BarryLaverty Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 So, here's another negative stink bomb impact of trying to control what is taught in our schools. https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-schools-could-lose-ap-000848691.html High schools could lose AP classes if they ban ‘required topics’ from being taught Scott Stump Fri, March 4, 2022, 6:08 PM 0:26 5:08 Bob Odenkirk opens up about 'heart incident' on set of 'Better Call Saul' As a host of state legislatures and school districts across the country vote to ban certain books and subjects from being taught in schools, the College Board announced in a new statement of principles this week that any high schools that ban "required topics" in their Advanced Placement classes could lose AP designation. That means a ban on any AP materials required by The College Board, a nonprofit that oversees the SAT and the AP program, could mean a school losing specific AP classes. The amount of AP classes offered is often factored in by parents when weighing the quality of a high school, and colleges and universities weigh how many AP classes a student took during the admissions process. Having AP classes lose their designation would also remove the opportunity for high school students to earn college credits in those subjects by scoring high on AP exams. "If a school bans required topics from their AP courses, the AP Program removes the AP designation from that course and its inclusion in the AP Course Ledger provided to colleges and universities," Zach Goldberg, executive director of media relations for The College Board, told TODAY in an email. In a section titled "What AP Stands For" on its website, AP writes that it "opposes censorship." "AP is animated by a deep respect for the intellectual freedom of teachers and students alike," the statement reads. "If a school bans required topics from their AP courses, the AP Program removes the AP designation from that course and its inclusion in the AP Course Ledger provided to colleges and universities. "For example, the concepts of evolution are at the heart of college biology, and a course that neglects such concepts does not pass muster as AP Biology." Goldberg did not comment on whether schools in states like Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Tennessee, which have passed bills banning teaching about race, could potentially lose AP designation in subjects like English or history for not teaching the required topics in an AP course. Related: Here’s what Black students have to say about ‘critical race theory’ bans The College Board gives schools and AP teachers "a framework" of course materials to design their courses and prepare students for the content of the AP exam, according to Goldberg. The AP program determines the framework by collecting syllabi from colleges nationwide and then convening a committee of "leading scholars and educators in their field" to aggregate the syllabi and create "a non-partisan framework reflecting the content of a corresponding college-level course," Goldberg said. The College Board determines whether a school is properly following the framework of an AP class through an annual audit process conducted by college professors across the country. "They review the school’s AP curricula to ensure that the content includes the level of rigor (specific topics and skills) that colleges require for courses labeled 'AP,'" Golberg said. "Once a course is authorized, it is listed in the AP Course Ledger — the official list of all AP courses — so colleges and universities can verify what they see on student transcripts." Related: How important is it to take AP classes for college admissions? Goldberg noted that it's "rare" for a school to lose an AP designation. The College Board also wrote in its statement of principles that AP stands for clarity and transparency because "confusion about what is permitted in the classroom disrupts teachers and students as they navigate demanding work." It also says it "opposes indoctrination." "AP students are expected to analyze different perspectives from their own, and no points on an AP Exam are awarded for agreement with a viewpoint," the statement reads. "AP students are not required to feel certain ways about themselves or the course content. AP courses instead develop students’ abilities to assess the credibility of sources, draw conclusions, and make up their own minds." The principles, which were first reported by independent journalist Judd Legum for his Popular Information newsletter, come amid a climate in which many Republican state lawmakers have pushed bills to ban certain books as well teaching about race or racism, as well as LGBTQ+ issues. One of those lawmakers, Indiana House Speaker Todd Huston, was a senior vice president for The College Board for nearly a decade before stepping down earlier this month to focus on his political duties, according to The Indianapolis Star. Huston voted in favor of an Indiana bill that prohibits teachers from promoting certain “divisive concepts" involving sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, national origin or political affiliation. This isn't the first time that The College Board's framework for AP courses has been in the spotlight. In 2015, it changed its course guide and framework for AP U.S. History for a "clearer and more balanced approach" after a backlash to its 2014 guidelines, according to The Washington Post. The framework had come under fire from prominent conservatives as well as the Republican National Committee, which said in a resolution that it “emphasizes negative aspects of our nation’s history while omitting or minimizing positive aspects," according to The Washington Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 So are you for schools mandating that the Bible be taught in public schools? The Supreme Court banned school mandated Bible readings and prayer in 1963. So have you been against this ruling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, trashyhound said: So are you for schools mandating that the Bible be taught in public schools? The Supreme Court banned school mandated Bible readings and prayer in 1963. So have you been against this ruling? That's a weird leap, One Trick. Please elaborate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloppyJoe Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 The Bible is a historically proven document while CRT is a rainbow slanted fantasy wish list of accusations which claims all slave owners were white supremacist and Indians were like a single unified nation which never battled each other or no one but anglo immigrants. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, SloppyJoe said: The Bible is a historically proven document while CRT is a rainbow slanted fantasy wish list of accusations which claims all slave owners were white supremacist and Indians were like a single unified nation which never battled each other or no one but anglo immigrants. Again, what???? And, not getting into historical proof of the Bible, but you are just making things up about CRT, not that's it relevant because it isn't taught. