ctown81 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, JBizzle said: I know a few people from the UK that have been trying to get here for years. It's hard for them to get Visas. Guess they should just fly to South America and walk up.... On 5/28/2022 at 7:51 AM, ctown81 said: doubt it's the majoity 8 minutes ago, JBizzle said: the few British B team" ### does that mean? You telling me that Britain didn't want to hold the colonies??? It's not they didn't want to hold the colonies but it wasn't worth going all out for plus the british were already dang near broke b/c of the colonist. 13 minutes ago, JBizzle said: We are not the best at everything. We aren't the best at Soccer. We aren't even on the same field in cricket or rugby. We are far from the best at defending our own sovereignty from invaders. We are pretty terrible at electing a president, apparently. We are really good at whining about how bad we have it when the poorest people in our nation live better than 98% of the world. Well I was thinking things like GDP, life expectancy, literacy rate etc... but keep talking about cricket and rugby. As far as the poorest people in our nation live better than 98% of the world, you may want to research that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlahBlah Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, JBizzle said: "the few British B team" ### does that mean? You telling me that Britain didn't want to hold the colonies??? I see a lot of misinformation being said here and the usual banter, But to put it into perspective as to how Britain was affected by the American Revolution. Let's see how many wars were being fought at the same time. American Revolution : 1775-1783 (British Empire and Native American Allies v.s French Empire, Spanish Empire and The Dutch Republic and the American colonists.) Anglo-Spanish War : 1775-1783 Anglo-French War : 1775-1783 Fourth Anglo-Dutch War : 1780 First Anglo-Maratha War : 1775-1782 (British v.s Maratha Empire) Armada of 1779 : (British v.s Spanish and French) Failed Invasion of Britain, caused catastrophic defeat for Spanish and French... To assist American Revolution. 2nd Anglo-Mysore War : 1779-1784 (Britain and Allies v.s Kingdom of Mysore) Fourth Anglo-Dutch War : 1780–1784 (British v.s Dutch Republic and French) British gain large amounts of Territory and Trading right How many wars Britain was fighting during the American Revolution. : PKA (reddit.com) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: Well I was thinking things like GDP, life expectancy, literacy rate etc... Tough to have those things when people like yourself and our current "elected" officials in power are proponents of socialism/communism and are trying to run the train off the rails to implement those systems. Those systems that have never worked out well (especially for the citizens) in the history of......EVER. Difficult to implement those systems if the economy is doing well, everyone had jobs, and can afford food and fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 39 minutes ago, ObiOne said: Tough to have those things when people like yourself and our current "elected" officials in power are proponents of socialism/communism and are trying to run the train off the rails to implement those systems. Those systems that have never worked out well (especially for the citizens) in the history of......EVER. Difficult to implement those systems if the economy is doing well, everyone had jobs, and can afford food and fuel. See you're just trying to blame one side. What about the past when we weren't number 1 or even top 10 in some categories? Not trying to be funny or anything but at some point you have to quit repeating the garbage politicians give you and just look yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 14 hours ago, ctown81 said: See you're just trying to blame one side. What about the past when we weren't number 1 or even top 10 in some categories? Not trying to be funny or anything but at some point you have to quit repeating the garbage politicians give you and just look yourself. Speaking of garbage....sometimes you have to actually think for yourself and not rely on a propogandist article to figure out which country is the best. I'll give you a hint. It is the one that millions of people risk their lives to come to every year...and have for years and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 38 minutes ago, ObiOne said: Speaking of garbage....sometimes you have to actually think for yourself and not rely on a propogandist article to figure out which country is the best. I'll give you a hint. It is the one that millions of people risk their lives to come to every year...and have for years and years. Define "socialism" for me. Im interested in your definition...not the dictionaries definition. Btw, I agree with you that real socialism (as I define it) is a disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said: Define "socialism" for me. Im interested in your definition...not the dictionaries definition. Btw, I agree with you that real socialism (as I define it) is a disaster. in school we teach socialism as a "mixed economy" and communism is what we call what the right "thinks" is socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, ObiOne said: Speaking of garbage....sometimes you have to actually think for yourself and not rely on a propogandist article to figure out which country is the best. I'll give you a hint. It is the one that millions of people risk their lives to come to every year...and have for years and years. Let's forget about political affiliations and agenda for a second before I ask this. You do realize that the countries we use as failed socialism (I'm talking about mixed economies) examples, ended up failing due to U.S. interference, then they tell us socialism is evil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, ctown81 said: