Youngcoach123 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: Your 'solution' was that Gabi Giffords, while at a campaign event, should have blasted away back at someone who killed others and shot her? Am I reading that right? Did I violate any one’s rights in my solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, PepeSilvia said: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm Nice try. @RETIREDFAN1 is still correct in his statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Youngcoach123 said: Did I violate any one’s rights in my solution? You violated reason in that particular case, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BarryLaverty said: You violated reason in that particular case, for sure. Two questions for you (Well, one is a two-parter), Barry. Try not to answer them like you did this one. I'm sure if one of your students did that you'd mark them off. 1. What does "the right of the people" mean to you? 2. Do you think we need the government's permission to exercise rights? Why or why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm We're number 1! We're number 1! I am so proud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: Nice try. @RETIREDFAN1 is still correct in his statement. In recent years, rural counties' proportional gun homicide rates outnumbered those of urban counties Top 20 U.S. counties or county equivalents with the highest gun homicide rate, 2016–2020 Table showing 20 counties with the highest gun homicide rates from 2016 to 2020, with rural counties appearing more frequently in the list. Table with 2 columns and 20 rows. Currently displaying rows 1 to 20. Age-adjusted rate per 100,000 Phillips County, Arkansas 55.45 Lowndes County, Alabama 48.36 City of St. Louis, Missouri 45.36 Macon County, Alabama 44.34 City of Petersburg, Virginia 42.45 Leflore County, Mississippi 38.61 City of Baltimore, Maryland 38.56 Dallas County, Alabama 37.25 Dillon County, South Carolina 35.57 Washington County, Mississippi 34.19 Jefferson County, Arkansas 34.08 Orleans Parish, Louisiana 32.83 Holmes County, Mississippi 32.31 Hinds County, Mississippi 31.68 Adams County, Mississippi 28.26 Mississippi County, Arkansas 27.80 Sunflower County, Mississippi 27.61 Coahoma County, Mississippi 27.19 Vance County, North Carolina 25.85 City of Danville, Virginia 25.75 Note: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines county locations using the Federal Information Processing Standards code set from 1999–2000. This standard set of codes provides names and codes for counties and county equivalents of the 50 states of the United States and the District of Columbia. Counties are considered to be the "first-order subdivisions" of each state, regardless of their local designation (county, parish, borough, census area). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 See the chart below featuring the list of times a gun pulled its own trigger: Source: common sense 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: Two questions for you (Well, one is a two-parter), Barry. Try not to answer them like you did this one. I'm sure if one of your students did that you'd mark them off. 1. What does "the right of the people" mean to you? 2. Do you think we need the government's permission to exercise rights? Why or why not? At the risk of going down a rabbit hole with you, I will say that you should not have an unfettered right that might take away my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And, yes we have a government that placed those rights into place, and we have over the years evolved the laws that evolved from those to fit our times, right, so in effect, we have rights that aren't only innate but also codified by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BarryLaverty said: At the risk of going down a rabbit hole with you, I will say that you should not have an unfettered right that might take away my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And, yes we have a government that placed those rights into place, and we have over the years evolved the laws that evolved from those to fit our times, right, so in effect, we have rights that aren't only innate but also codified by the government. This explains a lot about libs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said: In recent years, rural counties' proportional gun homicide rates outnumbered those of urban counties Top 20 U.S. counties or county equivalents with the highest gun homicide rate, 2016–2020 Table showing 20 counties with the highest gun homicide rates from 2016 to 2020, with rural counties appearing more frequently in the list. Table with 2 columns and 20 rows. Currently displaying rows 1 to 20. Age-adjusted rate per 100,000 Phillips County, Arkansas 55.45 Lowndes County, Alabama 48.36 City of St. Louis, Missouri 45.36 Macon County, Alabama 44.34 City of Petersburg, Virginia 42.45 Leflore County, Mississippi 38.61 City of Baltimore, Maryland 38.56 Dallas County, Alabama 37.25 Dillon County, South Carolina 35.57 Washington County, Mississippi 34.19 Jefferson County, Arkansas 34.08 Orleans Parish, Louisiana 32.83 Holmes County, Mississippi 32.31 Hinds County, Mississippi 31.68 Adams County, Mississippi 28.26 Mississippi County, Arkansas 27.80 Sunflower County, Mississippi 27.61 Coahoma County, Mississippi 27.19 Vance County, North Carolina 25.85 City of Danville, Virginia 25.75 Note: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines county locations using the Federal Information Processing Standards code set from 1999–2000. This standard set of codes provides names and codes for counties and county equivalents of the 50 states of the United States and the District of Columbia. Counties are