RETIREDFAN1 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 23 hours ago, DannyZuco said: ...especially since this country was founded on "separation of church and state".....SMH.... Better go study some real history instead of the libnut brainwashing you've obviously fallen for........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 9 hours ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Better go study some real history instead of the libnut brainwashing you've obviously fallen for........ He’s a public school teacher so he’s naturally biased a d desired to protect that institution, which I can’t blame him for. Also, I don’t have a problem with public school so long as we keep the lib propaganda at bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: He’s a public school teacher so he’s naturally biased a d desired to protect that institution, which I can’t blame him for. Also, I don’t have a problem with public school so long as we keep the lib propaganda at bay. I was a public school teacher and you can go back and check my posts for the past 2 decades to see that I've always supported school choice....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: I was a public school teacher and you can go back and check my posts for the past 2 decades to see that I've always supported school choice....... I support school choice as well. I just don’t attack public school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, HearEmaGrowlin said: I support school choice as well. I just don’t attack public school. I always supported it because it would have opened up recruiting in football........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 11 hours ago, JBizzle said: You don't know Jack about my kids. So don't make an assumption about them. My senior is president of the tsa and active in many extracurricular activities. She's never had a disciplinary issue. My freshman is 5th in his class and plays sports. Everyone tells me how great a kid he is. I'm happy to have my kids at CISD and they're glad to have them there. Doesn't mean I don't believe in school choice and defending people's right to do what they want with THEIR OWN CHILDREN! This country was not founded on separation of church and state. Show me where the constitution says that! Let’s see what those Founders had to say about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Monte1076 said: Gonna quibble with you a little, here. Not everyone does have a choice. We've been fortunate enough that we have been in a position to be able to home school for the last decade. I work (remotely), my wife does the teaching. Not everyone can do that. Some people also can't afford private school. So they basically don't have a choice but to go to a public school. But they do have a choice.....Almost EVERY school district in Texas takes transfers from other districts.....therefore they aren't subject to just their local school. Unless you live out in Marfa, Balmorehea, or Valentine or other parts of West Texas or Panhandle.....you are probably close to another school district that you can attend. And you are correct, not everyone can afford a private education.....and considering that there are only 633 NON-Religious schools in the State of Texas, and by looking at the list below......almost all are in metro areas....meaning anyone in the rural part of the state has to attend a religious private school. Which leads us into the "separation of church and state".....tax dollars should NEVER be given to religious schools....and to top it off....NONE of these schools have to follow ANY state guidelines like public schools.....so giving people "tax dollars" for an educational savings account is nothing more than allowing the wealthy to continue to stay wealthy and keep their kids from the "rift-raft"........ And everyone has the choice to homeschool......while you might be one of those that actually holds their student accountable, many, if not most, (over 50%) don't and homeschool is nothing more than an attempt to keep kids at home, and allow them to do whatever they please, without responsibilities..... https://www.privateschoolreview.com/texas/nonsectarian-religious-affiliation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted April 10, 2023 Author Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: And everyone has the choice to homeschool......while you might be one of those that actually holds their student accountable, many, if not most, (over 50%) don't and homeschool is nothing more than an attempt to keep kids at home, and allow them to do whatever they please, without responsibilities..... This isn't quite right. https://hslda.org/post/how-to-comply-with-texas-homeschool-law https://thsc.org/requirements-to-homeschool-in-texas/ Admittedly, I can't cite you the actual numbers. Edited April 10, 2023 by Monte1076 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 11 hours ago, JBizzle said: You don't know Jack about my kids. So don't make an assumption about them. My senior is president of the tsa and active in many extracurricular activities. She's never had a disciplinary issue. My freshman is 5th in his class and plays sports. Everyone tells me how great a kid he is. I'm happy to have my kids at CISD and they're glad to have them there. Doesn't mean I don't believe in school choice and defending people's right to do what they want with THEIR OWN CHILDREN! This country was not founded on separation of church and state. Show me where the constitution says that! I don't know what CISD you are talking about....Carroll school district?....where conservativism has taken waaaaay over, Carrollton school district? Corrigan School District? Canton School District? There are so many. And as I have said MANY MANY times, I believe in school choice also, just not at the TAXPAYER expense.....especially when it comes to local property taxes.....I am just tired of this "we don't have choices" crappola......because that is a blatant lie... As far as Separation of Church and state.....The First Amendment---part of the Constitution, religious clause definately tells us that there is separation of church and state in the Constitution....that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".....if that doesn't separate the church from the government. I don't know what does...... https://time.com/5103677/church-state-separation-religious-freedom/ Jefferson wrote back that religious liberty, free from state tampering, would be a key part of the American vision. The Constitution, he wrote, would “restore to man all his natural rights.” In this same letter, Jefferson explained the intent of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution, which reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” This, he said, built a “wall of separation of church and state.” Unlike many places in the world, our government is not prohibited from referencing or accommodating religion, nor is the government compelled to scrub all religious references from the public square. Rather, the First Amendment ensures both that the government does not show preference to a certain religion and that the government does not take away an individual’s ability to exercise religion. In other words, the church should not rule over the state, and the state cannot rule over the church. Religion is too important to be a government program or a political pageant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: This isn't quite right. https://hslda.org/post/how-to-comply-with-texas-homeschool-law https://thsc.org/requirements-to-homeschool-in-texas/ Admittedly, I can't cite you the actual numbers. Being in the educational business for almost 30 years now, I can tell you that those "requirements" are "done" the way people want to do them, not always by the rule of law.....not everyone cares about the rules or laws......I personally worked in a school district that had about 100 kids in the high school, found out at the county fair, that the district had about 250 high school kids living there, more of them were homeschooled than were coming to a private school......and they were working all day on their ranches, so when they were doing their "school work", I don't know when, but they all got diplomas. And just by conversing with these students and parents, you can understand why I don't believe they followed those guidelines that you always present...