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28 minutes ago, Hookemhorns88 said:

All that Colt did was win games with his limited talent. He has been in the NFL for longer than the average player.

Colt is a winner no doubt about that. I also think he has a really good work ethic and is a great teammate. He is the perfect backup QB for the nfl. Good enough to come in and play in a pinch for a couple of weeks, not selfish enough to be a locker room distraction and not a guy that you have to worry about being stolen away as a starter so you can pay him a respectable and reasonable salary for his role and it doesn’t impact your ability to sign other players. 
 

I’ve got nothing but respect for Colt. 

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20 hours ago, WETSU said:

Colt is a winner no doubt about that. I also think he has a really good work ethic and is a great teammate. He is the perfect backup QB for the nfl. 

The same can be said for Sam. No one thought he would stick on an NFL roster in his first year. One year does not make a career, but Indy seemed to value his intangibles as a leader. 

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13 hours ago, Lobo97 said:

Texas lands commitment from 4* DT, Sydir Mitchell. Dude is a beast, 6’5, 355 lbs

This is the type player that in the last 10 or so years that turns into a stud at Alabama/Georgia but is so so at Texas -- a 4 star that is not ranked at the top of his class at his position, but in the 2nd tier, walking on campus wherever he chooses with the size already there............Here is hoping he sticks with the Horns, and is a complete stud.

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https://www.burntorangenation.com/2022/7/7/23198643/texas-longhorns-football-uniforms-2022

New tweaks to the uniforms. For those that dont want to read - Longhorn logo is removed from the neck and numbers on shoulders are gone.

From what I remember they were trying to go with a little bit darker orange. Hard to tell in the photo because it's highly edited, but glad to see the unis not look so clustered.

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@WETSU, in the past we’ve discussed the historical success or lack thereof of the Longhorns.

You’ve stated you believe the run from roughly 2000 through 2010 as being much more lofty than the norm UT has experienced over its history, and I’ve always contended it really wasn’t that much different.

I submit this bit of info as exhibit A that UT has experienced much more success than failure:

In 2009, ESPN ranked Texas as the seventh-most prestigious college football program since 1936.[8] In 2012, the football program was valued at $805 million,[9] more than the calculated value of several NFL teams.[citation needed] Texas is known for their post-season appearances, ranking second in number of bowl game appearances (55),[10] fourth in bowl game victories (29), most Southwest Conference football championships (27), and most Cotton Bowl Classic appearances[11] and victories. Other NCAA records include 108 winning seasons out of 122 total seasons, 24 seasons with 10 or more wins, 9 undefeated seasons, and 26 seasons with at most one loss or tie. From 1936 to 2012, the Longhorns football teams have been in the AP or coaches' rankings 66 out of 76 seasons (86.8% of the time), finishing those seasons ranked in the top twenty-five 48 times and the top ten 28 times. Texas claims four Division I-A national championships (1963, 1969, 1970 and 2005) and 32 conference championships (3 Big 12 Conference, 27 Southwest Conference, and 2 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association).

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The full list:

