JBizzle Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 57 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: We are 40-6 in district since 2015….. four district titles. No fourth place finishes. Nice try though. I forgot some people think certain programs are above the rules and make excuses when they get caught. Haven't made one single excuse for anyone. Won't make an excuse for anyone. You do the crime, you do the time. Guess the largest enrollment will just be the state champion every year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neveragain Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 As someone who has coached the largest enrollment school in my division at the end of one realignment and then the next year had the smallest enrollment in the next larger division I can tell you it does make a difference....especially on the subvarsity level which effects how your participation is later on the varsity level. There is no solution to the issue, someone has to be the smallest in the division, but it is not much fun. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, neveragain said: As someone who has coached the largest enrollment school in my division at the end of one realignment and then the next year had the smallest enrollment in the next larger division I can tell you it does make a difference....especially on the subvarsity level which effects how your participation is later on the varsity level. There is no solution to the issue, someone has to be the smallest in the division, but it is not much fun. This. That’s ALL I’ve been saying. That 2-3 number fudge makes a difference to those smaller schools who otherwise wouldn’t even be facing said team. Downplaying it belittles the entire reason we even bother with alignment and classification. If 3 isn’t a big deal… is 15? 30? 80? When does it become a problem for those that say it’s being blown out of proportion? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBizzle Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: This. That’s ALL I’ve been saying. That 2-3 number fudge makes a difference to those smaller schools who otherwise wouldn’t even be facing said team. Downplaying it belittles the entire reason we even bother with alignment and classification. If 3 isn’t a big deal… is 15? 30? 80? When does it become a problem for those that say it’s being blown out of proportion? Didn't say it doesn't make a difference. Tell Allen they will be 7A all by themselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefRedCloud Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, JBizzle said: Didn't say it doesn't make a difference. Tell Allen they will be 7A all by themselves... But you posted what difference does 3 students make. You are saying it doesn't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBizzle Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, ChiefRedCloud said: But you posted what difference does 3 students make. You are saying it doesn't make a difference. I said it wasn't a huge deal and let's not blow it out of proportion. Having more kids obviously means there is a larger number of kids to put on the team, but it's not the end-all, be-all. If that was the case, we would just have an enrollment contest and put enrollment on the scoreboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PelvisPresley Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 3:09 PM, neveragain said: According to the Alto superintendent, the coach was let go sometime in the winter months...she says no one was aware of the enrollment until May so if everyone is correct on the timeline then Coach Gamble had nothing to do with it. my thing, the AD wouldn't be the person enrolling or unenrolling students...or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox4 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 10:46 AM, ChiefRedCloud said: Exactly how is the UIL going to punish the adults responsible? UIL has zero power over school employees. Fine the school district, put the people at hand on probation, but don’t punish the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Mox4 said: Fine the school district, put the people at hand on probation, but don’t punish the kids. The UIL can't fine the school district ... they did the only thing they could do as far as punishment goes .... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PostSurfer Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 To me the "head scratcher" in this whole thing is the timing of the letter submitted containing the allegation. Whomever submitted it had to have knowledge of this event, they were either close to it or gained it from someone that was and did so out of retaliation or had an axe to grind against the district. Six month window in between keeps everyone in play. Solve this "who done it" and that will help everyone understand why this can of worms was opened. I suspect it is known privately. I do look forward to seeing how the Yellowjackets fare with their seemingly Div 1 / Div 2 schedule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoEsquela Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, PostSurfer said: To me the "head scratcher" in this whole thing is the timing of the letter submitted containing the allegation. Whomever submitted it had to have knowledge of this event, they were either close to it or gained it from someone that was and did so out of retaliation or had an axe to grind against the district. Six month window in between keeps everyone in play. Solve this "who done it" and that will help everyone understand why this can of worms was opened. I suspect it is known privately. I do look forward to seeing how the Yellowjackets fare with their seemingly Div 1 / Div 2 schedule. If colonel sanders didn’t want his secret recipe revealed then he probably shouldn’t have fired the cook 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefRedCloud Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 13 hours ago, Mox4 said: Fine the school district, put the people at hand on probation, but don’t punish the kids. UIL does not have the power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorncrazy Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Bottom line, Alto didn't want to be the small fish in the big pond (2A DI). They wanted to be one of the big fish in the little pond (2A DII). Numbers do make a difference whether it's 1 or 101. