ZERO students at 13 Baltimore high schools test proficient in state math exams

[Monte1076]

https://notthebee.com/article/zero-students-at-13-baltimore-high-schools-test-proficient-in-state-math-exams

[BarryLaverty]

They should all homeschool. They would greatly improve then. 

[Monte1076]

1 hour ago, BarryLaverty said:

They should all homeschool. They would greatly improve then. 

They might. But if ZERO students at those schools aren't performing at the state proficiency, that's obviously a problem. Is it not? Somebody (or more than one somebody) dropped the ball somewhere, or doesn't care.

[BarryLaverty]

12 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

They might. But if ZERO students at those schools aren't performing at the state proficiency, that's obviously a problem. Is it not? Somebody (or more than one somebody) dropped the ball somewhere, or doesn't care.

Agreed. Although I am not a fan of state tests as a rule, but I do work at a district where we have consistently an A rating tied to testing. It's not always the best measure of success. 

Edited September 22 by BarryLaverty

[Monte1076]

13 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

Agreed. Although I am not a fan of state tests as a rule, but I do work at a district where we have consistently an A rating tied to testing. It's not always the best measure of success. 

So what should the solution be in the case of these Baltimore schools? Better administrators? Better teachers? What's your take?

And I've never understood "State Testing". I don't know if schools here still do it, but when I was in school I distinctly remember taking the "California Achievement Test", and I always wondered why, because we're in Texas.

The SAT I get, but state testing, I don't. I know there's a lot of "Well, teachers just teach to the test." I don't buy that in all cases. I think if a teacher does well enough, no "teaching to the test" is necessary, because the kids will already have the knowledge and skills that they need to do well on the state tests.

Edited September 22 by Monte1076

[DB2point0]

36 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

They might. But if ZERO students at those schools aren't performing at the state proficiency, that's obviously a problem. Is it not? Somebody (or more than one somebody) dropped the ball somewhere, or doesn't care.

Liberal city

[BarryLaverty]

50 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

So what should the solution be in the case of these Baltimore schools? Better administrators? Better teachers? What's your take?

And I've never understood "State Testing". I don't know if schools here still do it, but when I was in school I distinctly remember taking the "California Achievement Test", and I always wondered why, because we're in Texas.

The SAT I get, but state testing, I don't. I know there's a lot of "Well, teachers just teach to the test." I don't buy that in all cases. I think if a teacher does well enough, no "teaching to the test" is necessary, because the kids will already have the knowledge and skills that they need to do well on the state tests.

From what I can tell, there is a 20% poverty rate in Baltimore and a long history of violence and trauma among the student body, and it feels like Baltimore is the punching bag of the right, much like Chicago is regarding guns. Does all that rationalize or justify no one in 23 schools knowing math? There's a hard one to figure out by pointing out one thing, but I would say that if a neighborhood isn't safe, there is probably going to be a correlation into how succesful students are going to be in schools. 

[Monte1076]

1 minute ago, BarryLaverty said:

From what I can tell, there is a 20% poverty rate in Baltimore and a long history of violence and trauma among the student body

That leads to another question: Why?

[ctown81]

1 hour ago, Monte1076 said:

So what should the solution be in the case of these Baltimore schools? Better administrators? Better teachers? What's your take?

And I've never understood "State Testing". I don't know if schools here still do it, but when I was in school I distinctly remember taking the "California Achievement Test", and I always wondered why, because we're in Texas.

The SAT I get, but state testing, I don't. I know there's a lot of "Well, teachers just teach to the test." I don't buy that in all cases. I think if a teacher does well enough, no "teaching to the test" is necessary, because the kids will already have the knowledge and skills that they need to do well on the state tests.

i worked at a school like this in DISD. The school went from being 32 out of 33 to number 3. It's a long story but I'll keep it VERY short. in short, they offered a lot of money to get the best teachers. 12k stipend to be exact. It definitely worked and jump started the school to success, even after we left.

[BarryLaverty]

3 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

That leads to another question: Why?

Don't know much about the why...didn't watch The Wire. 

[DAWG91]

On 9/22/2023 at 2:09 PM, BarryLaverty said:

Agreed. Although I am not a fan of state tests as a rule, but I do work at a district where we have consistently an A rating tied to testing. It's not always the best measure of success. 

What district might that be?

[Olduy]

On 9/22/2023 at 3:28 PM, BarryLaverty said:

From what I can tell, there is a 20% poverty rate in Baltimore and a long history of violence and trauma among the student body, and it feels like Baltimore is the punching bag of the right, much like Chicago is regarding guns. Does all that rationalize or justify no one in 23 schools knowing math? There's a hard one to figure out by pointing out one thing, but I would say that if a neighborhood isn't safe, there is probably going to be a correlation into how succesful students are going to be in schools. 

Well it has been Democrat controlled since before the Civil War, so whose fault is the poverty, violence, etc?

[DAWG91]

2 hours ago, Olduy said:

Well it has been Democrat controlled since before the Civil War, so whose fault is the poverty, violence, etc?

Racisr white repubs obviously.  Duh!

[BarryLaverty]

4 hours ago, DAWG91 said:

What district might that be?

Noneya. 

[BarryLaverty]

3 hours ago, Olduy said:

Well it has been Democrat controlled since before the Civil War, so whose fault is the poverty, violence, etc?

Question was asked on why the students aren't performing, and I answered that. I don't know why the city is the way it is. Sure 'conservatives' have the answer. 

[DAWG91]

27 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

Noneya. 

I don't blame ya.  Were my politics as wack-a-doodle as yours I'd be ashamed too!

[Doomer]

On 9/22/2023 at 2:34 PM, DB2point0 said:

Liberal city

Yep. Bet they have plenty of advice for the rest of the country too.

Edited September 24 by Doomer