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9 minutes ago, Baron said:

Just playing with ideas and numbers. Sixteen team scenario, eight auto bids. Six P5 and top three G5 CC and eight at large bids. This probably needs to morph to six P5 and top two G5 with nine at large after realignment. This years probable first round would have been

Alabama vs Utah St

Mich vs Louisiana

UGa vs Oregon

Cincy vs BYU

ND vs Pitt

Oh St vs Utah

Baylor vs Mich St

Ole Miss vs Okie St

Use the top fifteen bowls to play out the championship.

I love it!!!

 Do it already! 
 

What’s the prediction for the first round w/l? I say chalk goes 6/2 or 5/3

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1 hour ago, Baron said:

Just playing with ideas and numbers. Sixteen team scenario, eight auto bids. Six P5 and top three G5 CC and eight at large bids. This probably needs to morph to six P5 and top two G5 with nine at large after realignment. This years probable first round would have been

Alabama vs Utah St

Mich vs Louisiana

UGa vs Oregon

Cincy vs BYU

ND vs Pitt

Oh St vs Utah

Baylor vs Mich St

Ole Miss vs Okie St

Use the top fifteen bowls to play out the championship.

All conference champs have to be included  ....

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8 hours ago, trashyhound said:

Take St Nick out of Bama and the SEC is the same as the rest ( minus the pac). 
Georgia is ok this year, LSU got one hot  year. But other than that, the SEC is pretty average with the other 3. 
I don’t hate the SEC, but the SEC love is gross sometimes. All the other schools singing Bamas praises because “SEC,SEC, SEC”

I know what you're saying but just because Saban has created a dynasty doesn't mean the other teams should be criticized for it. Example: When I seen Cincinnati play the first thing that came to my mind walking out the gates was they would finish 3-5 in the SEC West.

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48 minutes ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

I know what you're saying but just because Saban has created a dynasty doesn't mean the other teams should be criticized for it. Example: When I seen Cincinnati play the first thing that came to my mind walking out the gates was they would finish 3-5 in the SEC West.

Probably so. But Cincinnati is kinda of a flash in the pan. The other upper echelon teams from other conferences (Clemson, Ohio state, Oklahoma, etc) would have no problems competing in the SEC. If you take Nick out of the equation i don’t think the SEC has anymore championships than the other conferences. 

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4 hours ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

I know what you're saying but just because Saban has created a dynasty doesn't mean the other teams should be criticized for it. Example: When I seen Cincinnati play the first thing that came to my mind walking out the gates was they would finish 3-5 in the SEC West.

Cincy held Bama to their lowest point output of the year.

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13 hours ago, KirtFalcon said:

All conference champs have to be included  ....

I agree, all Conference champions should be in the playoffs, that would be 10 teams today. Top 8 get byes in the first week games, the 9th and 10th seeded conferences get the last 2 at large seeded teams, and 6 more games, so 14 total at large bids. That'a 24 teams, I would prefer 34 with just 2 play in games, but I would at least settle for 24. 34 teams allows for more "bowl sites" to be used during the playoffs. 

#1 Seed--Alabama-SEC--2nd Round Game--Gator Bowl

#2 Seed--Michigan-Big 10--2nd Round Game--Quick Lane Bowl

#3 Seed--Cincy-AAC--2nd Round Game--Music City Bowl

#4 Seed--Baylor--Big 12--2nd Round Game--Alamo Bowl

#5 Seed--Pittsburgh--ACC--2nd Round Game--Duke's Mayo Bowl

#6 Seed--Utah--Pac 12--2nd Round Game--Holiday Bowl

#7 Seed--Louisiana-Sun Belt--2nd Round Game--New Orleans Bowl

#8 Seed--UTSA--Conference USA--2nd Round Game--Texas Bowl

#9 Seed--Utah State--MT West

#10 Seed--Northern Illinois--MAC

#11 Seed--Georgia--SEC--Based on final rankings for 14 AT Large Bids.

#12 Seed--Notre Dame--Ind

#13 Seed--Ohio State--Big 10

#14 Seed--Ole Miss--SEC

#15 Seed--Oklahoma State--Big 12

#16 Seed--Michigan State--Big 10

#17 Seed--BYU--Ind

#18 Seed--Oregon--Pac 12

#19 Seed--Iowa--Big 10

#20 Seed--Oklahoma--Big 12

#21 Seed--Wake Forest--ACC

#22 Seed--NC State--ACC

#23 Seed--Clemson--ACC

#24 Seed--Houston--AAC

1st Weeks Games--

#9 seed-Utah State v #24 Seed-Houston--Las Vegas Bowl

#10 Seed-Northern Illinois v #23 Seed-Clemson--Move Outback Bowl to Indianapolis

#11 Seed-Georgia v #22 Seed-NC State--Citrus Bowl

#12 Seed-Notre Dame v #21 Seed-Wake Forest--Birmingham Bowl

#13 Seed-Ohio State v #20 Seed-Oklahoma--Liberty Bowl

#14 Seed-Ole Miss v #19 Seed-Iowa--Independence Bowl

#15 Seed-Oklahoma State v #18 Seed-Oregon--Los Angeles Bowl

#16 Seed-Michigan State v #17 Seed-BYU--Arizona bowl

 Quarterfinal Games--

Cotton Bowl, Fiest Bowl, Peach Bowl, Sugar Bowl

Semi Final Games--

Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl

Championship Game--TBD like the Super Bowls--Cities/Sites bid for it. 

