Slickarick Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 According to FMSCA : Maximum Driving Time for Passenger – Carrying Vehicles – § 395.5 No motor carrier of passengers shall permit or require any passenger-carrying CMV driver to drive: More than 10 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty, or For any period after having been on duty 15 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty. No motor carrier of passengers shall permit or require any passenger-carrying CMV driver to drive, regardless of number of motor carriers using the driver’s services, for any period after the driver has been on duty: 60 hours in any 7 consecutive days if the carrier does not operate CMVs every day of the week; or 70 hours in any 8 consecutive days if the carrier operates CMVs every day of the week. On-Duty Time – § 395.2 On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins work or is required to be in readiness for work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibilities for performing work. Performing other compensated work for a person who is not a motor So get to work at 7:00 Monday- Wednesday leave the field house at 6 ( 33 hours) , home game Thursday arrive at 7:00am Leave field house at 10:00(15 hours),Friday away game arrive at 7 am you could drive to the game because most start at 7 but after the game you have more than 60 hours.. so its technically against federals law for any coach to drive back that's been working all week. Wonder how many schools have to risk this to play sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) That eliminates every coach in Texas from driving. Has been normal DOT standards for many years. Edited September 23, 2022 by 89Falcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slickarick Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: That eliminates every coach in Texas from driving. Has been normal DOT standards for many years. What is the penalty for the driver or the employer for going against this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, Slickarick said: What is the penalty for the driver or the employer for going against this? Potentially: Loss of CDL for the driver. Loss of "operating authority" for the MC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Example: Coach reports to school at 07:00 and becomes "on-duty". 15 hrs later at 22:00 (10:00 pm) the coach can not legally operate a commercial (passenger) motor vehicle until the coach has been "off-duty" for 8 consecutive hours. "Off duty" does not mean "not driving". If the coach is at school or in any work function, he is "on-duty". If the 8 hour break is interrupted, the time is considered consecutively "on-duty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Slickarick said: According to FMSCA : Maximum Driving Time for Passenger – Carrying Vehicles – § 395.5 No motor carrier of passengers shall permit or require any passenger-carrying CMV driver to drive: More than 10 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty, or For any period after having been on duty 15 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty. No motor carrier of passengers shall permit or require any passenger-carrying CMV driver to drive, regardless of number of motor carriers using the driver’s services, for any period after the driver has been on duty: 60 hours in any 7 consecutive days if the carrier does not operate CMVs every day of the week; or 70 hours in any 8 consecutive days if the carrier operates CMVs every day of the week. On-Duty Time – § 395.2 On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins work or is required to be in readiness for work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibilities for performing work. Performing other compensated work for a person who is not a motor So get to work at 7:00 Monday- Wednesday leave the field house at 6 ( 33 hours) , home game Thursday arrive at 7:00am Leave field house at 10:00(15 hours),Friday away game arrive at 7 am you could drive to the game because most start at 7 but after the game you have more than 60 hours.. so its technically against federals law for any coach to drive back that's been working all week. Wonder how many schools have to risk this to play sports. If the coach is off for 34 hours consecutively, the 70 HR clock "resets" to zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrclean69 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Potentially: Loss of CDL for the driver. Loss of "operating authority" for the MC. Not to mention potential law suit endangering kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slickarick Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Potentially: Loss of CDL for the driver. Loss of "operating authority" for the MC. wow! that's insane. yet 100's of coaches and school districts do this every Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Slickarick said: wow! that's insane. yet 100's of coaches and school districts do this every Friday. Definitely "playing with fire". DOT has tended to "look away". They typically focus on other types of commercial transportation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blesseddaily Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 There is a big shortage of drivers now, think of how bad it would be if every school went by these guidelines!! A sidenote to anyone nearing retirement...if you want to keep your CDL current you have to get a DOT physical every year, regardless if you drive a bus or not...personal experience!!!! If you don't get the physical, you lose your CDL!! No grace period, no pay a fine, get a physical and get your CDL reinstated...nope...done!! I was gong to help a buddy out that was short handed and pick up some extra cash but nope...oh well, I wasn't really looking forward to doing it again anyway!