WETSU Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, Hookemhorns88 said: All that Colt did was win games with his limited talent. He has been in the NFL for longer than the average player. Colt is a winner no doubt about that. I also think he has a really good work ethic and is a great teammate. He is the perfect backup QB for the nfl. Good enough to come in and play in a pinch for a couple of weeks, not selfish enough to be a locker room distraction and not a guy that you have to worry about being stolen away as a starter so you can pay him a respectable and reasonable salary for his role and it doesn’t impact your ability to sign other players. I’ve got nothing but respect for Colt. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 20 hours ago, WETSU said: Colt is a winner no doubt about that. I also think he has a really good work ethic and is a great teammate. He is the perfect backup QB for the nfl. The same can be said for Sam. No one thought he would stick on an NFL roster in his first year. One year does not make a career, but Indy seemed to value his intangibles as a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Texas lands commitment from 4* DT, Sydir Mitchell. Dude is a beast, 6’5, 355 lbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cotton84 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 13 hours ago, Lobo97 said: Texas lands commitment from 4* DT, Sydir Mitchell. Dude is a beast, 6’5, 355 lbs This is the type player that in the last 10 or so years that turns into a stud at Alabama/Georgia but is so so at Texas -- a 4 star that is not ranked at the top of his class at his position, but in the 2nd tier, walking on campus wherever he chooses with the size already there............Here is hoping he sticks with the Horns, and is a complete stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETXfan16 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 https://www.burntorangenation.com/2022/7/7/23198643/texas-longhorns-football-uniforms-2022 New tweaks to the uniforms. For those that dont want to read - Longhorn logo is removed from the neck and numbers on shoulders are gone. From what I remember they were trying to go with a little bit darker orange. Hard to tell in the photo because it's highly edited, but glad to see the unis not look so clustered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Updated uniforms look good, better than last year’s version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAFan11 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Removing the neck Longhorn is an upgrade regardless of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAFan11 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Saw yesterday Longviews Jalen Hale named his top 3 of Alabama, Georgia, and Texas. Committing on his birthday, September 7th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 @WETSU, in the past we’ve discussed the historical success or lack thereof of the Longhorns. You’ve stated you believe the run from roughly 2000 through 2010 as being much more lofty than the norm UT has experienced over its history, and I’ve always contended it really wasn’t that much different. I submit this bit of info as exhibit A that UT has experienced much more success than failure: In 2009, ESPN ranked Texas as the seventh-most prestigious college football program since 1936.[8] In 2012, the football program was valued at $805 million,[9] more than the calculated value of several NFL teams.