UPDATE: Elysian Fields hires Justin Crow

[Valhalla]

41 minutes ago, ArmchairOC said:

I’ve seen guys comment on a message board not knowing the interim sup being referred to is a female and not a male also. To your point no, she was not alone. My main point was EF placed someone who has never hired anyone in the position of leading the hiring committee for the HC/AD which is a big decision for the district. 

The next point was someone not from the area may be walking into a situation  that is yet to develop. A good relationship with the Sup and Campus princiapals is imperative for a new HC/AD and those positions are all still up in the air.  Might not last long if a lot of things don’t go right in the district. 

That applies to pretty much every AD hire.

[DeBerryJacket]

51 minutes ago, ArmchairOC said:

She has been a campus head principal so has probably hired a few classroom teachers before. 

This is false as well.

[ArmchairOC]

48 minutes ago, DeBerryJacket said:

This is false as well.

Your right I did misread that one, she was an elementary ASSISTANT principal… even better.

[ArmchairOC]

1 hour ago, Valhalla said:

That applies to pretty much every AD hire.

Yes but this is EF we’re talking about. More directed at them specifically in context. This is the school that with admin in place has let more than one HC/AD go that went to the 5th round of the playoffs. I do hope it goes well, never rooting against anyone. EF just has a track record that speaks for itself. 

[DeBerryJacket]

46 minutes ago, ArmchairOC said:

Yes but this is EF we’re talking about. More directed at them specifically in context. This is the school that with admin in place has let more than one HC/AD go that went to the 5th round of the playoffs. I do hope it goes well, never rooting against anyone. EF just has a track record that speaks for itself. 

Who are the multiple coaches that were let go by EF after a 5th round appearance?

[ArmchairOC]

20 minutes ago, DeBerryJacket said:

Who are the multiple coaches that were let go by EF after a 5th round appearance?

1.) Eric King

2.) Benny Mitchell

If you have a technicality that makes you right and me wrong go right ahead. Mitchell may have 13-1 and not 14-1 in 1997. I was little back then, so if you have the fact check you win bud. It completely disproves my point that EF has ran off good coaches and also had some really good coaches come and go after 2-3 years. 

[DeBerryJacket]

11 minutes ago, ArmchairOC said:

1.) Eric King

2.) Benny Mitchell

If you have a technicality that makes you right and me wrong go right ahead. Mitchell may have 13-1 and not 14-1 in 1997. I was little back then, so if you have the fact check you win bud. It completely disproves my point that EF has ran off good coaches and also had some really good coaches come and go after 2-3 years. 

No, I had no idea, that’s why I asked. 

[jacket52]

2 hours ago, ArmchairOC said:

1.) Eric King

2.) Benny Mitchell

If you have a technicality that makes you right and me wrong go right ahead. Mitchell may have 13-1 and not 14-1 in 1997. I was little back then, so if you have the fact check you win bud. It completely disproves my point that EF has ran off good coaches and also had some really good coaches come and go after 2-3 years. 

Also Patton after going to State lol 

[smoakysburneracount]

22 hours ago, DeBerryJacket said:

Board was never presented a list. That was a big issue and a reason why Superintendent is no longer there. He drug his feet too long. But you are right, he interviewed a while back with former superintendent. 

That's not correct.  The hiring process was going along just fine.  He resigned of his own free will due to a matter related to the hiring process.  The board did not let him go or ask him to retire.

[smoakysburneracount]

10 hours ago, ArmchairOC said:

Yep, I'd take a lot of money across state lines and wager that when this process started that an OC from Wichita Falls was not what the community was hoping for. Knowing some of the names that were floated out there as front runners at different times in the search, this is a bit of a head scratcher.  But hey, that's what can happen when you give an interim Sup the keys to the city. It will be interesting to see how long this relationship lasts with all the administrative changes that have yet to be made. I'd set the line at two years tops, wouldn't be surprised if it was less.

You have absolutely no clue "what the community was hoping for" and you certainly don't know ALL of the names that were "floated out there as front runners".  Some coaches withdrew their names from consideration and some accepted jobs elsewhere.