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16 minutes ago, DannyZuco said:

I agree, all Conference champions should be in the playoffs, that would be 10 teams today. Top 8 get byes in the first week games, the 9th and 10th seeded conferences get the last 2 at large seeded teams, and 6 more games, so 14 total at large bids. That'a 24 teams, I would prefer 34 with just 2 play in games, but I would at least settle for 24. 34 teams allows for more "bowl sites" to be used during the playoffs. 

#1 Seed--Alabama-SEC--2nd Round Game--Gator Bowl

#2 Seed--Michigan-Big 10--2nd Round Game--Quick Lane Bowl

#3 Seed--Cincy-AAC--2nd Round Game--Music City Bowl

#4 Seed--Baylor--Big 12--2nd Round Game--Alamo Bowl

#5 Seed--Pittsburgh--ACC--2nd Round Game--Duke's Mayo Bowl

#6 Seed--Utah--Pac 12--2nd Round Game--Holiday Bowl

#7 Seed--Louisiana-Sun Belt--2nd Round Game--New Orleans Bowl

#8 Seed--UTSA--Conference USA--2nd Round Game--Texas Bowl

#9 Seed--Utah State--MT West

#10 Seed--Northern Illinois--MAC

#11 Seed--Georgia--SEC--Based on final rankings for 14 AT Large Bids.

#12 Seed--Notre Dame--Ind

#13 Seed--Ohio State--Big 10

#14 Seed--Ole Miss--SEC

#15 Seed--Oklahoma State--Big 12

#16 Seed--Michigan State--Big 10

#17 Seed--BYU--Ind

#18 Seed--Oregon--Pac 12

#19 Seed--Iowa--Big 10

#20 Seed--Oklahoma--Big 12

#21 Seed--Wake Forest--ACC

#22 Seed--NC State--ACC

#23 Seed--Clemson--ACC

#24 Seed--Houston--AAC

1st Weeks Games--

#9 seed-Utah State v #24 Seed-Houston--Las Vegas Bowl

#10 Seed-Northern Illinois v #23 Seed-Clemson--Move Outback Bowl to Indianapolis

#11 Seed-Georgia v #22 Seed-NC State--Citrus Bowl

#12 Seed-Notre Dame v #21 Seed-Wake Forest--Birmingham Bowl

#13 Seed-Ohio State v #20 Seed-Oklahoma--Liberty Bowl

#14 Seed-Ole Miss v #19 Seed-Iowa--Independence Bowl

#15 Seed-Oklahoma State v #18 Seed-Oregon--Los Angeles Bowl

#16 Seed-Michigan State v #17 Seed-BYU--Arizona bowl

 Quarterfinal Games--

Cotton Bowl, Fiest Bowl, Peach Bowl, Sugar Bowl

Semi Final Games--

Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl

Championship Game--TBD like the Super Bowls--Cities/Sites bid for it. 

I like it except ... NO BYES, NO SPECIAL TREATMENT  .....

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It's actually easier to create a true playoff than any of the weird complicated nonsense we do now (or any of the harebrained schemes I've seen floating around).

  • Conference champs (10 teams), seeded by final ranking.
  • Highest ranked at-larges (6 teams).

16 team playoff, 4 rounds. One true champ.  

"But what about muh bowls? Muh tradition?"

Fine, use the bowls as playoff sites. Use traditional bowl tie-ins as homefield advantage. 

It's so easy, and I guaran-damn-tee you the money would be better with this system. 

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8 minutes ago, LOL said:

It's actually easier to create a true playoff than any of the weird complicated nonsense we do now (or any of the harebrained schemes I've seen floating around).

  • Conference champs (10 teams), seeded by final ranking.
  • Highest ranked at-larges (6 teams).

16 team playoff, 4 rounds. One true champ.  

"But what about muh bowls? Muh tradition?"

Fine, use the bowls as playoff sites. Use traditional bowl tie-ins as homefield advantage. 

It's so easy, and I guaran-damn-tee you the money would be better with this system. 

So… can they host a playoff game in Shreveport? 😂😂

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20 minutes ago, LOL said:

It's actually easier to create a true playoff than any of the weird complicated nonsense we do now (or any of the harebrained schemes I've seen floating around).

