should fall under a moral category I get what you're saying here, but then we start getting into what may or may not be moral. And that's a whole different can of worms. Many people have different moral compasses. I mean, look at this politics forum. Think about how many different people think different things are moral/immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 51 minutes ago, ctown81 said: I get that but racial laws should fall under a moral category Oh i are completely. But i just couldn’t think of any that didn’t fall in that category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: I get what you're saying here, but then we start getting into what may or may not be moral. And that's a whole different can of worms. Many people have different moral compasses. I mean, look at this politics forum. Think about how many different people think different things are moral/immoral. But I think that we can all agree that a lot of things that people of color had to fight for in this country goes under immoral and its honestly sad when I think about that question. I've exhausted all avenues trying to find an answer. I thought I had something with the Japanese concentration camps during World War II but they had to fight for their reparations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellon Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, ctown81 said: So instead of trying to make things right, blacks should move? You're in a roll for sure. You're a poor racist human. Nobody ever enslaved you. Yes, It happened years ago and not just in the United States. Go ahead and be bitter the rest of your life and I hope you enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, mellon said: You're a poor racist human. Nobody ever enslaved you. Yes, It happened years ago and not just in the United States. Go ahead and be bitter the rest of your life and I hope you enjoy it. I'm lost. Did I mention slavery in my reply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 22 hours ago, EnjoyLife said: In the decades preceeding the Civil War several denominations split into northern (anti-slavery) and southern (pro-slavery) churchs. Why were the southern churches pro-slavery? One word...money. Slave labor was the most valuable commodity in the south and some folks...even some preachers...were willing to twist and pervert the gospel for secular reasons. Unfortunately, even today secular issues sometimes infect the church. Actually slavery is allowed in the Bible, but it was more of being an indentured servant to pay off debts. In the case of Jacob to marry first Leah and then Rachel, but he wanted Rachel in the first place. That is a little different however than what has been practiced across the world at some time or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Only a racist would even ask that question...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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