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1 hour ago, Footballalltheway said:

Why is that not true?  Being good at it well that’s a different story.  At this point schools are just looking for warm bodies.  You can be crappy coach but still have a positive impact on a kids life if you love on em.  If winning is your number one priority then go coach college or pro.   More importantly if your super’s #1 priority is your record find a different place to coach. 

And, if you aren't winning to some degree or at least being competitive then your opportunities to impact lives go way down, because kids don't want to play for coaches who lose, and coaches who lose repeatedly don't keep jobs for very long.

Me personally, I'm a "pat a kid on the back 100 times" for every time I have to "chew" on them type of coach. But there is ZERO doubt everyday that the sole reason we practice is to get better, so when we compete in the "arena" that we have a chance to win.

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1 minute ago, Footballalltheway said:

Agreed.  What do you think the other things are?

Obviously, IMO, if you aren't teaching them work ethic, responsibility, accountability and unselfishness then you are doing something wrong.

But, teaching kids that losing is ok is just plain wrong. You have to teach kids it's not about what happens to you, it is all about the way you respond. And the way to respond to any adversity is to pick yourself up and go back to work and compete your tail off and come out victorious. That is the essence of athletics. 

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33 minutes ago, Footballalltheway said:

So you think winning and treating kids with respect is mutually exclusive?

 

I went back and reviewed your posts in this thread calling other posters ignorant, how you “know I’m right”, etc.  How you talk to people speaks volumes.  I already know how you would answer the above question so no need to reply.  

"Calling other posters ignorant", What does "ignorant" mean? "Unknowledgeable"? Guilty as charged. 

Where did I say "winning and treating kids with respect is mutually exclusive"? You said "crappy coaches have a positive impact on players as long as they love on em" and that "coaches who want to win should go to college or pro". 

"Your" statement separated coaches who want to "win" from coaches who "love on em". Who exactly, in the posts defined criterion for mutual exclusion?  

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If a coach loves kids there is no way he is a crappy coach.  If you love on kids you will win a lot of games.  Even if you don’t win a lot of games the thing of utmost importance these days is that kids feel loved.  Loving kids ought to be priority number 1.  The reason we are at a shortage of coaches is not enough people want to love kids.  We are in the me generation not the love God, love others generation.  

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It's too bad all these coaches didn't go into other lines of work where we all love our jobs and only work 40 hours a week🤪.

In all seriousness, it's a hard enough job to be a teacher, especially one who cares about kids and their education.  Add to that all that comes with coaching sports, and it's gotta be tough.  But, working for the government is always going to be underpaid and underappreciated (Unless you are in congress or Dr Fauci).  We have allowed them to screw it all up.  We pay plenty of tax dollars to pay our educators good wages, but we blow it all on stupid government required BS.

Best of luck coaches....

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5 hours ago, BuckNut said:

If a coach loves kids there is no way he is a crappy coach.  If you love on kids you will win a lot of games.  Even if you don’t win a lot of games the thing of utmost importance these days is that kids feel loved.  Loving kids ought to be priority number 1.  The reason we are at a shortage of coaches is not enough people want to love kids.  We are in the me generation not the love God, love others generation.  

I would guess lack of pay is a big reason for a coaching shortage....but that's just me

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On 5/19/2022 at 11:28 AM, playactionpass39 said:

What's the point in playing if you aren't focused on winning?

Winning may not be the only thing, but it sure as heck beats losing.

It is called competition for a reason, you have a winner and a loser, I would much rather be the winner.

“Winning isn’t everything, but it beats the hell out of anything that comes in second.” Bear Bryant 

Several nice guy coaches that love on the kids get fired every year. 

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On 5/19/2022 at 10:53 PM, HearEmaGrowlin said:

I disagree. 

Me too. That's the old timers way of thinking. It doesn't have to be like that. Especially with strong leadership at the top with excellent community relations. Everyone working in the same direction for the same goal.

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59 minutes ago, KellyLeak said:

Me too. That's the old timers way of thinking. It doesn't have to be like that. Especially with strong leadership at the top with excellent community relations. Everyone working in the same direction for the same goal.

What universe did you wake up in this morning??? :rofl:

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4 hours ago, RETIREDFAN1 said:

What universe did you wake up in this morning??? :rofl:

I don't understand why it has to be coach/teachers vs the community...? Everyone is working for the same goal. There are communities out there that have this figured out. It takes a group of good people that are louder than the ones that want to be negative. Relationships have to be built. I've seen it happen. 

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1 hour ago, KellyLeak said:

I don't understand why it has to be coach/teachers vs the community...? Everyone is working for the same goal. There are communities out there that have this figured out. It takes a group of good people that are louder than the ones that want to be negative. Relationships have to be built. I've seen it happen. 

Can you give some examples of these communities? Can you name 5 towns that have not made deep runs in the playoffs are not firing coaches for it? 

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7 hours ago, KellyLeak said:

I don't understand why it has to be coach/teachers vs the community...? Everyone is working for the same goal. There are communities out there that have this figured out. It takes a group of good people that are louder than the ones that want to be negative. Relationships have to be built. I've seen it happen. 