The superintendent was NOT given the keys to the city.  She was part of a hiring committee who had the job of selecting 10-15 candidates for interviews, conducting the interviews and narrowing down from there.

[smoakysburneracount]

4 hours ago, ArmchairOC said:

Yes but this is EF we’re talking about. More directed at them specifically in context. This is the school that with admin in place has let more than one HC/AD go that went to the 5th round of the playoffs. I do hope it goes well, never rooting against anyone. EF just has a track record that speaks for itself. 

Have you ever considered the other factors that would cause a district to not renew a HC/AD?  The win/loss record isn't the only factor to be considered.

[smoakysburneracount]

33 minutes ago, jacket52 said:

Also Patton after going to State lol 

Patton left for a bigger paycheck at Rusk.  He wasn't "run off".  3A schools like EF will always be a springboard for coaches.  If they're good, they move onward and upward.

[DeBerryJacket]

24 minutes ago, smoakysburneracount said:

That's not correct.  The hiring process was going along just fine.  He resigned of his own free will due to a matter related to the hiring process.  The board did not let him go or ask him to retire.

I don’t think I said the board asked him to retire. I said the hiring process was some of the issue. Nothing I said was false. Didn’t attack him personally either.  He knew Ford was retiring since August and posted the job in December. So, I have a little idea of what went on. 

[KirtFalcon]

17 minutes ago, smoakysburneracount said:

You have absolutely no clue "what the community was hoping for" and you certainly don't know ALL of the names that were "floated out there as front runners".  Some coaches withdrew their names from consideration and some accepted jobs elsewhere.

The superintendent was NOT given the keys to the city.  She was part of a hiring committee who had the job of selecting 10-15 candidates for interviews, conducting the interviews and narrowing down from there.

What city? ....  

[smoakysburneracount]

46 minutes ago, smoakysburneracount said:

Board was never presented a list. That was a big issue and a reason why Superintendent is no longer there.

Here are the first two sentences of your post.  By saying that, you are implying that the Superintendent was let go because the board wasn't presented with a list of candidates.  That simply isn't true.

19 minutes ago, DeBerryJacket said:

I don’t think I said the board asked him to retire. I said the hiring process was some of the issue. Nothing I said was false. Didn’t attack him personally either.  He knew Ford was retiring since August and posted the job in December. So, I have a little idea of what went on. 

He had no idea when or if Coach Ford was going to formally submit his retirement.  The job was posted at the appropriate time considering all of the circumstances.

[DeBerryJacket]

38 minutes ago, smoakysburneracount said:

Here are the first two sentences of your post.  By saying that, you are implying that the Superintendent was let go because the board wasn't presented with a list of candidates.  That simply isn't true.

He had no idea when or if Coach Ford was going to formally submit his retirement.  The job was posted at the appropriate time considering all of the circumstances.

I said a reason why he was gone. Not the only reason. And every coach on staff and half the community knew Ford was retiring. I doubt Chapman, Ford’s boss, didn’t know he was retiring. Chapman didn’t want to go thru the hiring process and asked Ford to stay multiple times. Chapman wanted it as easy as possible. 

[smoakysburneracount]

5 minutes ago, DeBerryJacket said:

I said a reason why he was gone. Not the only reason. And every coach on staff and half the community knew Ford was retiring. I doubt Chapman, Ford’s boss, didn’t know he was retiring. Chapman didn’t want to go thru the hiring process and asked Ford to stay multiple times. Chapman wanted it as easy as possible. 

Did Mr. Chapman tell you this personally?  If you know him that well then surely you can say so here, on this anonymous forum.  If not, then you are just making this up as you go so that you sound knowledgeable on an anonymous message board.

The bigger point that you and others seem to be missing is the fact that the job was posted in plenty of time and under the proper protocol and procedure for such matters.  There were several great candidates that applied and the committee chose the one that they felt best aligned with the district's goals.