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 13 hours ago, Mox4 said: Fine the school district, put the people at hand on probation, but don’t punish the kids. A fine does absolutely no good in this situation. What they did wasn’t done for monetary gain. It was done for success on the football field. In addition, kids are going to be punished by this one way or the other. If a school that should rightfully be D1 is allowed to compete in D2, D2 kids are being punished. The right decision was made, however painful it may be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropkick Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I may have missed it but does the penalty apply to all sports for two years or only football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingnut Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, Dropkick said: I may have missed it but does the penalty apply to all sports for two years or only football? Football only. Football is the only thing that is divided into D1 and D2. It would only make a difference if the numbers were the difference in keeping them in 2A instead of moving to 3A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinder Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 if we know it was 3 people we should know 3 names. if said 3 people don't play sports at all then where do you stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, grinder said: if we know it was 3 people we should know 3 names. if said 3 people don't play sports at all then where do you stand? Do all of the students at any school participate in athletics? No. The classification numbers aren’t set based on athletic participation. They’re set based on overall enrollment. That’s the rule, it’s been that way for decades, and it was broken. That’s why the punishment was handed down. Rules without enforcement are useless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinder Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 i realize not all kids play sports. my deal is why not go by numbers that actually play sports then classify by that number other than total kids in school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, grinder said: i realize not all kids play sports. my deal is why not go by numbers that actually play sports then classify by that number other than total kids in school Garrison ended up in a higher classification several recent alignments because of transfer students that the majority of which didn’t participate in sports ... The last two realignments that we ended up in what is now 3ADII we were pushed up into 3A due to 35-40 transfer students we "inherited" ... I see what you are saying, but basing realignment on sports participation would be practically impossible to forecast ... the UIL sets the guidelines and the schools have to abide by it .... the one thing I believe they should change and makes 100% sense, at least to me, is basing the new alignment on 8th grade through 11th grade instead of 9th through 12th grade .... the 12th grade class they are counting won’t be there the next two years during the new realignment ... Edited August 6, 2022 by KirtFalcon yo mama 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neveragain Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 The number of students in each sport varies....some schools have a large number out for football but minimal out for volleyball or basketball. Which sport would be the driver for realignment and what do you do if more or less come out than anticipated? Would girls' sports be tied to the number of football players? I think the enrollment process used by the UIL is the best way to keep the field level. Even if students choose not to participate, they at least have the same opportunity as schools of their relative same size. It is up to the coaches, parents, peers, and other stakeholders to get the participation level up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, grinder said: i realize not all kids play sports. my deal is why not go by numbers that actually play sports then classify by that number other than total kids in school Because school isn’t about football. Athletics is part of the school experience. What if a school has low participation numbers for football but their girls basketball program gets 25-30 kids that play AAU ball year round? What about band kids? Band contest are divided by classification just like football is. Queen City would rule 2A band contests. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 hours ago, PostSurfer said: To me the "head scratcher" in this whole thing is the timing of the letter submitted containing the allegation. Whomever submitted it had to have knowledge of this event, they were either close to it or gained it from someone that was and did so out of retaliation or had an axe to grind against the district. Six month window in between keeps everyone in play. Solve this "who done it" and that will help everyone understand why this can of worms was opened. I suspect it is known privately. I do look forward to seeing how the Yellowjackets fare with their seemingly Div 1 / Div 2 schedule. “AD/HFB left, counselor gone, anonymous letter in April, Hearing in August.” This line is from your previous post. I’d say you likely named the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 7:34 AM, TomBrady said: You’re an embarrassment to the Joaquin community saying stuff like this. I'm 100% sure the Joaquin Community all know who I am and realize it was severe sarcasm. I do have to get better at expressing sarcasm on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyone Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 hours ago, KirtFalcon said: Garrison ended up in a higher classification several recent alignments because of transfer students that the majority of which didn’t participate in sports ... The last two realignments that we ended up in what is now 3ADII we were pushed up into 3A due to 35-40 transfer students we "inherited" ... I see what you are saying, but basing realignment on sports participation would be practically impossible to forecast ... the UIL sets the guidelines and the schools have to abide by it .... the one thing I believe they should change and makes 100% sense, at least to me, is basing the new alignment on 8th grade through 11th grade instead of 9th through 12th grade .... the 12th grade class they are counting won’t be there the next two years during the new realignment ... I think the problem with counting kids in 8th grade is larger school districts that pool from several junior high schools. If that can be done, then, counting 8 through 11th grade would be a more accurate representation of your high school the following two years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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