Year Coach Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Independent  (1893–1895)
1893 Albert Lefevra 4–0          
1894 R.D. Wentworth 6–1          
1895 Frank Crawford 5–0          
Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association  (1896–1906)
1896 Harry Robinson 4–2–1 1–1 T–5th      
1897 W.F. Kelly 6–2 0–0 T–5th      
1898 D.F. Edwards 5–1 0–1 T–9th      
1899 M.G. Clarke 6–2 3–2 7th      
1900 S.H. Thompson 6–0 1–0 4th      
1901 S.H. Thompson 8–2–1 0–0 7th      
1902 J.B. Hart 6–3–1 4–1 4th      
1903 Ralph Hutchinson 5–1–2 0–0–1 8th      
1904 Ralph Hutchinson 5–4 1–0 3rd      
1905 Ralph Hutchinson 5–4 2–1 4th      
1906 H.R. Schenker 9–1 1–1 7th      
Independent  (1907–1908)
1907 W.E. Metzenthin 6–1–1          
1908 W.E. Metzenthin 5–4          
Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association  (1909–1914)
1909 Dexter Draper 4–3–1          
1910 W.S. Wasmund 6–2          
1911 Dave Allerdice 5–2          
1912 Dave Allerdice 7–1          
1913 Dave Allerdice 7–1          
1914 Dave Allerdice 8–0          
Southwest Conference  (1915–1995)
1915 Dave Allerdice 6–3 2–2 T–3rd      
1916 Eugene Van Gent 7–2 5–1 1st      
1917 Bill Juneau 4–4 2–3 4th      
1918 Bill Juneau 9–0 4–0 1st      
1919 Bill Juneau 6–3 3–2 4th      
1920 Berry Whitaker 9–0 5–0 1st      
1921 Berry Whitaker 6–1–1 1–0–1 2nd      
1922 Berry Whitaker 7–2 2–1 2nd      
1923 E.J. Stewart 8–0–1 2–0–1 2nd      
1924 E.J. Stewart 5–3–1 2–3 6th      
1925 E.J. Stewart 6–2–1 2–1–1 2nd      
1926 E.J. Stewart 5–4 2–2 T–3rd      
1927 Clyde Littlefield 6–2–1 2–2–1 4th      
1928 Clyde Littlefield 7–2 5–1 1st      
1929 Clyde Littlefield 5–2–2 2–2–2 T–4th      
1930 Clyde Littlefield 8–1–1 4–1 1st      
1931 Clyde Littlefield 6–4 2–3 5th      
1932 Clyde Littlefield 8–2 5–1 2nd      
1933 Clyde Littlefield 4–5–2 2–3–1 5th      
1934 Jack Chevigny 7–2–1 4–1–1 2nd      
1935 Jack Chevigny 4–6 1–5 T–6th      
1936 Jack Chevigny 2–6–1 1–5 T–6th      
1937 Dana X. Bible 2–6–1 1–5 7th      
1938 Dana X. Bible 1–8 1–5 T–6th      
1939 Dana X. Bible 5–4 3–3 4th      
1940 Dana X. Bible 8–2 4–2 T–3rd      
1941 Dana X. Bible 8–1–1 4–1–1 T–2nd     4
1942 Dana X. Bible 9–2 5–1 1st W Cotton   11
1943 Dana X. Bible 7–1–1 5–0 1st T Cotton   14
1944 Dana X. Bible 5–4 3–2 2nd      
1945 Dana X. Bible 10–1 5–1 1st W Cotton   10
1946 Dana X. Bible 8–2 4–2 3rd     15
1947 Blair Cherry 10–1 5–1 2nd W Sugar   5
1948 Blair Cherry 7–3–1 2–1–1 2nd W Orange    
1949 Blair Cherry 6–4 3–3 T–3rd      
1950 Blair Cherry 9–2 6–0 1st L Cotton 4 3
1951 Ed Price 7–3 3–3 T–3rd      
1952 Ed Price 9–2 6–0 1st W Cotton 11 10
1953 Ed Price 7–3 5–1 T–1st      
1954 Ed Price 4–5–1 2–3–1 5th      
1955 Ed Price 5–5 4–2 3rd      
1956 Ed Price 1–9 0–6 7th      
1957 Darrell Royal 6–4–1 4–1–1 2nd L Sugar 11 11
1958 Darrell Royal 7–3 3–3 4th      
1959 Darrell Royal 9–2 5–1 T–1st L Cotton 4 4
1960 Darrell Royal 7–3–1 5–2 T–2nd T Bluebonnet 17  
1961 Darrell Royal 10–1 6–1 T–1st W Cotton 4 3
1962 Darrell Royal 9–1–1 6–0–1 1st L Cotton 4 4
1963 Darrell Royal 11–0 7–0 1st W Cotton 1 1
1964 Darrell Royal 10–1 6–1 2nd W Orange 5 5
1965 Darrell Royal 6–4 3–4 T–4th      
1966 Darrell Royal 7–4 5–2 2nd W Bluebonnet    
1967 Darrell Royal 6–4 4–3 T–3rd      
1968 Darrell Royal 9–1–1 6–1 T–1st W Cotton 5 3
1969 Darrell Royal 11–0 7–0 1st W Cotton 1 1
1970 Darrell Royal 10–1 7–0 1st L Cotton 1 3
1971 Darrell Royal 8–3 6–1 1st L Cotton 12 18
1972 Darrell Royal 10–1 7–1 1st W Cotton 5 3
1973 Darrell Royal 8–3 7–0 1st L Cotton 8 14
1974 Darrell Royal 8–4 5–2 T–2nd L Gator   T–17
1975 Darrell Royal 10–2 6–1 T–1st W Bluebonnet 7 6
1976 Darrell Royal 5–5–1 4–4 5th      
1977 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 4
1978 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 T–2nd W Sun 9 9
1979 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 3rd L Sun 13 12
1980 Fred Akers 7–5 4–4 T–4th L Bluebonnet    
1981 Fred Akers 10–1–1 6–1–1 2nd W Cotton 4 2
1982 Fred Akers 9–3 7–1 2nd L Sun 18 17
1983 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 5
1984 Fred Akers 7–4–1 5–3 T–3rd L Freedom    
1985 Fred Akers 8–4 6–2 T–2nd L Bluebonnet    
1986 Fred Akers 5–6 4–4 5th      
1987 David McWilliams 7–5 5–2 T–2nd W Bluebonnet 19  
1988 David McWilliams 4–7 2–5 T–4th      
1989 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–4th      
1990 David McWilliams 10–2 8–0 1st L Cotton 11 12
1991 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–5th      
1992 John Mackovic 6–5 4–3 T–2nd      
1993 John Mackovic 5–5–1 5–2 T–2nd      
1994 John Mackovic 8–4 4–3 T–1st W Sun 23 25
1995 John Mackovic 10–2–1 7–0 1st L Sugar 14 14
Big 12 Conference  (1996–present)
1996 John Mackovic 8–5 6–2 1st (South) L Fiesta 23 23
1997 John Mackovic 4–7 2–6 T–4th (South)      
1998 Mack Brown 9–3 6–2 2nd (South) W Cotton 16 15
1999 Mack Brown 9–5 6–2 1st (South) L Cotton 23 21
2000 Mack Brown 9–3 7–1 2nd (South) L Holiday 12 12
2001 Mack Brown 11–2 7–1 T–1st (South) W Holiday 5 5
2002 Mack Brown 11–2 6–2 T–1st (South) W Cotton 7 6
2003 Mack Brown 10–3 7–1 2nd (South) L Holiday 11 12
2004 Mack Brown 11–1 7–1 2nd (South) W Rose 4 5
2005 Mack Brown 13–0 8–0 1st W Rose 1 1
2006 Mack Brown 10–3 6–2 2nd (South) W Alamo 13 13
2007 Mack Brown 10–3 5–3 2nd (South) W Holiday 10 10
2008 Mack Brown 12–1 7–1 T–1st (South) W Fiesta 3 4
2009 Mack Brown 13–1 8–0 1st (South) L BCS National Championship Game 2 2
2010 Mack Brown 5–7 2–6 6th (South)      
2011 Mack Brown 8–5 4–5 T–6th W Holiday    
2012 Mack Brown 9–4 5–4 T–3rd W Alamo 18 19
2013 Mack Brown 8–5 7–2 T–2nd L Alamo    
2014 Charlie Strong 6–7 5–4 T–6th L Texas    
2015 Charlie Strong 5–7 4–5 T–5th      
2016 Charlie Strong 5–7 3–6 T–6th      
2017 Tom Herman 7–6 5–4 T–4th W Texas    
2018 Tom Herman 10–4 7–2 2nd W Sugar 9 9
2019 Tom Herman 8–5 5–4 T–3rd W Alamo   25
2020 Tom Herman 7–3 5–3 3rd W Alamo 20 19
2021 Steve Sarkisian 5-7 3-6 7th      
Total: 927–384–33  
      National championship         Conference title         Conference division title or championship game berth
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30 minutes ago, HearEmaGrowlin said:

