RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: Which god are we worshipping today? The one that said "an eye for an eye" or the one that said if you truly repent you will find your self in heaven? Just need to be sure which side to jump in on. Tryng to decide if I am liberal, conservative, or independent today. That is the same God..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: Which god are we worshipping today? The one that said "an eye for an eye" or the one that said if you truly repent you will find your self in heaven? Just need to be sure which side to jump in on. Tryng to decide if I am liberal, conservative, or independent today. You need to overcome your denominational indoctrination and read the book of Hebrews on your own......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Hebrews 13:8 English Standard Version 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever Malachi 3:6 English Standard Version Robbing God 6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Hebrews 13:8 English Standard Version 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever Malachi 3:6 English Standard Version Robbing God 6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. @DannyZuco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, DannyZuco said: "His job to mow the commune" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 5:48 PM, RETIREDFAN1 said: Why did the Jews have to go to Pilate??? Because Pilate was the lawful authority in Roman occupied Judea and Jewish leaders were forbidden from carrying out executions (I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just now, EnjoyLife said: Because Pilate was the lawful authority in Roman occupied Judea and Jewish leaders were forbidden from carrying out executions (I think). The Romans forbade anyone from carrying out capitol punishment except themselves........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just now, RETIREDFAN1 said: The Romans forbade anyone from carrying out capitol punishment except themselves........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 5:48 PM, RETIREDFAN1 said: And how does this connect to the woman??? You said the adulterous woman was unjustly condemned because she was judged by "a mob" rather than a lawful assembly. So if a lawful assembly is the standard we use to justify sentencing someone to death then I guess Jesus execution was justified since he went before a lawful assembly (Pilate). Maybe when it comes to sentencing someone to death today we should act with grace and mercy (like Jesus) rather than seek retribution? Btw, there are certainly people that commit acts worthy of execution but I do not believe the govt should be in the business of killing its citizens...even its bad citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said: You said the adulterous woman was unjustly condemned because she was judged by "a mob" rather than a lawful assembly. So if a lawful assembly is the standard we use to justify sentencing someone to death then I guess Jesus execution was justified since he went before a lawful assembly (Pilate). Maybe when it comes to sentencing someone to death today we should act with grace and mercy (like Jesus) rather than seek retribution? Btw, there are certainly people that commit acts worthy of execution but I do not believe the govt should be in the business of killing its citizens...even its bad citizens. Jesus HAD to die......the Romans were the lawful authorities who carried out His execution......Here is what GOD had to say about retribution by HIS lawfully created civil government.....what you believe is irrelevant....we go by what God SAID...... Romans 13:3-4 English Standard Version 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Jesus HAD to die......the Romans were the lawful authorities who carried out His execution......Here is what GOD had to say about retribution by HIS lawfully created civil government.....what you believe is irrelevant....we go by what God SAID...... Romans 13:3-4 English Standard Version 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. I am well aware that Jesus had to die. No one disputes that the civil authorities should take freedom away from people that are a threat to others but is "Gods wrath" automatically death (serious question)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said: I am well aware that Jesus had to die. No one disputes that the civil authorities should take freedom away from people that are a threat to others but is "Gods wrath" automatically death (serious question)? He established the death penalty for a lot of crimes.......you should read Leviticus......God has not changed........why would God's avenger bear a sword if it weren't to execute the guilty??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Jesus HAD to die......the Romans were the lawful authorities who carried out His execution......Here is what GOD had to say about retribution by HIS lawfully created civil government.....what you believe is irrelevant....we go by what God SAID...... Romans 13:3-4 English Standard Version 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. What if, as is believed by many, that our elected officials (i.e. our rulers) are the wrongdoers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Monte1076 said: What if, as is believed by many, that our elected officials (i.e. our rulers) are the wrongdoers? Just like David wouldn't kill Saul when he had the chance, WE must allow God to take care of it in His way and His time......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Just like David wouldn't kill Saul when he had the chance, WE must allow God to take care of it in His way and His time......... Sure. I understand that. But if they're in office, and while we may not FEAR what they do, if obeying God's law is not considered "good" to them, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: Sure. I understand that. But if they're in office, and while we may not FEAR what they do, if obeying God's law is not considered "good" to them, then what? Never obey man's law if it goes against God's law. Like abortion. Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's ok with God. God will bless you for being obedient. If God is for you, it doesn't matter who's against you. I know it's easier said than done, but when we keep our faith, He will see us through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: Sure. I understand that. But if they're in office, and while we may not FEAR what they do, if obeying God's law is not considered "good" to them, then what? Hebrews 10:30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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