GTAlumnus Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, UnclePigg said: Longest post in the history of Smoaky Lots of information there that took alot of research. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootlegger Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, GTAlumnus said: I think you can throw out size as a real factor. Both state championship games Gunter won in 2016 and 2019 were against teams that where much bigger. Most of the teams we play are bigger. Part of this is by design - coach likes quickness over size. The defense is very quick and those big boys find it hard to get a block on them. Not only on the lines but the skill players for Gunter's opponents are bigger too. Should be a great game and I know neither team will go down without a fight. When we played 4A Sunnyvale and Div 1 Pilot Point and Whitesboro they looked like they were in a bigger division which they were. But 59-6 Pilot Point, 43-7 Sunnyvale, and 28-6 Whitesboro were the results. All of these multi-round playoff teams. Most our playoff games the other team was bigger, including Roosevelt. Yes you have a valid point. But I think this Franklin team is very fast too. Even in the trenches and on the perimeter. Again, not saying Gunter can’t/won’t win. I am pulling for them. Just think this opponent is a lot better than Boling and Pewit. This is the BEST offensive team I think Gunter has had. It’s gonna come down to whether the D can keep Franklin to a reasonable score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, UnclePigg said: Longest post in the history of Smoaky Nah, that was my summary version. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingtveer Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, GTAlumnus said: Lots of information there that took alot of research. I agree. I love reading pax’s info. He puts in lots of time for sure !! vote Pax 2024 !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 hours ago, GTAlumnus said: Lots of information there that took alot of research. I’m not denying that at all; well said just very long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDellaRosa Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I will say this about Gunter at this deep point in the playoffs -- you can almost always tell before the end of the first quarter how the game is going to go. They have played nine semifinal or title games and in seven of them it was pretty obvious what the outcome would be -- win or lose. If you have a question of how their defense or offense will do against a certain opponent, it doesn't take more than three or four drives to see how things play out. History doesn't mean anything of course -- but it is an interesting trend -- and I do think these are the two best teams left standing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just some tidbits : Franklin opponents have played in 158 other games, and only in 9 of those games did their opponent score fewer points than they did against Franklin (5.7%). Only 5 times in those 158 games did their opponents allow more points than Franklin scored on them (3.2%). Gunter opponents have played in 164 other games, and in only 3 have those opponents scored fewer than they did against Gunter (1.8%) and in 11 of those games did their opponents allow more than Gunter scored on them (6.7%). Only considering district and playoff games : Franklin's opponents have played 114 other games and 5 times their opponents scored fewer than Franklin allowed (4.4%) and only twice in those 114 games did opponents allow more than Franklin scored on them (1.8%). Gunter's opponents have played 120 other games and only twice did those opponents score fewer than Gunter allowed (1.7%) and 5 times did they allow more than Gunter scored (4.2%) Only considering playoffs : Franklin's opponents in 57 other games scored fewer than they did against Franklin twice (3.5%) and twice did those opponents allow more than Franklin scored (3.5%). Gunter's opponents in 60 games never scored fewer than Gunter allowed to them, and never gave up more points than Gunter scored on them. In Franklin's 15 games, 5 times has Franklin both held those opponents to the fewest they scored all year AND scored the most points that team allowed all year. In Gunter's 15 games, 10 times they both held the team to their lowest output of the season and scored the most that team allowed all season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild74 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 20 hours ago, UnclePigg said: Longest post in the history of Smoaky Reagle says hold my beer…… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAlumnus Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 14 hours ago, JasonDellaRosa said: I will say this about Gunter at this deep point in the playoffs -- you can almost always tell before the end of the first quarter how the game is going to go. They have played nine semifinal or title games and in seven of them it was pretty obvious what the outcome would be -- win or lose. If you have a question of how their defense or offense will do against a certain opponent, it doesn't take more than three or four drives to see how things play out. History doesn't mean anything of course -- but it is an interesting trend -- and I do think these are the two best teams left standing. I guess that is true. An exception is probably the 2019 game against Canadian. They got up on us 17-3 in the first half I think. Ultimately we outscored them 24-3 to end the game and win 27-20. Gunter coaches are good with adjustments however. The 2019 season began with us down 21-0 to Daingerfield and we won this game and the state championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUTIGERS Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 This should be a great game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonDellaRosa Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, GTAlumnus