@WETSU, in the past we’ve discussed the historical success or lack thereof of the Longhorns.

You’ve stated you believe the run from roughly 2000 through 2010 as being much more lofty than the norm UT has experienced over its history, and I’ve always contended it really wasn’t that much different.

I submit this bit of info as exhibit A that UT has experienced much more success than failure:

In 2009, ESPN ranked Texas as the seventh-most prestigious college football program since 1936.[8] In 2012, the football program was valued at $805 million,[9] more than the calculated value of several NFL teams.[citation needed] Texas is known for their post-season appearances, ranking second in number of bowl game appearances (55),[10] fourth in bowl game victories (29), most Southwest Conference football championships (27), and most Cotton Bowl Classic appearances[11] and victories. Other NCAA records include 108 winning seasons out of 122 total seasons, 24 seasons with 10 or more wins, 9 undefeated seasons, and 26 seasons with at most one loss or tie. From 1936 to 2012, the Longhorns football teams have been in the AP or coaches' rankings 66 out of 76 seasons (86.8% of the time), finishing those seasons ranked in the top twenty-five 48 times and the top ten 28 times. Texas claims four Division I-A national championships (1963, 1969, 1970 and 2005) and 32 conference championships (3 Big 12 Conference, 27 Southwest Conference, and 2 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association).