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 47 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: Again, what???? And, not getting into historical proof of the Bible, but you are just making things up about CRT, not that's it relevant because it isn't taught. Isn’t CRT completely made up??? I believe it is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, BarryLaverty said: That's a weird leap, One Trick. Please elaborate. You seem to be against banning books, just curious if you feel the same about the Bible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osup116 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: Isn’t CRT completely made up??? I believe it is Never seen arguing against CRT using Bible - pretty impressive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloppyJoe Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, BarryLaverty said: Again, what???? And, not getting into historical proof of the Bible, but you are just making things up about CRT, not that's it relevant because it isn't taught. I 100% agree that CRT isn't relevant while not being forced into schools. I just try to make the point that if the Bible is left outside the schools to avoid biases, so should be the Lefts agenda driven propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 There are actually courses that can be offered in public schools using the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, and I have seen it in English literature many times. Fellowship of Christian Athlete chapters are in most schools, as are many religious affiliated groups. So, yeah, the Bible is all the way there, not to mention a mandated 'moment of silence' every day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osup116 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: There are actually courses that can be offered in public schools using the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, and I have seen it in English literature many times. Fellowship of Christian Athlete chapters are in most schools, as are many religious affiliated groups. So, yeah, the Bible is all the way there, not to mention a mandated 'moment of silence' every day. Don't forget the prayer before finals. Me " Lord I will be looking for 70 today. If you could just help me though that I will be forever grateful " 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: There are actually courses that can be offered in public schools using the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, and I have seen it in English literature many times. Fellowship of Christian Athlete chapters are in most schools, as are many religious affiliated groups. So, yeah, the Bible is all the way there, not to mention a mandated 'moment of silence' every day. Moment of silence took the place of actual prayer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 This is just another move by the left to have CRT taught in public schools. However this could easily be circumvented. Many schools already allow their students to attend Jr. Colleges or Universities while both gaining credits at both. Barry is actually pushing it to be taught at local schools via his fear articles, but all the while claiming that it isn't taught in Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, DB2point0 said: Isn’t CRT completely made up??? I believe it is It's not completely made up, but the facts are presented in a light that are contrary to what the people in the past wrote and what many Historians deem as what happened. It is opinionated History to make all whites of the past as being racist in some form or fashion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, SloppyJoe said: I 100% agree that CRT isn't relevant while not being forced into schools. I just try to make the point that if the Bible is left outside the schools to avoid biases, so should be the Lefts agenda driven propaganda. When I was in High School they offered a Bible class as an elective. Barry is right on this one. They might not at your school district, but many do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, DaveTV1 said: This is just another move by the left to have CRT taught in public schools. However this could easily be circumvented. Many schools already allow their students to attend Jr. Colleges or Universities while both gaining credits at both. Barry is actually pushing it to be taught at local schools via his fear articles, but all the while claiming that it isn't taught in Texas. Nope, wrong again. I am not in charge of College Board. And, AP is much more rigorous than dual credit that you referenced, as if you know what you are talking about. I would actually recommend both for most colleges, but the Ivy League prefers AP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, DB2point0 said: Moment of silence took the place of actual prayer. You don't think people can pray silently and in a personal manner far beyond something rote? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, DB2point0 said: Moment of silence took the place of actual prayer. Yep. The teachers and students can think about/pray about whatever they want. It's a moment of silence. not a "mandated moment of prayer". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: You don't think people can pray silently and in a personal manner far beyond something rote? They could. Sure. It's not mandated, however. They could use that "moment of silence" to think about what they might have going on that day, or focus themselves for a test, or whatever. It's not a "moment of mandated prayer". I'm a bit of a cynic (and you ought to know that), but even I think it's a bit disingenuous to think that the moment of silence is ONLY for people to pray. Some will, certainly, others will not. What do YOU do during the moment of silence, Barry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, Monte1076 said: They could. Sure. It's not mandated, however. They could use that "moment of silence" to think about what they might have going on that day, or focus themselves for a test, or whatever. It's not a "moment of mandated prayer". You would prefer it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: You would prefer it to be? Did I say that? I don't think I did. You're the one implying that a "moment of silence" is a "moment of mandated (Christian, I presume) prayer". Or, as some have put it, "Just a way to sneak prayer into school." MY argument is that the student can use that moment of silence however they choose -- silently and respectfully. That's why it's a "moment of silence". Again, I ask: What do YOU do during the moment of silence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, DaveTV1 said: It's not completely made up, but the facts are presented in a light that are contrary to what the people in the past wrote and what many Historians deem as what happened. It is opinionated History to make all whites of the past as being racist in some form or fashion. So it’s made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: Yep. The teachers and students can think about/pray about whatever they want. It's a moment of silence. not a "mandated moment of prayer". That’s when crap turned south in schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: You don't think people can pray silently and in a personal manner far beyond something rote? I pray all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, BarryLaverty said: Nope, wrong again. I am not in charge of College Board. And, AP is much more rigorous than dual credit that you referenced, as if you know what you are talking about. I would actually recommend both for most colleges, but the Ivy League prefers AP. No, but that's why your pushing for the rubbish to be taught in public schools. You can't fool me, but you will fool a few claiming that not teaching CRT will have students that desire to go to Ivy League schools have to be taught CRT if they want to attend to pad their resume. So you're using subvert scare tactics for most High School students and their parents in Texas that won't even achieve the test scores to go to an Ivy League school. I'd never send a child of mine to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. While I know they could have built many contacts there, what they are teaching is rubbish going back to the late 80's. I'd rather the children of our country be formidable in academics, integrity, and honor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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