[citation needed] Texas is known for their post-season appearances, ranking second in number of bowl game appearances (55),[10] fourth in bowl game victories (29), most Southwest Conference football championships (27), and most Cotton Bowl Classic appearances[11] and victories. Other NCAA records include 108 winning seasons out of 122 total seasons, 24 seasons with 10 or more wins, 9 undefeated seasons, and 26 seasons with at most one loss or tie. From 1936 to 2012, the Longhorns football teams have been in the AP or coaches' rankings 66 out of 76 seasons (86.8% of the time), finishing those seasons ranked in the top twenty-five 48 times and the top ten 28 times. Texas claims four Division I-A national championships (1963, 1969, 1970 and 2005) and 32 conference championships (3 Big 12 Conference, 27 Southwest Conference, and 2 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 The full list: Year Coach Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP° Independent (1893–1895) 1893 Albert Lefevra 4–0 1894 R.D. Wentworth 6–1 1895 Frank Crawford 5–0 Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (1896–1906) 1896 Harry Robinson 4–2–1 1–1 T–5th 1897 W.F. Kelly 6–2 0–0 T–5th 1898 D.F. Edwards 5–1 0–1 T–9th 1899 M.G. Clarke 6–2 3–2 7th 1900 S.H. Thompson 6–0 1–0 4th 1901 S.H. Thompson 8–2–1 0–0 7th 1902 J.B. Hart 6–3–1 4–1 4th 1903 Ralph Hutchinson 5–1–2 0–0–1 8th 1904 Ralph Hutchinson 5–4 1–0 3rd 1905 Ralph Hutchinson 5–4 2–1 4th 1906 H.R. Schenker 9–1 1–1 7th Independent (1907–1908) 1907 W.E. Metzenthin 6–1–1 1908 W.E. Metzenthin 5–4 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association (1909–1914) 1909 Dexter Draper 4–3–1 1910 W.S. Wasmund 6–2 1911 Dave Allerdice 5–2 1912 Dave Allerdice 7–1 1913 Dave Allerdice 7–1 1914 Dave Allerdice 8–0 Southwest Conference (1915–1995) 1915 Dave Allerdice 6–3 2–2 T–3rd 1916 Eugene Van Gent 7–2 5–1 1st 1917 Bill Juneau 4–4 2–3 4th 1918 Bill Juneau 9–0 4–0 1st 1919 Bill Juneau 6–3 3–2 4th 1920 Berry Whitaker 9–0 5–0 1st 1921 Berry Whitaker 6–1–1 1–0–1 2nd 1922 Berry Whitaker 7–2 2–1 2nd 1923 E.J. Stewart 8–0–1 2–0–1 2nd 1924 E.J. Stewart 5–3–1 2–3 6th 1925 E.J. Stewart 6–2–1 2–1–1 2nd 1926 E.J. Stewart 5–4 2–2 T–3rd 1927 Clyde Littlefield 6–2–1 2–2–1 4th 1928 Clyde Littlefield 7–2 5–1 1st 1929 Clyde Littlefield 5–2–2 2–2–2 T–4th 1930 Clyde Littlefield 8–1–1 4–1 1st 1931 Clyde Littlefield 6–4 2–3 5th 1932 Clyde Littlefield 8–2 5–1 2nd 1933 Clyde Littlefield 4–5–2 2–3–1 5th 1934 Jack Chevigny 7–2–1 4–1–1 2nd 1935 Jack Chevigny 4–6 1–5 T–6th 1936 Jack Chevigny 2–6–1 1–5 T–6th 1937 Dana X. Bible 2–6–1 1–5 7th 1938 Dana X. Bible 1–8 1–5 T–6th 1939 Dana X. Bible 5–4 3–3 4th 1940 Dana X. Bible 8–2 4–2 T–3rd 1941 Dana X. Bible 8–1–1 4–1–1 T–2nd 4 1942 Dana X. Bible 9–2 5–1 1st W Cotton 11 1943 Dana X. Bible 7–1–1 5–0 1st T Cotton 14 1944 Dana X. Bible 5–4 3–2 2nd 1945 Dana X. Bible 10–1 5–1 1st W Cotton 10 1946 Dana X. Bible 8–2 4–2 3rd 15 1947 Blair Cherry 10–1 5–1 2nd W Sugar 5 1948 Blair Cherry 7–3–1 2–1–1 2nd W Orange 1949 Blair Cherry 6–4 3–3 T–3rd 1950 Blair Cherry 9–2 6–0 1st L Cotton 4 3 1951 Ed Price 7–3 3–3 T–3rd 1952 Ed Price 9–2 6–0 1st W Cotton 11 10 1953 Ed Price 7–3 5–1 T–1st 1954 Ed Price 4–5–1 2–3–1 5th 1955 Ed Price 5–5 4–2 3rd 1956 Ed Price 1–9 0–6 7th 1957 Darrell Royal 6–4–1 4–1–1 2nd L Sugar 11 11 1958 Darrell Royal 7–3 3–3 4th 1959 Darrell Royal 9–2 5–1 T–1st L Cotton 4 4 1960 Darrell Royal 7–3–1 5–2 T–2nd T Bluebonnet 17 1961 Darrell Royal 10–1 6–1 T–1st W Cotton 4 3 1962 Darrell Royal 9–1–1 6–0–1 1st L Cotton 4 4 1963 Darrell Royal 11–0 7–0 1st W Cotton 1 1 1964 Darrell Royal 10–1 6–1 2nd W Orange 5 5 1965 Darrell Royal 6–4 3–4 T–4th 1966 Darrell Royal 7–4 5–2 2nd W Bluebonnet 1967 Darrell Royal 6–4 4–3 T–3rd 1968 Darrell Royal 9–1–1 6–1 T–1st W Cotton 5 3 1969 Darrell Royal 11–0 7–0 1st W Cotton 1 1 1970 Darrell Royal 10–1 7–0 1st L Cotton 1 3 1971 Darrell Royal 8–3 6–1 1st L Cotton 12 18 1972 Darrell Royal 10–1 7–1 1st W Cotton 5 3 1973 Darrell Royal 8–3 7–0 1st L Cotton 8 14 1974 Darrell Royal 8–4 5–2 T–2nd L Gator T–17 1975 Darrell Royal 10–2 6–1 T–1st W Bluebonnet 7 6 1976 Darrell Royal 5–5–1 4–4 5th 1977 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 4 1978 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 T–2nd W Sun 9 9 1979 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 3rd L Sun 13 12 1980 Fred Akers 7–5 4–4 T–4th L Bluebonnet 1981 Fred Akers 10–1–1 6–1–1 2nd W Cotton 4 2 1982 Fred Akers 9–3 7–1 2nd L Sun 18 17 1983 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 5 1984 Fred Akers 7–4–1 5–3 T–3rd L Freedom 1985 Fred Akers 8–4 6–2 T–2nd L Bluebonnet 1986 Fred Akers 5–6 4–4 5th 1987 David McWilliams 7–5 5–2 T–2nd W Bluebonnet 19 