[DeBerryJacket]

39 minutes ago, smoakysburneracount said:

Did Mr. Chapman tell you this personally?  If you know him that well then surely you can say so here, on this anonymous forum.  If not, then you are just making this up as you go so that you sound knowledgeable on an anonymous message board.

The bigger point that you and others seem to be missing is the fact that the job was posted in plenty of time and under the proper protocol and procedure for such matters.  There were several great candidates that applied and the committee chose the one that they felt best aligned with the district's goals.

From what you have posted, I feel like I know more that you do about the situation. But no need to continue to argue. Technically, the interim superintendent made the choice. Not gonna get into those details. But from who I think you are, you should be very familiar with the committee and what took place on the committee. 

[PantherNation2015]

26 minutes ago, DeBerryJacket said:

From what you have posted, I feel like I know more that you do about the situation. But no need to continue to argue. Technically, the interim superintendent made the choice. Not gonna get into those details. But from who I think you are, you should be very familiar with the committee and what took place on the committee. 

Both of you seem to know a lot more than the avg Joe fan about the inner workings of EFISD.  LOL!

[smoakysburneracount]

7 minutes ago, DeBerryJacket said:

From what you have posted, I feel like I know more that you do about the situation. But no need to continue to argue. Technically, the interim superintendent made the choice. Not gonna get into those details. But from who I think you are, you should be very familiar with the committee and what took place on the committee. 

From what you have posted, I feel like I know more that you do about the situation. Trust me, you don't.

But no need to continue to argue.  Thank you.

Technically, the interim superintendent made the choice. Not gonna get into those details.  Because you can't.

But from who I think you are, you should be very familiar with the committee and what took place on the committee.  I am.

I have very little patience for anonymous message board/social media keyboard warriors because you state rumors and hearsay as fact and other people run with it.  If you don't know, don't post.

[DeBerryJacket]

9 minutes ago, smoakysburneracount said:

From what you have posted, I feel like I know more that you do about the situation. Trust me, you don't.

But no need to continue to argue.  Thank you.

Technically, the interim superintendent made the choice. Not gonna get into those details.  Because you can't. 
 

I can but won’t give the details out of respect to all the candidates that applied and were interviewed. 

 

But from who I think you are, you should be very familiar with the committee and what took place on the committee.  I am.

I have very little patience for anonymous message board/social media keyboard warriors because you state rumors and hearsay as fact and other people run with it.  If you don't know, don't post.

What have I posted that’s false? You post the same rhetoric on the local EF social media pages. I have read it for months. You defend Chapman to the end despite his job performance. Now defending the hiring process. You think you know but you don’t. If you and others would take off the Orange & White colored glasses, EF could improve even more. Not a keyboard warrior, I’m just posting facts, not rumors. Can back everything I have posted up also. Just choosing to keep it basic out of respect to the coaches that interviewed and applied and coach that was hired. 
 

Funny you complain about anonymous message boards but the title of your screen name includes “burner account”

[jacket52]

Congrats and Welcome Coach Crow ! 

[Eagleborn]

This is great reading. 

[smoakysburneracount]

On 1/19/2022 at 6:54 AM, DeBerryJacket said:

EF has a guy that has applied and interviewed. His resume is outstanding. Really should be a no brainer. EF don't get coaches with this type of resume apply. Hopefully the superintendent and the board make the hire.

Example #1:  Unless you've been part of the past or current hiring committees or have some administrator level of knowledge of the applicants, you have no clue what types of coaches apply.  

[smoakysburneracount]

On 1/24/2022 at 5:00 PM, DeBerryJacket said:

You would think! Wish a board member or 2 would step in and call an emergency meeting. From what I have heard they have a couple of quality candidates and a homerun candidate. They have enough to choose from. Not sure why superintendent is dragging. But board needs to step in and get this thing done. 

Do you know how long it takes to properly screen and complete the due diligence research on several candidates?  No, you don't.  Unless you are a coach, superintendent or administrator (and you clearly are not) you have no idea what the process involves.  Only an idiot would rush a process like this.