ObiOne Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 @ctown81 @EnjoyLife 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 9 hours ago, ObiOne said: @ctown81 @EnjoyLife So politics do have a place in sports? Good to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Vin is right about actual socialism...but (for example) universal healthcare does not make a nation "socialist" any more than driving on public roads or getting water from a public water system does. Btw...I did not know that it was Vin on the call when Hank Aaron hit homerun 715. What a legend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, EnjoyLife said: Vin is right about actual socialism...but (for example) universal healthcare does not make a nation "socialist" any more than driving on public roads or getting water from a public water system does. Btw...I did not know that it was Vin on the call when Hank Aaron hit homerun 715. What a legend. Here's the thing about failed socialism not to be confused with communism. The U.S. puts sanctions on countries to cause the issue and then say "see, we told you socialism doesn't work". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 40 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Here's the thing about failed socialism not to be confused with communism. The U.S. puts sanctions on countries to cause the issue and then say "see, we told you socialism doesn't work". Now you are just being redundant. Sounds like you are saying that socialism needs the US to prop up its economy. Sounds like an awful system, which it is. Socialism is just the next step before communism. Not counting Bernie Sanders, who was the last socialist to come grow from meager beginnings and turn into a multi-millionaire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, ObiOne said: Now you are just being redundant. Sounds like you are saying that socialism needs the US to prop up its economy. Sounds like an awful system, which it is. Socialism is just the next step before communism. Not counting Bernie Sanders, who was the last socialist to come grow from meager beginnings and turn into a multi-millionaire? That is not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying U.S. interference caused a lot of their issues. Well socialist Canada added 30k new millionaires in 2019. Norway seems to do well in that regard also. https://financialpost.com/executive/executive-summary/posthaste-canadian-millionaires-multiply-in-weirdest-recession-ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, ctown81 said: That is not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying U.S. interference caused a lot of their issues. Well socialist Canada added 30k new millionaires in 2019. Norway seems to do well in that regard also. https://financialpost.com/executive/executive-summary/posthaste-canadian-millionaires-multiply-in-weirdest-recession-ever That is the rich getting richer. Mainly people with assets net worth going up due to inflation. What great systems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 52 minutes ago, ObiOne said: That is the rich getting richer. Mainly people with assets net worth going up due to inflation. What great systems! The rich gets richer huh? That NEVER happens in the U.S. EVERY economic system is designed that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, ctown81 said: The rich gets richer huh? That NEVER happens in the U.S. EVERY economic system is designed that way. I understand that. In the US the the poor have a chance to get rich too. That doesn't happen often in socialist countries. 1 hour ago, ObiOne said: Now you are just being redundant. Sounds like you are saying that socialism needs the US to prop up its economy. Sounds like an awful system, which it is. Socialism is just the next step before communism. Not counting Bernie Sanders, who was the last socialist to come grow from meager beginnings and turn into a multi-millionaire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, ObiOne said: That is the rich getting richer. Mainly people with assets net worth going up due to inflation. What great systems! The US has the widest gap between the haves and the have nots of any advanced nation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, ObiOne said: I understand that. In the US the the poor have a chance to get rich too. That doesn't happen often in socialist countries. When you say "socialist countries" are you talking about Cuba? Or Germany? I'm not sure how you define "socialist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said: The US has the widest gap between the haves and the have nots of any advanced nation. We also have class mobility. I've experienced it myself, personally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said: The US has the widest gap between the haves and the have nots of any advanced nation. Yep, and our have nots are better off than most of our grandparents, parents, and many of us. They also have a chance to move to the top. This socialist/communist/marxist scamdemic was one of the largest transitions of wealth from poor to rich. But lets not talk about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, ObiOne said: I understand that. In the US the the poor have a chance to get rich too. That doesn't happen often in socialist countries. I'm not sure that upward economic mobility is any better these days in the U S than it is in (for example) western Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, EnjoyLife said: When you say "socialist countries" are you talking about