1988 David McWilliams 4–7 2–5 T–4th 1989 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–4th 1990 David McWilliams 10–2 8–0 1st L Cotton 11 12 1991 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–5th 1992 John Mackovic 6–5 4–3 T–2nd 1993 John Mackovic 5–5–1 5–2 T–2nd 1994 John Mackovic 8–4 4–3 T–1st W Sun 23 25 1995 John Mackovic 10–2–1 7–0 1st L Sugar 14 14 Big 12 Conference (1996–present) 1996 John Mackovic 8–5 6–2 1st (South) L Fiesta 23 23 1997 John Mackovic 4–7 2–6 T–4th (South) 1998 Mack Brown 9–3 6–2 2nd (South) W Cotton 16 15 1999 Mack Brown 9–5 6–2 1st (South) L Cotton 23 21 2000 Mack Brown 9–3 7–1 2nd (South) L Holiday 12 12 2001 Mack Brown 11–2 7–1 T–1st (South) W Holiday 5 5 2002 Mack Brown 11–2 6–2 T–1st (South) W Cotton 7 6 2003 Mack Brown 10–3 7–1 2nd (South) L Holiday 11 12 2004 Mack Brown 11–1 7–1 2nd (South) W Rose† 4 5 2005 Mack Brown 13–0 8–0 1st W Rose† 1 1 2006 Mack Brown 10–3 6–2 2nd (South) W Alamo 13 13 2007 Mack Brown 10–3 5–3 2nd (South) W Holiday 10 10 2008 Mack Brown 12–1 7–1 T–1st (South) W Fiesta† 3 4 2009 Mack Brown 13–1 8–0 1st (South) L BCS National Championship Game† 2 2 2010 Mack Brown 5–7 2–6 6th (South) 2011 Mack Brown 8–5 4–5 T–6th W Holiday 2012 Mack Brown 9–4 5–4 T–3rd W Alamo 18 19 2013 Mack Brown 8–5 7–2 T–2nd L Alamo 2014 Charlie Strong 6–7 5–4 T–6th L Texas 2015 Charlie Strong 5–7 4–5 T–5th 2016 Charlie Strong 5–7 3–6 T–6th 2017 Tom Herman 7–6 5–4 T–4th W Texas 2018 Tom Herman 10–4 7–2 2nd W Sugar† 9 9 2019 Tom Herman 8–5 5–4 T–3rd W Alamo 25 2020 Tom Herman 7–3 5–3 3rd W Alamo 20 19 2021 Steve Sarkisian 5-7 3-6 7th Total: 927–384–33 National championship Conference title Conference division title or championship game berth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: @WETSU, in the past we’ve discussed the historical success or lack thereof of the Longhorns. You’ve stated you believe the run from roughly 2000 through 2010 as being much more lofty than the norm UT has experienced over its history, and I’ve always contended it really wasn’t that much different. I submit this bit of info as exhibit A that UT has experienced much more success than failure: In 2009, ESPN ranked Texas as the seventh-most prestigious college football program since 1936.[8] In 2012, the football program was valued at $805 million,[9] more than the calculated value of several NFL teams.[citation needed] Texas is known for their post-season appearances, ranking second in number of bowl game appearances (55),[10] fourth in bowl game victories (29), most Southwest Conference football championships (27), and most Cotton Bowl Classic appearances[11] and victories. Other NCAA records include 108 winning seasons out of 122 total seasons, 24 seasons with 10 or more wins, 9 undefeated seasons, and 26 seasons with at most one loss or tie. From 1936 to 2012, the Longhorns football teams have been in the AP or coaches' rankings 66 out of 76 seasons (86.8% of the time), finishing those seasons ranked in the top twenty-five 48 times and the top ten 28 times. Texas claims four Division I-A national championships (1963, 1969, 1970 and 2005) and 32 conference championships (3 Big 12 Conference, 27 Southwest Conference, and 2 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association). I never said they typically experienced failure…. But in no other stretch did they ever win as many games in a decade. No other time in history have they put together that sort of run. My comments have always been geared towards Texas fans who think this stretch is some oddity that’s never happened before and the Mack times were the norm. That’s not true. Texas has had about what they are experiencing now from about 1974-2000 until Mack came. That stretch has been similar to what Texas is doing now. Mostly 8 win seasons, a couple sugar bowl type seasons sprinkled in along with a couple of 5-7 type seasons as well. And there’s no shame in that. It’s still better than 95% of college football teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, WETSU said: I never said they typically experienced failure…. But in no other