Carthage vs Gilmer Carthage 28 Gilmer 7 Final

[mightyeagle]

I have no dog in this fight,but both teams are real good and realisticly they are the #1 and #2

but one of you have to lose. Gilmer feels as if they were cheated,Carthage feels they just had a bad

day. Lol guys the games over now lets follow carthage and get another east Tx trophy. 

[MoveTheChain]

1 hour ago, mightyeagle said:

I have no dog in this fight,but both teams are real good and realisticly they are the #1 and #2

but one of you have to lose. Gilmer feels as if they were cheated,Carthage feels they just had a bad

day. Lol guys the games over now lets follow carthage and get another east Tx trophy. 

Yes, I feel like the calls/non-calls/bad-calls were even for both teams.  That interception/non-interception, would not have been a difference maker.  What could have been a difference maker and swung the momentum over to Gilmer, was the long fade to the home sideline that Carthage intercepted.  That has been a Buckeye bread-and- butter play all year.  You couild tell the Dawgs had practiced defending against that play a lot.  The safety came over in perfect position for the interception.  To me, that was THE play that could have put more pressure on Carthage, had they not intercepted it.  In the end, both teams showed why they were ranked #1 and #2.  Good game and I look forward to Carthage finishing out with a perfect season and another championship.

[mikehoncho]

13 minutes ago, MoveTheChain said:

Yes, I feel like the calls/non-calls/bad-calls were even for both teams.  That interception/non-interception, would not have been a difference maker.  What could have been a difference maker and swung the momentum over to Gilmer, was the long fade to the home sideline that Carthage intercepted.  That has been a Buckeye bread-and- butter play all year.  You couild tell the Dawgs had practiced defending against that play a lot.  The safety came over in perfect position for the interception.  To me, that was THE play that could have put more pressure on Carthage, had they not intercepted it.  In the end, both teams showed why they were ranked #1 and #2.  Good game and I look forward to Carthage finishing out with a perfect season and another championship.

I agree. Gilmer was definitely deserving and lived up to their ranking. I’m hoping that means Carthage runs the table and gets #9

[DieHardCubFan]

On 11/25/2022 at 9:33 PM, cotton84 said:

The ref on the line of scrimmage on Carthage’s side gave Gilmer a full yard on several occasions - made a difference on Gilmer getting a first down on 4th down once…….but they are high school officials for a reason.  

At least they have the cojones to put on the stripes and get out on the field!  Easy to make the call from the cheap seats.

And how do you know many of them haven't called or don't still call college football?

[cowboyandchrist]

5 hours ago, MoveTheChain said:

Yes, I feel like the calls/non-calls/bad-calls were even for both teams.  That interception/non-interception, would not have been a difference maker.  What could have been a difference maker and swung the momentum over to Gilmer, was the long fade to the home sideline that Carthage intercepted.  That has been a Buckeye bread-and- butter play all year.  You couild tell the Dawgs had practiced defending against that play a lot.  The safety came over in perfect position for the interception.  To me, that was THE play that could have put more pressure on Carthage, had they not intercepted it.  In the end, both teams showed why they were ranked #1 and #2.  Good game and I look forward to Carthage finishing out with a perfect season and another championship.

I have watched a lot of Gilmer over the years but this was the best Defense that I have watched from Gilmer. They tackled well and that D lineman was as good as it gets. Hope he gets offers. 
It was a great game and Gilmer played the Dawgs better than any one has all year. 

[Liberty]

2 hours ago, DieHardCubFan said:

At least they have the cojones to put on the stripes and get out on the field!  Easy to make the call from the cheap seats.

And how do you know many of them haven't called or don't still call college football?

Many of them call college; anywhere from Juco to Div 2 and 3.  A few in Div 1.

All officiating chapters all over the United States are hurting for officials.  East Texas chapter and Tyler chapters are hiring now!  Get out of the bleachers and get you some of it.  I promise you that your first game will give you an eye opening experience. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Liberty

[DAWG91]

13 hours ago, bansheefan03 said:

Well just want to say to all the guys that say that gilmer did intercept the ball please somehow gain access to bally sports to watch the replay u can clearly see ball fall out as he hit the ground and completely looses it once back hits the ground

The Gilmer broadcast is on youtube.  I too saw the ball come out as the defender hit the ground when watching full replay of the play.  I'm not sure what rules apply here.  Does defender need to maintain possession all the way to the ground or does the ground can't cause a fumble rule apply?  I don't know.  I've also one last question,  why was Gilmer allowed to stream the game but Carthage wasn't?

Edited November 28, 2022 by DAWG91

[cotton84]

17 minutes ago, DAWG91 said:

The Gilmer broadcast is on youtube.  I too saw the ball come out as the defender hit the ground when watching full replay of the play.  I'm not sure what rules apply here.  Does defender need to maintain possession all the way to the ground or does the ground can't cause a fumble rule apply?  I don't know.  I've also one last question,  why was Gilmer allowed to stream the game but Carthage wasn't?