Cuba? Or Germany? I'm not sure how you define "socialist". They think all socialist countries are poor and all capitalist countries are flourishing. Failing to realize that there are good and bad examples of each. The indoctrination in our education system is appalling. A literal examples of socialist countries who are thriving more so than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: We also have class mobility. I've experienced it myself, personally. I agree and there socialist (mixed economy) countries that have it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, ctown81 said: I agree and there socialist (mixed economy) countries that have it too. Hell, we have a mixed economy and getting more socialist by the day. That is the problem, those in power want more power. Give them an incentive and an ecopolitical tool (socialism) and they will keep taking until we are screwed. Have you ever seen anything that the government is good at, efficient at....more so than the free market? And you want to give them more power and control over the citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 10 hours ago, ObiOne said: Hell, we have a mixed economy and getting more socialist by the day. That is the problem, those in power want more power. Give them an incentive and an ecopolitical tool (socialism) and they will keep taking until we are screwed. Have you ever seen anything that the government is good at, efficient at....more so than the free market? And you want to give them more power and control over the citizens? Well.. you honestly would rather put things in the hands of corporations who are even worse? A lot of countries have had a mixed economy for YEARS and it hasn't changed, but keep being afraid of the Boogeyman. As a matter of fact, how many more-developed countries with a mixed economy do you know of that switched all the way to communism who had some type of democratic government? I'll wait... If u can name multiple countries in the last 100 years we can talk. If not, you may want to make a different argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 9 hours ago, ctown81 said: Well.. you honestly would rather put things in the hands of corporations who are even worse? A lot of countries have had a mixed economy for YEARS and it hasn't changed, but keep being afraid of the Boogeyman. As a matter of fact, how many more-developed countries with a mixed economy do you know of that switched all the way to communism who had some type of democratic government? I'll wait... If u can name multiple countries in the last 100 years we can talk. If not, you may want to make a different argument. It is a complicated issue and I don't pretend to have all the answers. But I would rather thousands of corporations have more power than a few dirty politicians. Once a congress person is elected, their re-election chances are as high as 98%. It is almost a lifetime appointment unless they do something terribly wrong. These politicians have little incentive to do what is right for their constituents and usually just end up making themselves and their buddies richer and richer...forever. CEO's are held accountable to their shareholders/citizens. If they don't make the company profitable, cause harm to a bunch of employees, or just make the company look bad in general......the CEO is replaced most hastily. There is also competition among corporations. So if one company is run poorly or doesn't keep up with technology they either go out of business or are taken over by a better run corporation. In politics that does not happen. Politicians just get more corrupt and more beholden the longer they are in office. So given the choice, I'd rather corporations (citizens) have more power than the politicians every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 11:27 AM, ctown81 said: That is not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying U.S. interference caused a lot of their issues. Well socialist Canada added 30k new millionaires in 2019. Norway seems to do well in that regard also. https://financialpost.com/executive/executive-summary/posthaste-canadian-millionaires-multiply-in-weirdest-recession-ever Norway isn’t socialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 12:46 PM, EnjoyLife said: The US has the widest gap between the haves and the have nots of any advanced nation. The US is the most opportunist nation. You libs are bragging about 582,000 jobs biden created. The future millionaires of America have to start out somewhere. sad thing is most kids coming out of college think they should make $100k on day1 of new job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 12:46 PM, EnjoyLife said: The US has the widest gap between the haves and the have nots of any advanced nation. So??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: So??? Yep, Tom Brady makes $37 million. Practice squad guy makes $165,000. Big disparity. So??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 On 8/7/2022 at 3:24 PM, DB2point0 said: Norway isn’t socialist Yes it is. Y'all think socialist=communism but it means mixed economy. Communism- zero private ownership. The govt owns 80% of the energy in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Yes it is. Y'all think socialist=communism but it means mixed economy. Communism- zero private ownership. The govt owns 80% of the energy in the country Socialism is the last step to communism....read the Manifesto dumbass..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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