stretch did they ever win as many games in a decade. No other time in history have they put together that sort of run. My comments have always been geared towards Texas fans who think this stretch is some oddity that’s never happened before and the Mack times were the norm. That’s not true. Texas has had about what they are experiencing now from about 1974-2000 until Mack came. That stretch has been similar to what Texas is doing now. Mostly 8 win seasons, a couple sugar bowl type seasons sprinkled in along with a couple of 5-7 type seasons as well. And there’s no shame in that. It’s still better than 95% of college football teams. I hear you, and do agree with you to a sizable degree. I think I may view the W/L record with a slightly more favorable opinion of it than you, but when you look at it there are a number of 5 win seasons in there. I don’t think we’re far off on opinions here, just a little bit. I feel UT has always had runs of really good success and then runs of mediocrity and a few bad years sprinkled in. I actually do agree with you that the Mack Brown Era is quite arguably the longest run of sustained great success in the program’s history. Obviously, the other contender is DKR himself, and even had the 1965-1967 stretch of subpar years, but then went back to winning big. W/L 1974-2000 207 wins 107 losses 5 ties I think I added that up correctly. 1974 Darrell Royal 8–4 5–2 T–2nd L Gator T–17 1975 Darrell Royal 10–2 6–1 T–1st W Bluebonnet 7 6 1976 Darrell Royal 5–5–1 4–4 5th 1977 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 4 1978 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 T–2nd W Sun 9 9 1979 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 3rd L Sun 13 12 1980 Fred Akers 7–5 4–4 T–4th L Bluebonnet 1981 Fred Akers 10–1–1 6–1–1 2nd W Cotton 4 2 1982 Fred Akers 9–3 7–1 2nd L Sun 18 17 1983 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 5 1984 Fred Akers 7–4–1 5–3 T–3rd L Freedom 1985 Fred Akers 8–4 6–2 T–2nd L Bluebonnet 1986 Fred Akers 5–6 4–4 5th 1987 David McWilliams 7–5 5–2 T–2nd W Bluebonnet 19 1988 David McWilliams 4–7 2–5 T–4th 1989 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–4th 1990 David McWilliams 10–2 8–0 1st L Cotton 11 12 1991 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–5th 1992 John Mackovic 6–5 4–3 T–2nd 1993 John Mackovic 5–5–1 5–2 T–2nd 1994 John Mackovic 8–4 4–3 T–1st W Sun 23 25 1995 John Mackovic 10–2–1 7–0 1st L Sugar 14 14 Big 12 Conference (1996–present) 1996 John Mackovic 8–5 6–2 1st (South) L Fiesta 23 23 1997 John Mackovic 4–7 2–6 T–4th (South) 1998 Mack Brown 9–3 6–2 2nd (South) W Cotton 16 15 1999 Mack Brown 9–5 6–2 1st (South) L Cotton 23 21 2000 Mack Brown 9–3 7–1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Royal was at Texas for twenty years. Brown was at Texas for sixteen years. So, close enough to just add up the wins and losses to compare. Royal 178 wins 47 losses 5 ties 20 seasons Brown 158 wins 48 losses 0 ties 16 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: Royal was at Texas for twenty years. Brown was at Texas for sixteen years. So, close enough to just add up the wins and losses to compare. Royal 178 wins 47 losses 5 ties 20 seasons Brown 158 wins 48 losses 0 ties 16 seasons Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, WETSU said: Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. I honestly think Saban finally found the place he could become a dominant coach. Bama was willing to skirt the rules before NIL. They were buying players for years now. Saban was merely mortal at Michigan State. Had a decent run at LSU, where also they were on Willie Lyle’s speed dial for recruits. It a lot easier to win big when you’re getting loaded rosters like he’s had bought for him. Is he a great coach? Absolutely!!!! But don’t act like he’s been given a turd and turned it into a titanic all by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, WETSU said: Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. Correct, I was comparing the other best performing coach, because you pointed out the Brown Era as the best run