KirtFalcon Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Sadly, our federal government has metastasized into a grotesque monstrosity never envisioned by our Founding Fathers ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said: Sadly, our federal government has metastasized into a grotesque monstrosity never envisioned by our Founding Fathers ..... They envisioned it....thats WHY The SECOND AMENDMENT was included in The Bill of Rights...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, KirtFalcon said: Their standard of living pales in comparison to ours .... I have been there and have relatives that live there .... government has it's thumb on everything business wise there .... I hear the opposite from my military freinds. I haven't been there so that's one up on me. So people make more money per household but the standard of living is low. Now in the U.S. depending on where you go, the standard of living is not as high as you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, KirtFalcon said: Sadly, our federal government has metastasized into a grotesque monstrosity never envisioned by our Founding Fathers ..... If you're talking about 2% with the majority of the wealth, that's exactly would the FF envisioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, EnjoyLife said: I believe in a capitalist, market economy...because a capitalist, market economy generates more innovation and wealth than any other economic system. However, I also believe that capitalism must be constrained or you will end up with what we have today...a govt controlled by corporate $. It has ALWAYS been like this. At one point corporations had other countries getting loans from them. As for your first sentence, it's right but (south korea enters chat)..... it creates more innovation and wealth, but the majority of that wealth goes to the rich 2%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ObiOne said: At most for a few decades. Give some examples of these somewhere in history that were long-term successful governments. Well mixed economies wasn't an idea until the 30's and really didn't kick off until after WW2, so there would be no long term examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ObiOne said: Why aren't they more diverse? ummmm..... because they didn't play a huge role in the slave trade nor promoted themselves as a melting pot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Not a fan of communism at all, but I'd be willing to bet Capitalism has killed more people than communism. Think about that for a second. Heck it's all over our history books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBizzle Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Not a fan of communism at all, but I'd be willing to bet Capitalism has killed more people than communism. Think about that for a second. Heck it's all over our history books. Yeah, you've completely lost it here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, JBizzle said: Yeah, you've completely lost it here.... This is not me trying to be political at all but just a history buff. It's all over history books. Capitalism is VERY ruthless. You're just believing the hype and the truth is in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Not a fan of communism at all, but I'd be willing to bet Capitalism has killed more people than communism. Think about that for a second. Heck it's all over our history books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, ObiOne said: Difference is, we don't kill our own people, well at first we did mistreat and kill but now we just do those things to other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Difference is, we don't kill our own people, well at first we did mistreat and kill but now we just do those things to other countries. We kill them so bad that millions risk their lives to come here every year in hopes that they can get killed worse. Must be a hell of a capitalist commercial in all the third world countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, ObiOne said: We kill them so bad that millions risk their lives to come here every year in hopes that they can get killed worse. Must be a hell of a capitalist commercial in all the third world countries. Ok... didn't think this had to be explained. Slavery and the Industrial Revolution killed a lot of people in the U.S. alone all for capitalism. Sweatshops in other countries, Imperialism (think blood diamonds) etc.... plenty of people have died across the world and wars started by countries with capitalistic motives. Plus this is a mute point since the U.S is a mixed just like a lot of other countries. As a matter of fact, when the U.S. was PURELY capitalistic during the Industrial Revolution, it was HORRIBLE for 98% of the people. Don't believe me, pick up a history book. Not trying to say it doesn't have good points but dang, yall choose to ignore obvious things in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: )..... it creates more innovation and wealth, but the majority of that wealth goes to the rich 2%. No doubt that an outsized percentage of new wealth in this country has gone to the top in recent decades. The gap between the wealthiest Americans and the poorest Americans is now at its widest point in a century. As far as the other subject goes...capitalism has plenty of blood on its hands...but I doubt it can touch communism. Stalin and Mao set the bar really high for killing folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild74 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ctown81 said: It has ALWAYS been like this. At one point corporations had other countries getting loans from them. As for your first sentence, it's right but (south korea enters chat)..... it creates more innovation and wealth, but the majority of that wealth goes to the rich 2%. In