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted April 10, 2023 Author Share Posted April 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: Being in the educational business for almost 30 years now, I can tell you that those "requirements" are "done" the way people want to do them, not always by the rule of law. Not going to quibble that point with you, but I never said that they weren't, just that those are the "requirements" as laid out by the state. Quote And just by conversing with these students and parents, you can understand why I don't believe they followed those guidelines that you always present...... It's likely they did not. But again, the State of Texas has minimal requirements and, based on the links above, little to no follow-up. We've actually been going "above and beyond" what the state requires. My wife has an actual schedule printed out, and prints out a daily "itinerary" of what's taught in class that day. She also saves things in digital format. Our "school day" runs from 7:30AM to 3PM, with a half hour lunch break. There's also data that suggests that home school students (the ones that are bona fide home schooled) actually perform at or above the level of their public school peers in key subjects, as well as college admissions exams. I can find and post them if you're interested in reading them. I mean heck, as part of my son's physics class, he wrote a paper on how many elements could be in the periodic table. Not how many there are, but a theoretical upper bound. He's also been exposed to three programming languages (Java, Python, and C#) as well as R, ReactJS, HTML, CSS, Test Driven Development, and other programming practices as well. He's also done Arduino projects. He's got somewhat of a natural interest in languages, and has studied Spanish "officially" as a foreign, but has also learned (on hos own, mind you) about Japanese and a couple of other languages. He's also learned a little about how to use some graphic design tools (mostly the Gnu Image Manipulation Program) and 3d modeling tools like Blender. We've done other subjects as well. All home schooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBizzle Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said: Let’s see what those Founders had to say about it. Which of those quotes are in the constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 https://thevoicegcc.com/10110/opinion/separation-of-church-and-state-has-never-existed-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=The idea of separation of,in the Declaration of Independence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Last 20 years 7.7% increase in teachers. 75% increase in management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, PepeSilvia said: Let’s see what those Founders had to say about it. Wait til you see what was said about public education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Monte1076 said: There's also data that suggests that home school students (the ones that are bona fide home schooled) actually perform at or above the level of their public school peers in key subjects, as well as college admissions exams. I don't doubt that those who actually do work and are in a legitimate program like your son can do very well, but you know that would be what we call a very small sampling because there is no accountability standard that applies to all homeschool programs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: Last 20 years 7.7% increase in teachers. 75% increase in management I believe that I have mentioned this in the past, there are TOO MANY administrators and too few teachers, and if you look at the budgets, payroll for these increase, while many school teachers only get a 2-5% raise, this past year. My district was so happy to give us a 2% raise, at the "Midpoint"--which means they totaled all the teacher salaries together, divided them by the number of teachers and that amount of money gave us our 2% raise....Well that 2% raise didn't even cover the cost of my insurances..... But I whole Heartedly agree, there are TOO MANY administrators making way over 6 figures. That is a huge problem in education.....10 different people making decisions for the person in the classroom, and 200 politicians making rules that are absurd..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 The above statement is WHY people need to be involved in their LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD meetings.....to find out WHY so much money is wasted...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted April 10, 2023 Author Share Posted April 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: The above statement is WHY people need to be involved in their LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD meetings.....to find out WHY so much money is wasted...... So in your opinion, why is there this excess of administrators? Do you have an ideal number in mind? I'm genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Monte1076 said: So in your opinion, why is there this excess of administrators? Do you have an ideal number in mind? I'm genuinely curious. Well, it always depends upon the size of the school district. Most Class A schools need only a superintendent to head the district, no need for assistant supers. But I am in a 5A district.....We have a super, we have 7 assistant superintendents, they get more pay if they are considered assistant supers instead of Department heads......And that doesn't include the Athletic Director, who has an assistant athletic director.....neither of whom teach classes.....And that doesn't include all the principals, assistant principals, teacher mentors, curriculum specialists.......In my smaller district we have 16 people who make $100K or more, that is 1.6 million dollars, and 3 years ago we had to "freeze pay" because we were over budget.......but those people got their money..... If you want to look at salaries for school districts.....check these out.https://govsalaries.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, PepeSilvia said: Let’s see what those Founders had to say about it. Why you trying to derail the Christian agenda, does not bode well for you?. Edited April 11, 2023 by HearEmaGrowlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Monte1076 said: So in your opinion, why is there this excess of administrators? Do you have an ideal number in mind? I'm genuinely curious. I’m sure government regulations have something to do with it. The salaries are the schools problem. The need for administrative work are the governments fault. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 21 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: Wait til you see what was said about public education. Why don’t you illuminate me to what was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 13 hours ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: Why you trying to derail the Christian agenda, does not bode well for you?. So now quoting the Founding Fathers is derailing the Christian agenda?!? It’s been derailed a long time ago based on the numbers of people who are dropping out of churches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, PepeSilvia said: Why don’t you illuminate me to what was said. Why? So you can meme something off subject? No thanks. Keep cherry picking the founders that y’all hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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