NIL Issues

[DB2point0]

10 hours ago, WETSU said:

There are baseball players in the top 3-4 rounds every year that choose to play college. The mlb draft has 40 rounds and still has a really good college product. Football would be no different. 
 

the top 247 would not be depleted every year because your math is wrong. If 32 teams draft 20 players every year that’s 640 players total. But that included draft eligible juniors as well not just freshman. So you’d have to figure the majority of the draft will still be the better more nfl ready juniors and seniors not 18 year old freshman. It’s not like the top 640 freshman would be going. 

If the draft takes the place of the transfer portal for underclassmen I’d like that.  Only transfer if you’re a Grad transfer.  If you are happy where you’re at, draft or work harder.  That would force kids to make a good decision from the start, instead of who gives the most bagged money 

[WETSU]

16 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

If the draft takes the place of the transfer portal for underclassmen I’d like that.  Only transfer if you’re a Grad transfer.  If you are happy where you’re at, draft or work harder.  That would force kids to make a good decision from the start, instead of who gives the most bagged money 

I don’t think who gives the most money is the factor for as many kids as you think it is right now. I absolutely agree for some it might be, but it’s not changing recruiting the way you think it is. 

I do like your proposed idea for transfers though. I do not have a problem with kids switching schools but there needs to be some real incentive not to switch. Perhaps sit out a year and can’t be on scholarship your first year at new school. 

[DB2point0]

5 minutes ago, WETSU said:

I don’t think who gives the most money is the factor for as many kids as you think it is right now. I absolutely agree for some it might be, but it’s not changing recruiting the way you think it is. 

I do like your proposed idea for transfers though. I do not have a problem with kids switching schools but there needs to be some real incentive not to switch. Perhaps sit out a year and can’t be on scholarship your first year at new school. 

It’s not?  aTm signed the highest rated class….ever.  Yea, it’s changing recruiting.  Texas signed a top 5 class and one of the best OL classes in their history, after going 5-7.  Yea, it’s changing recruiting.  
 

college football was the best sport on earth IMO.  In 10 years, it’ll be like watching the Super Bowl just for commercials.  

[WETSU]

1 minute ago, DB2point0 said:

It’s not?  aTm signed the highest rated class….ever.  Yea, it’s changing recruiting.  Texas signed a top 5 class and one of the best OL classes in their history, after going 5-7.  Yea, it’s changing recruiting.  
 

college football was the best sport on earth IMO.  In 10 years, it’ll be like watching the Super Bowl just for commercials.  

Texas hasn’t fielded a “good” team in over a decade now and has consistently recruited in the top 10. A&M has recruited a top 5 class 3/years of Fisher and these types of classes are possible when you get big signature wins that they were all there for like the Bama game. Also A&M doesn’t recruit this class if OU and LSU aren’t replacing their staffs. It was not only money it was a perfect storm. 
 

If your really think this class was bought and money is the only factor, then why did they lose guys like Banks and Perkins who are the two highest position of needs for them? 

[Valhalla]

13 hours ago, WETSU said:

Why? College baseball is still so much better than minor league baseball even with the chance to go pro. 
 

Don’t look at this like every kid will be drafted…. I’m saying if we expanded the nfl draft to say 20 rounds instead of 7 and let teams fill a minor league team with their draft picks, you would still get majority of those picks being draft picks eligible juniors from college. Only the elite HS kids would even get drafted. And even half of those would recognize that it’s better to get a degree than to go play for a minor league team. 
 

the quality of college football would not drop at all. If anything it may be improved because I think you’d see more parity as the super elite guys would just skip playing at the top few schools for a pro deal. But 90% Of college football would be unchanged just like baseball. 

Nobody really cares about college baseball or minor baseball for the most part.

[WETSU]

19 minutes ago, Valhalla said:

Nobody really cares about college baseball or minor baseball for the most part.