ever. I believe it or Royal’s years are the best, so that’s why I posted Royal’s W/L record for us to reference. There are definitely some mediocre coaches in UT’s history, but review the Akers Era; lots of wins during those years too. I do think Alabama will slide back when Saban is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 David McWilliams had one good year, the rest of the time he sucked!! HAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 11 hours ago, WETSU said: Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. I don't agree with this at all. I think, as I've said on multiple occasions in the past, Saban landed in the perfect place in Alabama, for both he and the program. Yes, he won 1 at LSU. I also contribute that more to the fact things simply fell LSU's way that year. Similar to Ed Orgeron. Saban spent 5 years at Michigan State. He never even won a bowl game, let alone come close to a championship. Heck, He only finished higher than 5th in the conference once (3rd), and that was the year that he said he wasn't leaving to take the LSU job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 How much actual coaching has Saban actually done in recent years? .... My guess is very little .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, KirtFalcon said: How much actual coaching has Saban actually done in recent years? .... My guess is very little .... HCs don’t need to do much of it. The best HC’s hire the best assistants and make themselves look good. Saban is pretty hands on with the DBs though. Always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Lobo97 said: I don't agree with this at all. I think, as I've said on multiple occasions in the past, Saban landed in the perfect place in Alabama, for both he and the program. Yes, he won 1 at LSU. I also contribute that more to the fact things simply fell LSU's way that year. Similar to Ed Orgeron. Saban spent 5 years at Michigan State. He never even won a bowl game, let alone come close to a championship. Heck, He only finished higher than 5th in the conference once (3rd), and that was the year that he said he wasn't leaving to take the LSU job. I would agree with that, except has any other coach in the game managed to survive the assistant turnover Saban has every year or two and still continue to produce? Most other HC that has done very well over a prolong period had a coordinator that was with them for a very long time in successful coaching standards. Mack had Davis (regardless how he did at the end) Dabo had Venables, Paterno a had Sandusky etc. There hasn’t been many HCs that have had a sustained level of success, much less the type Saban has had, with high coaching turnover. Saban has done it and has made every coach that comes his way go from looking like they might have their careers over to looking like excellent coaches. There’s definitely something to that… I don’t disagree with your argument about Saban completely and can certainly see where you’re coming from. I just think Sabans ability to adapt to change is what would make him successful at just about anywhere. Would he be Bama level probably not, but he’s a guy that could be a contender every year similar to what Mack was no matter where he went imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I hope Arch lives up to the hype...but his highschool highlights do not make me go "Wow!" the way Trevor Lawrences did. Without the Manning name I suspect he would be more like a high 3* rather than a 5*. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 My guess is he never wins the starting QB job as long as Ewers is on the roster .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, KirtFalcon said: My guess is he never wins the starting QB job as long as Ewers is on the roster .... I agree with this. It’s interesting because I feel like this is a situation where both guys are being told they are the guy when being recruited. This is going to end a lot like Kyler/Kyle Allen imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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