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, blesseddaily said: There is a big shortage of drivers now, think of how bad it would be if every school went by these guidelines!! A sidenote to anyone nearing retirement...if you want to keep your CDL current you have to get a DOT physical every year, regardless if you drive a bus or not...personal experience!!!! If you don't get the physical, you lose your CDL!! No grace period, no pay a fine, get a physical and get your CDL reinstated...nope...done!! I was gong to help a buddy out that was short handed and pick up some extra cash but nope...oh well, I wasn't really looking forward to doing it again anyway!! The CDL is reinstated when the driver renews the physical within a certain timeframe (60 days). This is because and physicians incorrectly report the physical and the CDLs routinely lapse with the drivers believing that everything was submitted. Edited September 23, 2022 by 89Falcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blesseddaily Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: The CDL is reinstated when the driver renews the physical within a certain timeframe (60 days). This is because and physicians incorrectly report the physical and the CDLs routinely lapse with the drivers believing that everything was submitted. I must have waited to long...it definitely expired and the only way to reinstate it is to start the process all over again...from scratch...which I am definitely not going to do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slickarick Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 They have to do something, bus drivers are becoming less and less common. Killeen is trying to do something about it by having a course where 18 year olds can have their CDL by graduation. Can drive a big rig or Bus or whatever. More places need to look into doing this. The federal program that bus drivers have to do now that 3500-4500 dollars is ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blesseddaily Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Slickarick said: They have to do something, bus drivers are becoming less and less common. Killeen is trying to do something about it by having a course where 18 year olds can have their CDL by graduation. Can drive a big rig or Bus or whatever. More places need to look into doing this. The federal program that bus drivers have to do now that 3500-4500 dollars is ridiculous! Angelina college gets $5500 dollars for course!!!! Which, if I was young and wanted to begin earning a very good salary as quickly as possible that wouldn't be so bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Another virtually unenforceable "law"........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slickarick Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, blesseddaily said: Angelina college gets $5500 dollars for course!!!! Which, if I was young and wanted to begin earning a very good salary as quickly as possible that wouldn't be so bad! Craziness! Tx has yet to separate CDL infractions from class C infractions which they need to do ASAP. At least be able to do defensive driving and deferred adjudication at least once each. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Another virtually unenforceable "law"........ It is not "unenforceable". DOT could easily crackdown on it if they choose. They will when the "right tragedy" happens and it becomes an issue politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, 89Falcon said: It is not "unenforceable". DOT could easily crackdown on it if they choose. They will when the "right tragedy" happens and it becomes an issue politically. They don't have the resources.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: They don't have the resources.... They have the resources. They focus on their targets as they determine where the greatest yield will be. Schools are a part of their same government and they do not want to throw stones at themselves. The first time it becomes politically expedient, a DOT audit will be conducted on a target district and everyone will go into a panic. DOT conducts thousands of audits each year and has spared the "school transportation industry". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, 89Falcon said: They have the resources. They focus on their targets as they determine where the greatest yield will be. Schools are a part of their same government and they do not want to throw stones at themselves. The first time it becomes politically expedient, a DOT audit will be conducted on a target district and everyone will go into a panic. DOT conducts thousands of audits each year and has spared the "school transportation industry". They don't have the resources.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: They don't have the resources.... Sounds like you know your stuff. How many DOT audits have you navigated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Sounds like you know your stuff. How many DOT audits have you navigated? How are they going to know who is in violation???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Sounds like you know your stuff. How many DOT audits have you navigated? None.... they don't have the resources...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: How are they going to know who is in violation???? 1. Accidents 2. Accident w/fatality= DOT audit 100% 3. Moving violations 4. Inspection violations MCs are monitored via service records. As stated above, when the "right tragedy/fatality" happens and it becomes a political issue, the audits will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, 89Falcon said: 1. Accidents 2. Accident w/fatality= DOT audit 100% 3. Moving violations 4. Inspection violations MCs are monitored via service records. As stated above, when the "right tragedy/fatality" happens and it becomes a political issue, the audits will come. 1. Don't happen very often... 2. see above... 3. See above... 4. See above.... Unenforceable..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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