Because baseball is boring for those who don’t really enjoy it. But you can routinely see 9-10k people at sec baseball games. Active crowds too. I wouldn’t say nobody cares about it. It’s not football I agree but college baseball is still a quality product. 

[Coach Rab]

On 1/28/2022 at 8:31 AM, WETSU said:

It would work for sure. I just do not want to see the universities paying non students like that. Just a personal preference. If I wanted to watch overpaid spoiled athletes I’d just watch the nfl. 
 

i know the system I grew up watching is now broken. It is what it is. 

Same.  That’s why I feel they should turn it professional and profit off of it still and quit pretending it’s amateurism.  Nothing about today’s college football is amateur and the universities owning the “franchise” of the sport allows them to recruit openly similar to NFL free agency.  That’s basically what NIL is.  NIL needs to become the marketing of a player while the school compensates the athlete.  I would even throw out the idea of a salary cap for competitive balance.  I am not suggesting millions, I am thinking like $40k-$200k based on their role, and a free NIL market.  Plus we are working with contracts in this model which means that if they break that contract, they have to pay and sit out… I would suggest 2 yr contracts with renewals with a free break if drafted clause

[DB2point0]

1 hour ago, Valhalla said:

Nobody really cares about college baseball or minor baseball for the most part.

I beg the differ on college baseball.  Every college game I’ve attended was packed.  The fans of universities and alumni have an attachment.  Minor league towns usually don’t care.  

[Coach Rab]

5 hours ago, DB2point0 said:

I beg the differ on college baseball.  Every college game I’ve attended was packed.  The fans of universities and alumni have an attachment.  Minor league towns usually don’t care.  

I agree… I catch a few TCU games a year and they are packed and so much fun… LSU baseball at the Box is even better

[MrBuddyGarrity]

A class of 2023 five-star prospect has signed a multi-million NIL deal which is thought to be the largest deal ever for a non-professional athlete, per @slmandel. 

 

GET FULL DETAILS HERE: https://t.co/1cjPuW4aRc https://t.co/9dqRTn9gyK

 

[WETSU]

1 hour ago, MrBuddyGarrity said:

A class of 2023 five-star prospect has signed a multi-million NIL deal which is thought to be the largest deal ever for a non-professional athlete, per @slmandel. 

 

GET FULL DETAILS HERE: https://t.co/1cjPuW4aRc https://t.co/9dqRTn9gyK

 

So a kid that hasn’t even signed is already more valuable to someone than any current player? This has to be a big name. I can’t read the article but is is Arch Manning? That’s the only one I can think of drawing that big of deal regardless where he signs. 

[Red90fly]

7 minutes ago, WETSU said:

So a kid that hasn’t even signed is already more valuable to someone than any current player? This has to be a big name. I can’t read the article but is is Arch Manning? That’s the only one I can think of drawing that big of deal regardless where he signs. 

I've seen speculation it's one of the 5* Cali QB's.  Something about HS kids can sign NIL deals in that state??

[MrBuddyGarrity]

8 minutes ago, WETSU said:

So a kid that hasn’t even signed is already more valuable to someone than any current player? This has to be a big name. I can’t read the article but is is Arch Manning? That’s the only one I can think of drawing that big of deal regardless where he signs. 

According to Stewart Mandel of The Athletic, a class of 2023 five-star prospect has signed a multi-million NIL deal and is thought to be the largest deal ever for a non-professional athlete. The name of the recruit was not named, keeping his identity secret from the public.

Up to $8 million could be included in the deal per the report, with $350,000 coming immediately. From there, the current high school senior will receive monthly payments for as much as $2 million each year. He will then have to make public appearances and “participate” in social media promotions for the third-party company.

“On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletic has learned,” the report said. “He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities ‘on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.'”

[DB2point0]

8 hours ago, WETSU said:

So a kid that hasn’t even signed is already more valuable to someone than any current player? This has to be a big name. I can’t read the article but is is Arch Manning? That’s the only one I can think of drawing that big of deal regardless where he signs. 