said: I guess that is true. An exception is probably the 2019 game against Canadian. They got up on us 17-3 in the first half I think. Ultimately we outscored them 24-3 to end the game and win 27-20. Gunter coaches are good with adjustments however. The 2019 season began with us down 21-0 to Daingerfield and we won this game and the state championship. That was one of the two. It was 17-3 but it got to 17-10 at half and was 17-13 after the opening drive of the second half. The other was 2018 vs Canadian, only because it was such a low-scoring game between two great defenses that it was close enough that one drive here or there made the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUTigahs Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 hours ago, GTAlumnus said: I guess that is true. An exception is probably the 2019 game against Canadian. They got up on us 17-3 in the first half I think. Ultimately we outscored them 24-3 to end the game and win 27-20. Gunter coaches are good with adjustments however. The 2019 season began with us down 21-0 to Daingerfield and we won this game and the state championship. Then there’s 2017. Led the game until late in the 3rd. Then gave up 26 unanswered to the figs and lost 40-16. Cute misdirection ball worked for a while. But the better team emerged. What a game to watch! One of the few times I’ve enjoyed being at jerry’s place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAlumnus Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, LSUTigahs said: Then there’s 2017. Led the game until late in the 3rd. Then gave up 26 unanswered to the figs and lost 40-16. Cute misdirection ball worked for a while. But the better team emerged. What a game to watch! One of the few times I’ve enjoyed being at jerry’s place. Yeah there is that. Pretty good Newton team as I recall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUTigahs Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, GTAlumnus said: Yeah there is that. Pretty good Newton team as I recall. Yes sir. Solid team all around. And fast doesn’t describe that team. They played for their coach. They knew his time was coming and left it all on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go79 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Who well win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 2:20 PM, LSUTIGERS said: Total yards from last night. Waskom 318 rushing -5 passing = 313 Franklin 338 rushing 41 passing = 379 I think Gunter's D will keep Franklin in check if they are that one dimensional. I'm picking GT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Franklin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88YoePride Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 12:28 PM, wingtveer said: Gunter’s pistol offense is explosive. So many different players getting touches. They do a lot of stuff with the offense. They are aggressive on defense. They read their keys and get to the ball in a hurry. Giving credit, Franklin is very good with the slot-t and they swarm on defense. im going with Gunter by 15+. TPW !! variables (1) Gunter’s passing game. (2) turnovers (3) adjustments Lions also spread the ball around?, and are aggressive on defense and get to the ball in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyzNdaHood Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, ObiOne said: I think Gunter's D will keep Franklin in check if they are that one dimensional. I'm picking GT No 1 in D2 is keeping the lions in check man.... nothing wrong with being the #2 in state but franklin is just on another level I do think it'll be a good game for a couple quarters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, JETT said: No 1 in D2 is keeping the lions in check man.... nothing wrong with being the #2 in state but franklin is just on another level I do think it'll be a good game for a couple quarters You may be right. But 41 yards passing won't do it against Gunter. I say they will need at least triple that or they will lose. Should be a good game. We will see in a few days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyzNdaHood Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, ObiOne said: You may be right. But 41 yards passing won't do it against Gunter. I say they will need at least triple that or they will lose. Should be a good game. We will see in a few days They haven't needed to pass to dominate teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, JETT said: They haven't needed to pass to dominate teams Didn't dominate Waskom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyzNdaHood Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, ObiOne said: Didn't dominate Waskom That was a damn good game, and nothing against waskom cause they are a well coached team, but franklin was just better.. waskom made plays when it mattered to make it interesting at times, but you could tell it was just a matter of time b4 franklin was going to take over that game... waskom had a 80 something yard run early by #7 for 6 and a 60 yard run by the QB early 3rd... other than that franklin stopped them from scoring... waskom is a damn good team and I've watched them 3 times this year in the playoffs and they usually score at will with #7, #20, #15, #23... IMO #7 is waskoms best player and other than that 84 yard I believe option they ran he was almost silent and it's hard to stop him... I think it'll be good thru halftime... I'm sticking with 35-14 lions Good luck to both these schools, both deserving to be on the big stage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingtveer Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 8 hours ago, 88YoePride said: Lions also spread the ball around?, and are aggressive on defense and get to the ball in a hurry. I think that’s what I basically said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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