No they aren’t. 

Parents care about what is best for their kid. Coaches have to do what is best for the program.

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18 hours ago, mrclean69 said:

Can you give some examples of these communities? Can you name 5 towns that have not made deep runs in the playoffs are not firing coaches for it? 

That have NOT? They aren't on the same page if they're continuously losing. I don't have insider knowledge of these towns, but on the outside, they seem to have it figured out.

Crawford, Franklin, Carthage, Malakoff, Grandview, Pottsboro, Muenster, Blanco, Buna... shall I  keep going?

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12 hours ago, Valhalla said:

No they aren’t. 

Parents care about what is best for their kid. Coaches have to do what is best for the program.

100% agree, no beef with that post. But, there are parents and there are communities that work together. And I believe with enough hard work, a community can go from "not a great place to be," to a winner with a bunch of the same drive and focus channeled into 1 goal. It is possible, and it does happen. See my other post. 

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18 minutes ago, KellyLeak said:

That have NOT? They aren't on the same page if they're continuously losing. I don't have insider knowledge of these towns, but on the outside, they seem to have it figured out.

Crawford, Franklin, Carthage, Malakoff, Grandview, Pottsboro, Muenster, Blanco, Buna... shall I  keep going?

"Buna" has it "figured out"? 

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Listen, I've been in this profession and setting for 15 years... and I know these few things for sure:

1. Winning without any super sketchy ethical concerns will keep you in a job for a very long time.  Even if you are a complete ####.

2. A new coach is usually given 2 years to show positive change.  If it is a complete #### show, you are done by the end of that 2nd season and in some areas, after the 1st, including all of your staff.

3. You will get some love for community involvement, positive reinforcement, changing toxic culture etc, and will likely get plenty of other chances to coach again... but this without wins will land you back on the job market pretty quick.

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3 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

"Buna" has it "figured out"? 

Oh they don't have success in the big 3 sports? So out of 9 schools, you pick off 1 of them? If there isn't any truth in what I'm typing, why only focus on "Buna?"  Quotations go after the punctuation marks...

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Just now, KellyLeak said:

Oh they don't have success in the big 3 sports? So out of 9 schools, you pick off 1 of them? If there isn't any truth in what I'm typing, why only focus on "Buna?"  Quotations go after the punctuation marks...

Focus on whatever you want. Never heard "Buna" and "figured it out" in the same sentence. 

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42 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said:

Listen, I've been in this profession and setting for 15 years... and I know these few things for sure:

1. Winning without any super sketchy ethical concerns will keep you in a job for a very long time.  Even if you are a complete ####.

2. A new coach is usually given 2 years to show positive change.  If it is a complete #### show, you are done by the end of that 2nd season and in some areas, after the 1st, including all of your staff.

3. You will get some love for community involvement, positive reinforcement, changing toxic culture etc, and will likely get plenty of other chances to coach again... but this without wins will land you back on the job market pretty quick.

I agree with all of that. But trying to convince these old geezers that it can be changed, turned around, and made a good environment is next to impossible. 

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Just now, 89Falcon said:

Focus on whatever you want. Never heard "Buna" and "figured it out" in the same sentence. 

Football is probably their worst sport I guess, but they make the playoffs 4 out of every 5 years. They're always in 2nd and 3rd round of basketball playoffs and they're usually really salty in baseball. So.... go practice your dirty bird or something. Quit being pissed at the world.

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Just now, KellyLeak said:

Football is probably their worst sport I guess, but they make the playoffs 4 out of every 5 years. They're always in 2nd and 3rd round of basketball playoffs and they're usually really salty in baseball. So.... go practice your dirty bird or something. Quit being pissed at the world.

Are you speaking in riddles? You drew quite a few conclusions and lodged quite few assumptions. 

A conclusion you did not draw is that "when a program is losing, there is no figuring it out".  Another one is this: "when a program wins, superficial outsiders perceive that they have everything figured out".  

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3 hours ago, KellyLeak said:

That have NOT? They aren't on the same page if they're continuously losing. I don't have insider knowledge of these towns, but on the outside, they seem to have it figured out.

Crawford, Franklin, Carthage, Malakoff, Grandview, Pottsboro, Muenster, Blanco, Buna... shall I  keep going?

We can not argue both that a good coach invests in kids and the community over wins, and state wins is what shows a place has it "figured out". That's the mindset that leads to coaches being fired for not reaching expectations. Because if it doesn't look like its figured out fire the coach. 

Winning is all that matters. No community cares about a coach putting in time with kids, investing in the community, caring about kids, maxing out the potential of your talent etc. Wins. And even more specifically a progression of wins. Winning coaches have been fired for a town feeling like they've become stagnate. And lets be honest, there are only a few schools that come close to having the talent to compete with the first 5 schools on your list. I was specific in what I asked for a reason. There is a reason the saying "There are two types of coaches, those that have been fired and those that will be", rings true for 95% of the coaching world.  Outside of the perennial powers that keep towns happy by winning, can you name 5 towns that have not fired their HC for a relatively long time? How many towns exist that understand their potential, and set their standard for their coach around that potential, and his care for the kids? 

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