Yep, buying players.  The only state where’s its legal for HS kids to sign NIL deals is California.  I don’t think it’s Arch.  If it is, I hope Texas bought him somehow

[Lobo97]

This is one of the many problems I have with the NIL. It was supposed to be a way for college athletes to be paid. You should be required to be in college to get that benefit. 

[WETSU]

2 hours ago, DB2point0 said:

Yep, buying players.  The only state where’s its legal for HS kids to sign NIL deals is California.  I don’t think it’s Arch.  If it is, I hope Texas bought him somehow

The only reason I suspect Arch would just be because he has the type of national intrigue that even before he plays a down he’s already famous. Not recruiting famous, like the kind of famous where every person that even casually watches will know that’s Peyton and Eli’s nephew. That type of following is valuable no matter what school he signs with. That’s why I suspected him. But it very well could be just some cali kid with a rich family friend willing to pay the kid. It’s not a school offering this. Schools don’t really buy the kids they just are the medium for boosters to do it from my understanding of the rule. 

[DB2point0]

19 minutes ago, WETSU said:

The only reason I suspect Arch would just be because he has the type of national intrigue that even before he plays a down he’s already famous. Not recruiting famous, like the kind of famous where every person that even casually watches will know that’s Peyton and Eli’s nephew. That type of following is valuable no matter what school he signs with. That’s why I suspected him. But it very well could be just some cali kid with a rich family friend willing to pay the kid. It’s not a school offering this. Schools don’t really buy the kids they just are the medium for boosters to do it from my understanding of the rule. 

The athletic dept will point boosters to the kids they want.  It’s already happening.  NIL should be renamed to Pandoras Recruiting Box

[Baron]

1 hour ago, WETSU said:

The only reason I suspect Arch would just be because he has the type of national intrigue that even before he plays a down he’s already famous. Not recruiting famous, like the kind of famous where every person that even casually watches will know that’s Peyton and Eli’s nephew. That type of following is valuable no matter what school he signs with. That’s why I suspected him. But it very well could be just some cali kid with a rich family friend willing to pay the kid. It’s not a school offering this. Schools don’t really buy the kids they just are the medium for boosters to do it from my understanding of the rule. 

I read a post from a guy that's about 50/50 on recruiting. He said it was a Tennessee collective, so that probably makes the player Iamaleava.

[MrBuddyGarrity]

LHSAA Gives Green Light For High School Students To Receive NIL Benefits

 

https://t.co/92NcES34E5

 

[MrBuddyGarrity]

The latest headache to hit college sports in the new era where athletes can make money? Tax season. https://t.co/zAVwnWb9VO

 

It'll be HS also in some states. 

[Coach Rab]

On 4/15/2022 at 10:55 PM, MrBuddyGarrity said:

The latest headache to hit college sports in the new era where athletes can make money? Tax season. https://t.co/zAVwnWb9VO

 

It'll be HS also in some states. 

The NCAA should have allowed them to hire agents the moment they allowed NIL the way they did.

[MrBuddyGarrity]

NIL has created a pay for play element in recruiting. More coaches have recently spoken on NIL and its influence on the recruiting process.

 

Read more HERE: https://t.co/vtkfbM2iK1 https://t.co/coJ5OaQ2ZA

 

 

Good read. 

[WETSU]

Here’s what I have to say about coaches discussing NIL…. Take it with a grain of salt. There’s a lot of “rumor” going around about NIL numbers but there’s not a lot of concrete evidence of it. ON3 is the worst about inflating this NIL information because they are using projected value numbers based off social media followers with no real evidence of specific numbers. 
 

What I’m trying to say is until I see legitimate numbers regarding NIL deals I’m not going to believe the numbers being put out. Do I think kids are getting nil? Yes. Do I believe we are seeing tons of 6-7 figure deals and it’s changing everyone’s recruiting and kids are only joining schools for cash? No. 

[Stoney]

 

[WETSU]

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