  • Conference champs (10 teams), seeded by final ranking.
  • Highest ranked at-larges (6 teams).

16 team playoff, 4 rounds. One true champ.  

"But what about muh bowls? Muh tradition?"

Fine, use the bowls as playoff sites. Use traditional bowl tie-ins as homefield advantage. 

It's so easy, and I guaran-damn-tee you the money would be better with this system. 

See my post.....lol

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34 minutes ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

How many teams from the West played Bama closer than Cincy?

Quite a few. Bama struggled from their typical seasons. Could have lost atleast 2 more regular season games, but they aren't the same team as they were earlier in the Season. They took it to another gear. You saw them manhandle Georgia the #1 team in the nation and they beat Cincy the # 3 team almost as bad. Put your $ on them in the Natty too. They are on a different level now.

 

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4 hours ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

How many teams from the West played Bama closer than Cincy?

At little different playing them in the flow of a season where they don’t get 30 days to get ready for you. 
 

Plus most of Alabama’s struggles were true road games. That isn’t happening out of conference play.

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14 hours ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

How many teams from the West played Bama closer than Cincy?

6 teams total played Bama closer than Cincy.

Only 2 team held Alabama to a lower scoring output.  

You guys act like Cincinnati didn't belong in that game.  Cincy was hitting Bama in the mouth.  They just couldn't score.  But hell, neither could Georgia, LSU, Miami, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Mississippi St, New Mexico, and Auburn.  

Bama is just a step above everyone else.  That's all that game was.

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1 hour ago, MavGrad99 said:

6 teams total played Bama closer than Cincy.

Only 2 team held Alabama to a lower scoring output.  

You guys act like Cincinnati didn't belong in that game.  Cincy was hitting Bama in the mouth.  They just couldn't score.  But hell, neither could Georgia, LSU, Miami, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Mississippi St, New Mexico, and Auburn.  

Bama is just a step above everyone else.  That's all that game was.

I know a team that they weren’t  a step above. A team that did score on them. 😂

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3 hours ago, MavGrad99 said:

6 teams total played Bama closer than Cincy.

Only 2 team held Alabama to a lower scoring output.  

You guys act like Cincinnati didn't belong in that game.  Cincy was hitting Bama in the mouth.  They just couldn't score.  But hell, neither could Georgia, LSU, Miami, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Mississippi St, New Mexico, and Auburn.  

Bama is just a step above everyone else.  That's all that game was.

Did I say that? Refresh my memory please.

But I will say it now, G5 teams do NOT belong in a P5 championship much less a school like UTSA.

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12 hours ago, Valhalla said:

At little different playing them in the flow of a season where they don’t get 30 days to get ready for you. 
 

Plus most of Alabama’s struggles were true road games. That isn’t happening out of conference play.

Didn't Cincy have the same amount of time? If so why wasn't they prepared for the run game especially with Fickell having a DC background?

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55 minutes ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

Didn't Cincy have the same amount of time? If so why wasn't they prepared for the run game especially with Fickell having a DC background?

Cincinnati, defensively, played as well as anyone else played Alabama this season.  Cincinnati's offense was not ready for that defense outside of maybe 3 drives.

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59 minutes ago, Sportsfanatic1 said:

Did I say that? Refresh my memory please.

But I will say it now, G5 teams do NOT belong in a P5 championship much less a school like UTSA.

G5 teams are in the same classification as P5 teams.  Power 5 is just a designation/nickname given to the 5 favorite conferences by ESPN.  If the NCAA believes they do not belong, then make a new classification.  Remove them from the FBS.  While they are all in the same classification, they should all be given the same opportunity to play for a championship.  I am not sure why this is so hard for people.  

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1 hour ago, MavGrad99 said:

G5 teams are in the same classification as P5 teams.  Power 5 is just a designation/nickname given to the 5 favorite conferences by ESPN.  If the NCAA believes they do not belong, then make a new classification.  Remove them from the FBS.  While they are all in the same classification, they should all be given the same opportunity to play for a championship.  I am not sure why this is so hard for people.  

We will have to agree to disagree. These David vs Goliath games normally are snoozers just like this one. 

Boise vs OU was a GREAT story nut there's not many of them.

Question- Do you think Cincy could have beat Ohio State?

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Just now, Sportsfanatic1 said:

We will have to agree to disagree. These David vs Goliath games normally are snoozers just like this one. 

Boise vs OU was a GREAT story nut there's not many of them.

Question- Do you think Cincy could have beat Ohio State?

yes.

The same people who don't think Cincinnati earned their spot in the playoffs ARE the same people who believe 2 and 3 loss teams such as Baylor and Ohio State DESERVED to be there...  That is the most flawed logic I've ever seen.  Especially, if they oppose playoff expansion.

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