this country you have the opportunity to work for the man or be the man. Being the man takes a fairly good risk with his money he either succeeds or fails. The 2% you are talking about are mostly the people who had great innovations at the right time. People who start their own business can do very well, I have a cousin whos father-in-law own a electrical contracting company in New Orleans and was doing fairly well, but after Katrina he did really well and made a fortune and sold the company and retired. He is not part of the 2% and may be worth 25 or 30 million dollars, not to bad for someone who went to trade school. I chose to work for the man probably like you and I have a good retirement for the way I live. I enjoy it and hope for you the same once you hit that retirement thresh hold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: I hear the opposite from my military freinds. I haven't been there so that's one up on me. So people make more money per household but the standard of living is low. Now in the U.S. depending on where you go, the standard of living is not as high as you think. Most Americans would be shocked at their cramped housing options in Germany, they are quite small compared to our standards .... Things we take for granted are luxury items in Germany ... visit one of their grocery stores, pharmacies, or shopping centers as you will find out pretty quick the difference in here and there .... I saw it first hand when I was in the military .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 hours ago, ctown81 said: If you're talking about 2% with the majority of the wealth, that's exactly would the FF envisioned. What system doesn't have the top 2% with all the money? With capitalism the top 2% changes over time and those below rise as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, trashyhound said: What system doesn't have the top 2% with all the money? With capitalism the top 2% changes over time and those below rise as well. The other systems usually end up with .1% having all the money and the rest don't have enough for a sandwich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, trashyhound said: What system doesn't have the top 2% with all the money? With capitalism the top 2% changes over time and those below rise as well. That's not how capitalism is presented though. That 2% doesn't change too often but it does indeed change. Let's be real, the only people that break through that 2% are extraordinary people which is cool but it's presented as something that's attainable by anyone, which is true but WAY too many obstacles in the way placed by the elite to keep it from happening more often than it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 54 minutes ago, ObiOne said: The other systems usually end up with .1% having all the money and the rest don't have enough for a sandwich. Mixed economy countries such as Norway and Sweden (i believe) does not have a gap as big as ours. Just because something is not capitalism doesn't make it inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 9 hours ago, ctown81 said: yes, when it's further on the free market side of the spectrum. China is technically socialist but leans extremely close to straight up communism. All economic systems have their pros and cons but at the end of the day, there is no such thing as free market and very few examples of communism these days. You do realize that China also introduced limited Capitalism into it's economy in the 80's to compete, because their communism was failing. Had Communist China not made that change they would no longer be just as the USSR has gone. Socialist and Communist countries can not last for more than 75 years, because their debts eat them alive. That's the problem with the U.S. we introduced to many socialist programs into our economy that it's eating U.S. up at the present time, and Biden wants to double down. The left are such fools. Capitalism is the only things that work. America was the greatest country in the world when it came to economics, and then FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton (with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac), Bush with Bailouts, BHO with his failed socialist programs, Trump with his stimuless, and now Biden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 8 hours ago, ctown81 said: Germany. Highest GDP per Capita in the world and a mixed economy plus society is pretty good from what I hear. From what you hear. It's not even close to being true. Luxembourg leads the world, followed by Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, then the U.S.. Germany was ranked 16th in 2020 which is the latest data I could find. https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/#:~:text=Gross domestic product per capita is someti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, ctown81 said: ummmm..... because they didn't play a huge role in the slave trade nor promoted themselves as a melting pot? They didn't or they hid the history ? Also when you kill off 6 million Jews it hurts your diversity as well. German Role in the Slave Trade Adds to Its Dark Colonial History (fairobserver.com) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, ctown81 said: This is not me trying to be political at all but just a history buff. It's all over history books. Capitalism is VERY ruthless. You're just believing the hype and the truth is in front of you. Nobody said it was easy. As they say, it's a dog eat dog world out there, and that is regardless of what economic plan a Government uses. I would much rather go with pure Capitalism where you can rise from rags to riches and back again, and then up again vs. an economic controlled Government that leaves you with pennies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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