I never said they typically experienced failure…. But in no other stretch did they ever win as many games in a decade. No other time in history have they put together that sort of run. 
 

My comments have always been geared towards Texas fans who think this stretch is some oddity that’s never happened before and the Mack times were the norm. That’s not true. Texas has had about what they are experiencing now from about 1974-2000 until Mack came. That stretch has been similar to what Texas is doing now. Mostly 8 win seasons, a couple sugar bowl type seasons sprinkled in along with a couple of 5-7 type seasons as well. And there’s no shame in that. It’s still better than 95% of college football teams. 

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9 minutes ago, WETSU said:

I never said they typically experienced failure…. But in no other stretch did they ever win as many games in a decade. No other time in history have they put together that sort of run. 
 

My comments have always been geared towards Texas fans who think this stretch is some oddity that’s never happened before and the Mack times were the norm. That’s not true. Texas has had about what they are experiencing now from about 1974-2000 until Mack came. That stretch has been similar to what Texas is doing now. Mostly 8 win seasons, a couple sugar bowl type seasons sprinkled in along with a couple of 5-7 type seasons as well. And there’s no shame in that. It’s still better than 95% of college football teams. 

I hear you, and do agree with you to a sizable degree. I think I may view the W/L record with a slightly more favorable opinion of it than you, but when you look at it there are a number of 5 win seasons in there. 😬

I don’t think we’re far off on opinions here, just a little bit. I feel UT has always had runs of really good success and then runs of mediocrity and a few bad years sprinkled in.

I actually do agree with you that the Mack Brown Era is quite arguably the longest run of sustained great success in the program’s history.

Obviously, the other contender is DKR himself, and even had the 1965-1967 stretch of subpar years, but then went back to winning big. 

W/L 1974-2000

207 wins

107 losses

5 ties

I think I added that up correctly.

 

1974 Darrell Royal 8–4 5–2 T–2nd L Gator   T–17
1975 Darrell Royal 10–2 6–1 T–1st W Bluebonnet 7 6
1976 Darrell Royal 5–5–1 4–4 5th      
1977 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 4
1978 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 T–2nd W Sun 9 9
1979 Fred Akers 9–3 6–2 3rd L Sun 13 12
1980 Fred Akers 7–5 4–4 T–4th L Bluebonnet    
1981 Fred Akers 10–1–1 6–1–1 2nd W Cotton 4 2
1982 Fred Akers 9–3 7–1 2nd L Sun 18 17
1983 Fred Akers 11–1 8–0 1st L Cotton 5 5
1984 Fred Akers 7–4–1 5–3 T–3rd L Freedom    
1985 Fred Akers 8–4 6–2 T–2nd L Bluebonnet    
1986 Fred Akers 5–6 4–4 5th      
1987 David McWilliams 7–5 5–2 T–2nd W Bluebonnet 19  
1988 David McWilliams 4–7 2–5 T–4th      
1989 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–4th      
1990 David McWilliams 10–2 8–0 1st L Cotton 11 12
1991 David McWilliams 5–6 4–4 T–5th      
1992 John Mackovic 6–5 4–3 T–2nd      
1993 John Mackovic 5–5–1 5–2 T–2nd      
1994 John Mackovic 8–4 4–3 T–1st W Sun 23 25
1995 John Mackovic 10–2–1 7–0 1st L Sugar 14 14
Big 12 Conference  (1996–present)
1996 John Mackovic 8–5 6–2 1st (South) L Fiesta 23 23
1997 John Mackovic 4–7 2–6 T–4th (South)      
1998 Mack Brown 9–3 6–2 2nd (South) W Cotton 16 15
1999 Mack Brown 9–5 6–2 1st (South) L Cotton 23 21
2000 Mack Brown 9–3 7–1
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1 hour ago, HearEmaGrowlin said:

Royal was at Texas for twenty years.

Brown was at Texas for sixteen years.

So, close enough to just add up the wins and losses to compare.