In this instance, he did not take 2 steps/football move, so he would have to maintain possession thru the ground.  
Stream - read on here is it was done by students with no commercials, the UIL allowed it….but they had commercials. 

[DAWG91]

6 minutes ago, cotton84 said:

In this instance, he did not take 2 steps/football move, so he would have to maintain possession thru the ground.  
Stream - read on here is it was done by students with no commercials, the UIL allowed it….but they had commercials. 

Gotcha.  Thanks.  So those,  including myself,  who said it was a pick, were wrong.  I sort of enjoyed the Gilmer broadcast.  Had several good laughs throughout.

[PantherNation2015]

8 hours ago, cotton84 said:

In this instance, he did not take 2 steps/football move, so he would have to maintain possession thru the ground.  
Stream - read on here is it was done by students with no commercials, the UIL allowed it….but they had commercials. 

Not sure about students, but they are certainly juveniles.

[CasualObserver70]

Last post from me on this before moving on to Carthage / Pleasant Grove.

I stated before the game Gilmer could win if 3 things happened:

1)  Gilmer defense played lights out, with the D line in Carthage backfield often.  This happened.  #56, Ward, may be the best Gilmer defensive lineman in the last 20 years.  Incredibly quick to be as big as he is.  Gilmer D played great.

2)  Gilmer offensive line would have to play their best game of the year.  Again, this happened.  I don't remember any holding penalties, and the O line played great.  Ashton Haynes actually averaged 5 yards a carry.  The Gilmer O line did not by any stretch of the imagination dominate the line of scrimmage, but they did enough to keep it close and to keep from the constant 3 and outs that the Carthage Defense so often produces.  

3)  This would give opportunity for the Gilmer athletes to make some big plays.  This didn't occur.  There was only the one big play:  the TD to Tate.  The Carthage defense was so disciplined, so well coached, and so athletic, that plays against other teams which would have busted for big plays got shut down.  Yes, Rohan slightly underthrew Tate on two passes in the 2nd quarter, but it wouldn't have mattered against most other teams:  their CBs would have been so burnt there would not have been a chance to recover.  But against Carthage, it was  a different story.  And that was the biggest takeaway from this game for me.  The Carthage offense is good, but the defense is the best I've seen in 4A this year.  You have to be almost perfect to beat them.  

Hard to be disappointed with the play of the Buckeyes.  They didn't give up, they played above their heads, and they were competitive for 3 1/2 quarters.  I mean, Gilmer had the football with a chance to tie the game in the 4th quarter.  But it's just so hard to be a team with the talent and coaching Carthage has.  

Now, Please Carthage, go win state.  I would love to comfort myself knowing Gilmer gave Carthage a better run for their money than any other team in 4A.

[blackflag79]

On 11/28/2022 at 10:16 AM, CasualObserver70 said:

Last post from me on this before moving on to Carthage / Pleasant Grove.

I stated before the game Gilmer could win if 3 things happened:

1)  Gilmer defense played lights out, with the D line in Carthage backfield often.  This happened.  #56, Ward, may be the best Gilmer defensive lineman in the last 20 years.  Incredibly quick to be as big as he is.  Gilmer D played great.

2)  Gilmer offensive line would have to play their best game of the year.  Again, this happened.  I don't remember any holding penalties, and the O line played great.  Ashton Haynes actually averaged 5 yards a carry.  The Gilmer O line did not by any stretch of the imagination dominate the line of scrimmage, but they did enough to keep it close and to keep from the constant 3 and outs that the Carthage Defense so often produces.  

3)  This would give opportunity for the Gilmer athletes to make some big plays.  This didn't occur.  There was only the one big play:  the TD to Tate.  The Carthage defense was so disciplined, so well coached, and so athletic, that plays against other teams which would have busted for big plays got shut down.  Yes, Rohan slightly underthrew Tate on two passes in the 2nd quarter, but it wouldn't have mattered against most other teams:  their CBs would have been so burnt there would not have been a chance to recover.  But against Carthage, it was  a different story.  And that was the biggest takeaway from this game for me.  The Carthage offense is good, but the defense is the best I've seen in 4A this year.  You have to be almost perfect to beat them.  

Hard to be disappointed with the play of the Buckeyes.  They didn't give up, they played above their heads, and they were competitive for 3 1/2 quarters.  I mean, Gilmer had the football with a chance to tie the game in the 4th quarter.  But it's just so hard to be a team with the talent and coaching Carthage has.  

Now, Please Carthage, go win state.  I would love to comfort myself knowing Gilmer gave Carthage a better run for their money than any other team in 4A.

This.  The only thing I have to add are the "what ifs", but those don't matter.  You play with what you have, and Carthage was the better team.  Either way, I am proud of the way our Buckeyes played, especially the defense.  Now..., I'm rooting for the Dawgs to go get number 9, and bring it back to East Texas where it belongs.  Sic 'em!

Edited November 29, 2022 by blackflag79