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1 minute ago, BarryLaverty said:

I know what that means. His statement doesn't make sense. I pointed out that churches alone can't keep up with the demand from hungry people, and that is somehow a weak statement of some kind? 

I was hoping you'd ask about where TobinFrost came from as a substitute.....lol

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1 minute ago, BarryLaverty said:

I know what that means. His statement doesn't make sense. I pointed out that churches alone can't keep up with the demand from hungry people, and that is somehow a weak statement of some kind? 

I'll spell it out.  People were much better off as a whole before the government became so "helpful".

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1 minute ago, ObiOne said:

I'll spell it out.  People were much better off as a whole before the government became so "helpful".

I'll spell it out. Until the introduction of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP, many, many, many more people died younger or suffered from hunger in our country, despite whatever charities or churches were out there. That's just facts. 

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Just now, RETIREDFAN1 said:

TobinFrost was once a member of this site who now serves a life sentence in SDC Prison.....the term his name replaces is a very accurate description of him.......lol.....

Sounds like a cool dude lol

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4 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

I'll spell it out. Until the introduction of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP, many, many, many more people died younger or suffered from hunger in our country, despite whatever charities or churches were out there. That's just facts. 

So then let's just tax everyone (and I mean everyone) at 100%...that'll fix all our problems...right? Just confiscate everyone's wealth, and let the government dole all the money out as they see fit. That will fix everything...right??

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3 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

I'll spell it out. Until the introduction of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP, many, many, many more people died younger or suffered from hunger in our country, despite whatever charities or churches were out there. That's just facts. 

Brainwashed commie gobbly goop.  My grandparents grew up poor.  Picking cotton, migrant farm work, etc...  Times were tough but they did what they needed to to feed the family.  Govt handouts that take away man's incentive to work, live, and survive are not the answer. 

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22 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

So then let's just tax everyone (and I mean everyone) at 100%...that'll fix all our problems...right? Just confiscate everyone's wealth, and let the government dole all the money out as they see fit. That will fix everything...right??

Who said all that???? Slow your roll, maybe and unbunch 'em. I am pointing out the truth that with government assistance more people have gotten medical care, fewer people have gone hungry, and overall poverty has been dealt with much more forcefully with government intervention and support. 

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22 minutes ago, ObiOne said:

Brainwashed commie gobbly goop.  My grandparents grew up poor.  Picking cotton, migrant farm work, etc...  Times were tough but they did what they needed to to feed the family.  Govt handouts that take away man's incentive to work, live, and survive are not the answer. 

You don't have the corner of that market. Both sets of my grandparents were tenant farmers, ran cattle, and worked for Santa Fe Railroad to make ends meet. My mom was born at home, and was warmed for a short time in an oven to keep warm until the doctor could arrive is the legendary story told. Poverty kills people earlier, stunts their mental growth, and causes physical and mental ailments at a much higher rate. The government working to mitigate suffering, as is done ALL OVER THE WORLD IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, is not something to disparage and sneer at, because those who came before us, suffered. My grandmother always said the best day of her life was the first time she turned on the first AC she had, when she was about 25, and it was a swamp cooler. 

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8 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

You don't have the corner of that market. Both sets of my grandparents were tenant farmers, ran cattle, and worked for Santa Fe Railroad to make ends meet. My mom was born at home, and was warmed for a short time in an oven to keep warm until the doctor could arrive is the legendary story told. Poverty kills people earlier, stunts their mental growth, and causes physical and mental ailments at a much higher rate. The government working to mitigate suffering, as is done ALL OVER THE WORLD IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, is not something to disparage and sneer at, because those who came before us, suffered. My grandmother always said the best day of her life was the first time she turned on the first AC she had, when she was about 25, and it was a swamp cooler. 

Didn't say I did.  I'm betting your grandparents were fine people.  Just pointing out that giving people anything isn't the answer.  People need an incentive to earn a life, living, pride, etc...

Govt bureaucracy is inefficient at everything.  Especially giving away other peoples money. 

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33 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

Who said all that???? Slow your roll, maybe and unbunch 'em. I am pointing out the truth that with government assistance more people have gotten medical care, fewer people have gone hungry, and overall poverty has been dealt with much more forcefully with government intervention and support. 

And if the government took 100% of everyone's wealth, and doled it out as THEY saw fit, don't you think that would solve the medical and hunger problems? I mean, Reuters reported that as of 4Q 2022, the U.S. had approximately $147.7 TRILLION in household net worth.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-household-wealth-rebounded-1477-trillion-4th-quarter-2023-03-09/

Assuming a U.S. Population of 340 million, that's $434,411.76 per person. That's before you subtract the several trillion for the national debt and the budget itself, but still.

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1 hour ago, RETIREDFAN1 said:

TobinFrost was once a member of this site who now serves a life sentence in SDC Prison.....the term his name replaces is a very accurate description of him.......lol.....

I had been wondering where that came from...but I was scared to ask lol.

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9 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said:

I had been wondering where that came from...but I was scared to ask lol.

And spelling it with Z's or an "at" sign, or dollar signs for S's, would probably violate the censor bypass rules...

But how about Morse code??

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1 hour ago, BarryLaverty said:

I'll spell it out. Until the introduction of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP, many, many, many more people died younger or suffered from hunger in our country, despite whatever charities or churches were out there. That's just facts. 

The creation of the federal minimum wage, the rise of unions, and The Fair Labor Standards Act (Thank you, FDR) also helped lift millions of people out of poverty. 

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28 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said:

The creation of the federal minimum wage, the rise of unions, and The Fair Labor Standards Act (Thank you, FDR) also helped lift millions of people out of poverty. 

No it did not.....World War brought about economic recovery and renewed prosperity, not the socialist measures of the Roosevelt administration........

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2 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

I know what that means. His statement doesn't make sense. I pointed out that churches alone can't keep up with the demand from hungry people, and that is somehow a weak statement of some kind? 

Could if people could donate more money that they are instead paying to the government.  Also, government programs have increased the number of people in need by design.  People who otherwise would get out and make a living instead don't take jobs because "it would hurt my government benefits."

2 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

I'll spell it out. Until the introduction of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP, many, many, many more people died younger or suffered from hunger in our country, despite whatever charities or churches were out there. That's just facts. 

So you are attributing the increase in life expectancy in the US solely to government programs?  Laughable.

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2 hours ago, EnjoyLife said:

The creation of the federal minimum wage, the rise of unions, and The Fair Labor Standards Act (Thank you, FDR) also helped lift millions of people out of poverty. 

Please explain how the minimum wage helped millions out of poverty.  How does raising a wage from $2 to $4 lift one out of poverty?  

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