Royal

178 wins

47 losses

5 ties

20 seasons

Brown

158 wins

48 losses

0 ties 

16 seasons

Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? 
 

Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. 

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19 minutes ago, WETSU said:

Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? 
 

Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. 

I honestly think Saban finally found the place he could become a dominant coach.  Bama was willing to skirt the rules before NIL.  They were buying players for years now. Saban was merely mortal at Michigan State.  Had a decent run at LSU, where also they were on Willie Lyle’s speed dial for recruits.  It a lot easier to win big when you’re getting loaded rosters like he’s had bought for him.  Is he a great coach?  Absolutely!!!!  But don’t act like he’s been given a turd and turned it into a titanic all by himself.  

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23 minutes ago, WETSU said:

Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? 
 

Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. 

Correct, I was comparing the other best performing coach, because you pointed out the Brown Era as the best run ever.

I believe it or Royal’s years are the best, so that’s why I posted Royal’s W/L record for us to reference. 

There are definitely some mediocre coaches in UT’s history, but review the Akers Era; lots of wins during those years too. 
I do think Alabama will slide back when Saban is gone.

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11 hours ago, WETSU said:

Texas has had 11 coaches since WWII. You’re comparing the best two. That leaves 9 other coaches that were not on that level. Those other 9 were “normal” or “average” or “mediocre” whichever word doesn’t offend lol. My point is that guys like Mack and DKR are not the “normal” for Texas. They are the elite. Just like Saban isn’t Bama’s normal. Do you think when Saban is gone Bama is just gonna do what they have been under him forever? 
 

Texas could have a decade of success under sark. They could be mediocre under sark. Nothing is guaranteed in the future. It takes everything falling just right to win. Herman wasn’t lying when he said it. Winning is hard, and only the elite few COACHES not programs are going to have the ability to do it. I truly believe you could put Saban anywhere in a power 5 conference and he’d win one given enough time. But I believe you could give the reigns of Bama to any one of the active coaches in FBS and only a handful even sniff a title. 

I don't agree with this at all. I think, as I've said on multiple occasions in the past, Saban landed in the perfect place in Alabama, for both he and the program. Yes, he won 1 at LSU. I also contribute that more to the fact things simply fell LSU's way that year. Similar to Ed Orgeron. 

Saban spent 5 years at Michigan State. He never even won a bowl game, let alone come close to a championship. Heck, He only finished higher than 5th in the conference once (3rd), and that was the year that he said he wasn't leaving to take the LSU job. 

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1 hour ago, KirtFalcon said:

How much actual coaching has Saban actually done in recent years? .... My guess is very little ....

HCs don’t need to do much of it. The best HC’s hire the best assistants and make themselves look good. 
 

Saban is pretty hands on with the DBs though. Always has been. 

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2 hours ago, Lobo97 said:

I don't agree with this at all. I think, as I've said on multiple occasions in the past, Saban landed in the perfect place in Alabama, for both he and the program. Yes, he won 1 at LSU. I also contribute that more to the fact things simply fell LSU's way that year. Similar to Ed Orgeron. 

Saban spent 5 years at Michigan State. He never even won a bowl game, let alone come close to a championship. Heck, He only finished higher than 5th in the conference once (3rd), and that was the year that he said he wasn't leaving to take the LSU job. 

I would agree with that, except has any other coach in the game managed to survive the assistant turnover Saban has every year or two and still continue to produce? Most other HC that has done very well over a prolong period had a coordinator that was with them for a very long time in successful coaching standards. Mack had Davis (regardless how he did at the end) Dabo had Venables, Paterno a had Sandusky etc. There hasn’t been many HCs that have had a sustained level of success, much less the type Saban has had, with high coaching turnover. Saban has done it and has made every coach that comes his way go from looking like they might have their careers over to looking like excellent coaches. There’s definitely something to that… 

I don’t disagree with your argument about Saban completely and can certainly see where you’re coming from. I just think Sabans ability to adapt to change is what would make him successful at just about anywhere. Would he be Bama level probably not, but he’s a guy that could be a contender every year similar to what Mack was no matter where he went imo. 

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1 hour ago, KirtFalcon said:

My guess is he never wins the starting QB job as long as Ewers is on the roster ....

I agree with this. It’s interesting because I feel like this is a situation where both guys are being told they are the guy when being recruited. This is going to end a lot like Kyler/Kyle Allen imo. 

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