considered to be the "first-order subdivisions" of each state, regardless of their local designation (county, parish, borough, census area). Wrong again lol. Keep trying to say it’s not the cities causing high gun violence. But you’ll never succeed at that point cause it ain’t so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: Wrong again lol. Keep trying to say it’s not the cities causing high gun violence. But you’ll never succeed at that point cause it ain’t so. First few areas on the list are high percentage minority areas that have failed under dimnut policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: At the risk of going down a rabbit hole with you, I will say that you should not have an unfettered right that might take away my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And, yes we have a government that placed those rights into place, and we have over the years evolved the laws that evolved from those to fit our times, right, so in effect, we have rights that aren't only innate but also codified by the government. That doesn't really answer the question, does it? But what happens when an "innate" or "codified" right begins to get eroded? Are you in favor of regulating free speech? To what extent? How about what can be reported on the news (and how it can be reported)? How about when you're allowed to go to church and how you are to worship? Or a regulation on "petitioning the government for a redress of grievances"? Murder is already illegal, is it not? The means is not really relevant, is it? The words "the people" are mentioned nine times in the Constitution. What do those words mean? "The people" appears in: The Preamble Article 1, Section 2 Amendments 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, and 17. The words "right of the people" appear in: Amendments 1, 2, 4 So I'm asking what "the people" and "the right of the people" means. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say, "If we feel like it." Edited November 16, 2022 by Monte1076 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: Wrong again lol. Keep trying to say it’s not the cities causing high gun violence. But you’ll never succeed at that point cause it ain’t so. Notice none of the counties on that list were in Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: At the risk of going down a rabbit hole with you, I will say that you should not have an unfettered right that might take away my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And, yes we have a government that placed those rights into place, and we have over the years evolved the laws that evolved from those to fit our times, right, so in effect, we have rights that aren't only innate but also codified by the government. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Youngcoach123 said: Wrong again lol. Keep trying to say it’s not the cities causing high gun violence. But you’ll never succeed at that point cause it ain’t so. Just because you declare that it is wrong does not make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, PepeSilvia said: Just because you declare that it is wrong does not make it so. They are democratic cesspools any way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BarryLaverty said: you should not have an unfettered right that might take away my right to life, - every aborted baby Edited November 16, 2022 by trashyhound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiOne Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, trashyhound said: - every aborted baby a baby is just tissue to them. like a mole to be removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, ObiOne said: a baby is just tissue to them. like a mole to be removed While at the same time saying that the baby knows its gender in the womb (yes, some on the left have said this). Sounds like "having it both ways". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, ObiOne said: a baby is just tissue to them. like a mole to be removed "Ban the guns, life is so precious" Apparently not the unborn life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsfanatic1 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, trashyhound said: "Ban the guns, life is so precious" Apparently not the unborn life This is Barry and Pepe to that quote... Edited November 16, 2022 by Sportsfanatic1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ObiOne said: a baby is just tissue to them. like a mole to be removed The cdc study calls suicide gun violence. It’s skewed numbers. We all know where the majority of gun violence happens. To act like citing something means it’s not is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Youngcoach123 said: The cdc study calls suicide gun violence. It’s skewed numbers. We all know where the majority of gun violence happens. To act like citing something means it’s not is silly. They probably classify self defense shootings as gun violence........the NRA data is the only accurate data...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: They probably classify self defense shootings as gun violence........the NRA data is the only accurate data...... Over 2 million defensive uses of a firearm yearly. 11k killed by guns. They want to make the 2 million victims with the 11k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Youngcoach123 said: Over 2 million defensive uses of a firearm yearly. 11k killed by guns. They want to make the 2 million victims with the 11k. That's just nonsense. There are zero valid stats to come close to that number. Compare it to your self reporting Covid site. Edited November 17, 2022 by BarryLaverty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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