Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/greater-idaho-movement-to-absorb-conservative-rural-counties-from-liberal-oregon-gains-momentum/ar-AA180OZI?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=44b8ce069f61446c924d6cc638396a21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 This is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: This is the way. I'm still not sure it'll go anywhere. I could see Idaho's legislature voting for it, but I really don't see Oregon's. Portland, and the Portland area, have too much influence in the Oregon legislature. Both legislatures would need to OK it. Oregon would lose House seats that Idaho would likely gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: I'm still not sure it'll go anywhere. I could see Idaho's legislature voting for it, but I really don't see Oregon's. Portland, and the Portland area, have too much influence in the Oregon legislature. Both legislatures would need to OK it. Oregon would lose House seats that Idaho would likely gain. Yea it’s dumb to need the approval of the captures. Plus the Congress has to approve, that won’t happen. The only hope of getting out of trash blue states is to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Free men don't ask for permission....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Free men don't ask for permission....... Which makes me wonder what would happen if all of these counties just decided on their own that they're now part of Idaho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: Which makes me wonder what would happen if all of these counties just decided on their own that they're now part of Idaho. Would the state occupy them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Monte1076 said: Which makes me wonder what would happen if all of these counties just decided on their own that they're now part of Idaho. 2 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: Would the state occupy them? I'd love to see it play out...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: I'd love to see it play out...... I know Constitutionally that a state cannot form within another state (i.e. Dallas, Tarrant, Denton, Collin, Ellis, and Johnson counties couldn't form their own state), but what would happen, out of curiosity, if the Texas Legislature simply voted that Texas was again the Republic of Texas? What do you think the U.S. could/would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: I know Constitutionally that a state cannot form within another state (i.e. Dallas, Tarrant, Denton, Collin, Ellis, and Johnson counties couldn't form their own state), but what would happen, out of curiosity, if the Texas Legislature simply voted that Texas was again the Republic of Texas? What do you think the U.S. could/would do? WHERE in The Constitution does it say any of that at all??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: WHERE in The Constitution does it say any of that at all??? Article 4, Section 3. https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A4Sec3.html Quote New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. in bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: Article 4, Section 3. https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A4Sec3.html in bold. Not relevant in this case .....they ain't trying to form a new state ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Not relevant in this case .....they ain't trying to form a new state ..... True, but the other part may be relevant: Quote nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. Although I think that might be more relevant to that "state of Jefferson" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, Monte1076 said: True, but the other part may be relevant: Although I think that might be more relevant to that "state of Jefferson" thing. Still not relevant for the same reason......no new state is being formed...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Still not relevant for the same reason......no new state is being formed...... True. They're just wanting to join another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Monte1076 said: True. They're just wanting to join another state. So not covered in The Constitution...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: So not covered in The Constitution...... So how would that work, though? These counties just all take a vote and say "We're part of Idaho now"? I'd think that would complicate not only the state, but the Federal legislatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Monte1076 said: So how would that work, though? These counties just all take a vote and say "We're part of Idaho now"? I'd think that would complicate not only the state, but the Federal legislatures. Up to them......free me don't ask permission..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: Up to them......free me don't ask permission..... So why are they going through all this hoop-jumping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: So why are they going through all this hoop-jumping? Because they think government is necessary........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I’d love to see it, especially if the elector votes increase for Idaho, and decrease for Oregon, due to the population transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 9 hours ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: I’d love to see it, especially if the elector votes increase for Idaho, and decrease for Oregon, due to the population transfer. The most it would likely change by, I think, would be one electoral vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 23 hours ago, Monte1076 said: I'm still not sure it'll go anywhere. I could see Idaho's legislature voting for it, but I really don't see Oregon's. Portland, and the Portland area, have too much influence in the Oregon legislature. Both legislatures would need to OK it. Oregon would lose House seats that Idaho would likely gain. The statement on house seats is the reason Oregon will oppose it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: The most it would likely change by, I think, would be one electoral vote. It would be a two vote swing though. Oregon -1 and Idaho +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: The statement on house seats is the reason Oregon will oppose it And even so, I think Congress would still have to vote for it, too. But I think @RETIREDFAN1 has a point. They're not forming a "new state", they're simply joining an existing state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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