Let's forget about political affiliations and agenda for a second before I ask this. You do realize that the countries we use as failed socialism (I'm talking about mixed economies) examples, ended up failing due to U.S. interference, then they tell us socialism is evil. Do you believe socialism works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, trashyhound said: Do you believe socialism works? yes, when it's further on the free market side of the spectrum. China is technically socialist but leans extremely close to straight up communism. All economic systems have their pros and cons but at the end of the day, there is no such thing as free market and very few examples of communism these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, EnjoyLife said: Define "socialism" for me. Im interested in your definition...not the dictionaries definition. Btw, I agree with you that real socialism (as I define it) is a disaster. The last step before communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 55 minutes ago, ctown81 said: yes, when it's further on the free market side of the spectrum. So you think socialism works when it is more like capitalism. Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 54 minutes ago, ctown81 said: yes, when it's further on the free market side of the spectrum. China is technically socialist but leans extremely close to straight up communism. All economic systems have their pros and cons but at the end of the day, there is no such thing as free market and very few examples of communism these days. Where is socialism working? Name one country where society and the economy is superior to capitalism .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said: Where is socialism working? Name one country where society and the economy is superior to capitalism ... Germany. Highest GDP per Capita in the world and a mixed economy plus society is pretty good from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, ObiOne said: So you think socialism works when it is more like capitalism. Interesting Honestly I think somewhere closer to the middle is best. Let's be honest we've all been brainwashed to think that capitalism is perfect when we know it's not. I think the US is too close to the capitalism side of the spectrum. That's why we have such a huge economic Gap in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, ObiOne said: The last step before communism. If a country has a oligarchy or authoritarian government yes it would be but not in a democratic government. Plenty of social democracies out there that have not come close to all our communism. Communism is usually associated with a dictator whose power hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Honestly I think somewhere closer to the middle is best. Let's be honest we've all been brainwashed to think that capitalism is perfect when we know it's not. I think the US is too close to the capitalism side of the spectrum. That's why we have such a huge economic Gap in this country. Capitalism ain't perfect....but it beats the hell out of all the other options....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Germany. Highest GDP per Capita in the world and a mixed economy plus society is pretty good from what I hear. Why aren't they more diverse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Germany. Highest GDP per Capita in the world and a mixed economy plus society is pretty good from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, ctown81 said: If a country has a oligarchy or authoritarian government yes it would be but not in a democratic government. Plenty of social democracies out there that have not come close to all our communism. Communism is usually associated with a dictator whose power hungry. At most for a few decades. Give some examples of these somewhere in history that were long-term successful governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I believe in a capitalist, market economy...because a capitalist, market economy generates more innovation and wealth than any other economic system. However, I also believe that capitalism must be constrained or you will end up with what we have today...a govt controlled by corporate $. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ObiOne said: The last step before communism. That is not really a definition. Let me re-phrase my question...does the type of economy a country has make it socialist (ie...free market vs centrally planned) or does govt social programs (ie universal healthcare, a robust social safety net etc) make a country socialist? There is not a right or wrong answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: Germany. Highest GDP per Capita in the world and a mixed economy plus society is pretty good from what I hear. Their standard of living pales in comparison to ours .... I have been there and have relatives that live there .... government has it's thumb on everything business wise there .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ctown81 said: yes, when it's further on the free market side of the spectrum. China is technically socialist but leans extremely close to straight up communism. All economic systems have their pros and cons but at the end of the day, there is no such thing as free market and very few examples of communism these days. I agree. But a true free market > socialism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said: I believe in a capitalist, market economy...because a capitalist, market economy generates more innovation and wealth than any other economic system. However, I also believe that capitalism must be constrained or you will end up with what we have today...a govt controlled by corporate $. "restraining" free market capitalism is WHY we ended up with what we have today...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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